1 minute ago, headache62 said:

Finn and Rose’s mission could be cut and not change the movie at all.

Mixed feelings on that. It seems they want Rose to be a character of note in the story, and I'm fine with that - I really liked her. And whether that is to pay off in the next movie or not, who knows - but even in this one, the connection Finn felt for her at the end would feel...kinda hollow without that side mission.

I mean, just talking about that over in another thread RE: Anakin and Padme's completely unbelievable courtship, owing to a bunch of cut scenes with her family and at her home that developed it. Same deal, here. Would this movie have been better without the Finn and Rose side mission? Maybe. But only if those characters having a believable relationship isn't important in the next movie....

1 minute ago, headache62 said:

Although, when did Luke put the Jedi books into the Falcon?

Possibly when he was walking around in it earlier? Or Rey might have just taken them before she left (Luke didn't seem to make it quite all the way back to the books before the tree exploded, so may not have realized they were gone).

(I mean, first off, I'm not sure I saw what I thought I saw - those DID look like the books, to me - but you're seeing that, too, makes me think maybe I wasn't crazy)

They are definitely setting up Finn and Rose while establishing Fin and Rey as more of a sibling relationship.

14 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

2) If all this takes place within a day or two (or less) of the end of TFA then why the heck is C-3P0's arm gold again?

3PO's arm is already back to gold in the final scene of TFA, as he waves goodbye to the Falcon.

1 hour ago, Bivicius said:

@Arttemis

any idee why an astronaut uses a space suit ?

It minus 257 degrees Celsius out there . An no pressure .

And she gets forcefully blown out the cruiser by 2 direct missie hits . Not even a trained Jedi would survive that . Would indeed been better If kylo just blasted her to smittereens.

Biv

Yea, I just can't get behind how fake the new series is.

I mean, did you see when they moved stuff with their minds! So fake...

And ships flying like planes in space? Ships and guns making noise in space? Come on!!! So fake...

And laser swords... I mean really? So fake...

They really needed a physicist on the payroll to make it more real. So fake...

2 minutes ago, Gadgetron said:

And laser swords... I mean really? So fake...

Heh. And they actually called them 'laser swords' in the movie. Hehe.

Just got out, havent checked the forums in 3 hrs, how the **** did no one mention she stole the books

Just now, dominosfleet said:

Just got out, havent checked the forums in 3 hrs, how the **** did no one mention she stole the books

To be honest, in my post-midnight haze, I kinda thought I'd imagined that scene. Haha.

6 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

Just got out, havent checked the forums in 3 hrs, how the **** did no one mention she stole the books

Well, I mean...couple posts back a couple of us were trying to figure out if we'd imagined that or not.

But...yeah, sure looks like Rey stole the books when she left. (I mean, Yoda did say...actually, wait, what did he say? I thought it was something like 'there is nothing in those books she doesn't already know' but could it have been worded differently, such that it already implied Yoda knew she had them?)

6 hours ago, ManInTheBox said:

Just came out of the cinema and didn't spot any force used in the last scene. It looked to me like he just turned the broom, that he was already holding, around to wield it like a saber.

Did anyone see it who was actually looking out for that and can confirm either way? @Dr alex , are you 100% that was the force?

As others have noted he walks through a door, pulls the brush from about 6” away to his hand without touching it and then as the best bit just starts sweeping normally. It’s so very normal which is what makes it so great.

didnt spot the books in the Falcon but my friend did now I’ve mentioned it to him

Just got out. It was certainly a ride!

It's long, but my criticisms of the movie were not enough to torpedo my enjoyment of the film. I thought the Raddus pursuit was a little drawn out, and Snoke was basically explained to us as a darkside user channeling Palpatine pretty hard, but overall it was a thrill of a ride to watch.

I figured Rey stole the books. I actually had to ask my fiancee and another one of my friends to confirm that I actually saw what I saw. I'll be seeing it again, I'll watch for it.

I don't think Phasma's gone for good. She'll "be back, and in greater numbers"

Lots of really touching moments here. I cried when R2 played the original hologram message for Luke... a great callback to the original.

Though... on the matter of themes, they really touched on the Legends aspect of all of this. Rey walks into Snoke's throne room expecting to re-play Return of the Jedi . She's confident, expecting Ben want to turn, that she takes matters into her own hands since Luke won't grab his own saber to assist the Rebellion. And again, the bit of the end with the kids role-playing the story we just saw... and the kid grabbing the broom like a lightsaber... interesting remarks on the aspect of Star Wars being legends and tales told and shared.

21 minutes ago, Gadgetron said:

Yea, I just can't get behind how fake the new series is.

I mean, did you see when they moved stuff with their minds! So fake...

And ships flying like planes in space? Ships and guns making noise in space? Come on!!! So fake...

And laser swords... I mean really? So fake...

They really needed a physicist on the payroll to make it more real. So fake...

I so **** agree with you!

People complains about Leia surviving in space (daughter of Anakin Skywalker, quite a powerful Force user), but yeah, nothing about the fact that we see fire in space, hear explosions and engines in space, that people are fighting using light (guns or swords), etc. Beside that, I'm ok with the fact that the scene should have been done in another way maybe. But she survived in space thanks to the Force, so what?

I love to watch these movies like I watched the trilogy for the first time: with child's eyes. Don't take it too seriously in terms of logics. Remember that some people understands when droids or wookies talk in these movies

7 minutes ago, Norsehound said:

I thought the Raddus pursuit was a little drawn out

Well, yeah, as noted, though - set up your 3' x 6' Armada table, all Rebel ships on one mat facing away from the Empire forces set up within range 5 of the far edge of the other mat. Now let the mats 'float' (IE., when the fleets move off of the far mat, take it off the table and slide the other mat over to its place, and move the empty mat to where the occupied mat was). How soon will the Empire catch the Rebels?

I mean, even as noted in this thread - "couldn't the First Order have just sent their fighters ahead to attack"? Well, sure, you've got the scenario just outlined above. Squadrons are going to be WAY out of the range of the ships, so you're talking about moving or firing, every other turn, in the squadron phase...again, how does this look?

It's interesting how well Armada kind of reflects how that fight would go.

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I cried when R2 played the original hologram message for Luke... a great callback to the original.

Oh, yeah, that was...misty-eyed stuff, there. Dirty trick, R2, indeed.

15 minutes ago, Norsehound said:

Lots of really touching moments here. I cried when R2 played the original hologram message for Luke... a great callback to the original.

Ninja cutting onion scene for sure. As well as Yoda's appearance and, for me, Luke's death...

17 minutes ago, Norsehound said:

And again, the bit of the end with the kids role-playing the story we just saw... and the kid grabbing the broom like a lightsaber... interesting remarks on the aspect of Star Wars being legends and tales told and shared.

Random thoughts on that bit...

The thing that was most jarring to me was an expectation of something they had to do...but didn't. And I could have sworn I'd read they had done reshoots to do it? IE., addressing Carrie Fisher's death. I ended up waiting throughout the movie for some kind of resolution for that character's arc, but then...nothing.

That last scene with the kids 'telling stories', though...I wonder. Especially chatting with the wife after this one, she commented how much cleaner an ending this movie had vs VII. 'Seemed to close out enough things that it doesn't feel like as much of a cliffhanger, that it's easier to wait a few more years for a new movie'

So I wonder. Maybe the solution is to do another large jump ahead? IE., Episode IX set, maybe 10 years after VIII? In that case, Leia being dead 'between movies' wouldn't even be unexpected or commented on. The nascent neoRebellion would have time to organize and grow, and Kylo would have an opportunity to mature a bit into his new role as Supreme Leader. Those all seem like good developments.

13 minutes ago, xanderf said:

Random thoughts on that bit...

The thing that was most jarring to me was an expectation of something they had to do...but didn't. And I could have sworn I'd read they had done reshoots to do it? IE., addressing Carrie Fisher's death. I ended up waiting throughout the movie for some kind of resolution for that character's arc, but then...nothing.

That last scene with the kids 'telling stories', though...I wonder. Especially chatting with the wife after this one, she commented how much cleaner an ending this movie had vs VII. 'Seemed to close out enough things that it doesn't feel like as much of a cliffhanger, that it's easier to wait a few more years for a new movie'

So I wonder. Maybe the solution is to do another large jump ahead? IE., Episode IX set, maybe 10 years after VIII? In that case, Leia being dead 'between movies' wouldn't even be unexpected or commented on. The nascent neoRebellion would have time to organize and grow, and Kylo would have an opportunity to mature a bit into his new role as Supreme Leader. Those all seem like good developments.

Which is kinda why I think this ended Star Wars for me... In a good note, don't get me wrong. I've been following the Skywalker saga from the beginning. I felt for Luke, Han and Leia, and through them, I felt for Anakin, Padme and Obi-Wan. But I needed more closure. What happened with the Empire after Palpatine's death? And the Jedi? And the Galaxy as a whole?

I got all those questions answered. Luke dies saving his sister, having passed the bases of the Jedi to the next generation. Palpatine's Empire survives him and finds a new generation to rule with and over. The Sith are gone, the Knights of Ren will arise (I assume). There's a new rebellion to a new empire. And legends. And hope for a better future in a galaxy in continuous turmoil.

This movie closed Star Wars for me. It told me "The galaxy keeps going after the Skywalkers are gone".

I somehow find myself not in need of an episode IX. Star Wars could end here, like this, waving goodbye to all those characters I loved, to all of them passing the torch to a new generation... and I would be fine with it.

1 minute ago, BillHimclaw said:

This movie closed Star Wars for me. It told me "The galaxy keeps going after the Skywalkers are gone".

I somehow find myself not in need of an episode IX. Star Wars could end here, like this, waving goodbye to all those characters I loved, to all of them passing the torch to a new generation... and I would be fine with it.

I think that last bit is why this does feel like it help open up the option for a longer gap to the next movie.

Still, the Skywalkers aren't quite all gone. There is still Ben/Kylo. Given this premise, it would mean that IX sees him dead and that's the proper 'end of the saga' and the launch of a new generation.

Saw it yesterday. We discussed nearly an hour after wards in person and another hour on WhatsApp.

What I think:

What was bad:

• First 10 Minutes of the movie.
• The Crawl is just the worst movie opening ever: Fingersnap, now the first order has the upper hand and controlls the galaxy.... How did they win a war so decisive, that the term "Republic" is not even mentioned in the whole movie . So it seems the Republic not only had enmassed their WHOLE Fleet on their seat of goverment. No fleets are still around in the vast galaxy. (Possible explanation: The New Republic wanted no new central navy because Palapatine missued it the last time, and it was the standard before the clone wars). However, the members of the republic seem to also have no fleet or even ships (not even in contruction) with wich they could resists the First Order. So its just a fingersnap to do what was the life time achivement of Palpatine (which we now know was far smarter than Snoke).
• Why build a super "battleship" when all its flak can be destroyed by a single Ace and the whole ship by a crippled bomber?
• the term "battleship" destorys the whole StarWars feeling. Okay I just saw that its just bad translation, in english its Dreadnought, which just ruins the much beloved Dreadnought class.
• Hux is the embodiement of a military fool descending into clownery. Every line of dialog of him was bad. 100%.
• Why bombard the immovable planet first and then the cruiser? Is common sense really so hard to write in a script?
• why is the frist order having no bombers at all (a squadrons of simple TIE Bombers seem to win all of the three major engaments in the movie)? But at least they developed a ground bound superlaser to open up ... giant doors.
• so after reskinned TIE Fighters and X-Wings, we get reskinned A-Wings, very lazy.
• Snoke ... bold move to let him just die... to bold. it was just very unispiring and disappointing. the whole "I can read every feeling" was a big too thick... considering he obvious couldnt.
• ballistic trajectories in space? Was the whole "chase" around a sun or a black hole? Bombs dropping in space (our possible solution: the racks they were put on could also propell them)
• the Chase? Nobody in the Imperial navy has the idea to jump before them with a hyperjump? No other ships can be called to cut their way? They sent out 3 fighters, which manage to destroy the bridge and their response is not to just sent more fighters but to withdrawn this three? and meanwhile the resistance even flies away, recruit a stranger and infiltrate the enemy superdestroyer on their way back
• Luke just throwing away his light saber when he gets it...
• Poe just walking to the chief in command and demanding to know more, (perhaps this was possible because she never wears an uniform?)
• the red power rangers
• Plot device again: We just hyperjump through the Suprememacy. I wonder why nobody every came on that idea, when it easily is THE best way to destroy large ships as ill equiped Rebels.
• Weapon selling is the most evil thing, we ram it down your throat. Its very evil! No they wont mention that there are child-slaves just under their nose.
• the stormtroopers are 100% extraneous. They are complety irrelevant for the whole movie. Their only thing is to fight with BB8 that just hijacks an AT-ST and blasts them away.

Indifferent

• Phasma doing the "Boba Fett" into fire
• Reys parents are just hobos (or did the Sith just lie?)
• some more aliens in the restistance, but still very few
• Leia`´s vacuum return (bad: they even just opend a door for her)
• Light saber fights. Wow they were so much more thrilling in Ep 1-3
• A LOT, A LOT of budget and screen time for "funny little creatures"
• a lot of comedy even slapstick
• the battle of Hoth in salt scene... I wanted to laugh when I saw it, but then I thought... okay its just trenches and gun positions. That SHOULD happen a lot in a conflict.
• The AT-M6 didnt look to silly in the movie, despite its silly name. Still not very creative.

Good

• Every Rey scene, just very well made. Her crude grasp of the force, her character, her dialoge ... erverything.
• the whole Kylo Ren . /. Rey realtionship. Good action, believable characters and development.
• Poes charackter development, although it was a bit quick
• Rose and other minor charakters like Kaydel Ko Connix, Amilyn Holdo
• the captain of the Mandator IV -class warship . Just the way a want a Imperial captain, and the best phrase in the whole Star Wars setting: "We should have deployed fighters 5 Minutes ago"
• The new Resistance bombers
• The mixture of repition of the Empire strikes back setting with total new and different characters: Histroy repeats itself but not the same. Best example: The eleveator scene: it was just like Luke and Vader, but Rey and Ren are total different characters.
• Nice landscape, but I didnt came for that.
• Mandator IV -class and the Suprememacy didnt look to silly in the movie.
• Plans just fail. The whole scanner sabotage, Finn` s drive into the Superlaser. Rey`` s plan to redeem Ren.
• Lukes final actions, that was well made.
  
  
  For me its a 8/10. Why you ask, as so much is bad? Because the movie is about Ren ./. Rey and when you fokus on that and some niche battle scene, its jaut a good movie.

1 hour ago, headache62 said:

They are definitely setting up Finn and Rose while establishing Fin and Rey as more of a sibling relationship.

Or just friends? Did you ever heard the term "friends"? Why does a female and male charakter always have to be either siblings or in a romantic relationship?

41 minutes ago, BillHimclaw said:

Which is kinda why I think this ended Star Wars for me... In a good note, don't get me wrong. I've been following the Skywalker saga from the beginning. I felt for Luke, Han and Leia, and through them, I felt for Anakin, Padme and Obi-Wan. But I needed more closure. What happened with the Empire after Palpatine's death? And the Jedi? And the Galaxy as a whole?

I got all those questions answered. Luke dies saving his sister, having passed the bases of the Jedi to the next generation. Palpatine's Empire survives him and finds a new generation to rule with and over. The Sith are gone, the Knights of Ren will arise (I assume). There's a new rebellion to a new empire. And legends. And hope for a better future in a galaxy in continuous turmoil.

This movie closed Star Wars for me. It told me "The galaxy keeps going after the Skywalkers are gone".

I somehow find myself not in need of an episode IX. Star Wars could end here, like this, waving goodbye to all those characters I loved, to all of them passing the torch to a new generation... and I would be fine with it.

Wait, Ren is still a skywalke an Rey could also be one (or are you trusitng the words of a sith?).

3 minutes ago, DScipio said:

Or just friends? Did you ever heard the term "friends"? Why does a female and male charakter always have to be either siblings or in a romantic relationship?

Wait, Ren is still a skywalke an Rey could also be one (or are you trusitng the words of a sith?).

I get you, but somehow Ren is a Solo to me. And Rey... Yes. I believe her to be the child of some nobody. They did the whole ESB "search your feelings" thing and all. I believed Vader. I believe them.

And Palpatine was right, from a certain point of view. I do trust the words of a Sith.

5 hours ago, Kubernes said:

My only BS moment was the Leia scene. I just at it.

Any who, I quite liked that Poe stole the movie: he had the best lines, the best arc, and had the best delivery (well, tied with Mark). I guess that interaction between Rey and Poe might mean something? By process of relationship elimination, there's really only him left.

The villains, aside from Kylo, are all just thrown away. Phasma was a glorified cameo, Snoke was a joke, and Hux was trolled right at the start. Even the First Order forces are just wrecked multiple times in the film.

I actually wonder when someone will just copy that cruiser's pilot, whatever the purple haired woman's name was, and just use kamikaze light speed attacks to completely destroy fleets. Heck, just program a droid.

Funny enought hat the First Order still won in this movie. But they somehow already did in the crawl.

1 hour ago, Ritalbringer said:

I so **** agree with you!

People complains about Leia surviving in space (daughter of Anakin Skywalker, quite a powerful Force user), but yeah, nothing about the fact that we see fire in space, hear explosions and engines in space, that people are fighting using light (guns or swords), etc. Beside that, I'm ok with the fact that the scene should have been done in another way maybe. But she survived in space thanks to the Force, so what?

I love to watch these movies like I watched the trilogy for the first time: with child's eyes. Don't take it too seriously in terms of logics. Remember that some people understands when droids or wookies talk in these movies

My quarrel was she looked like Superman doing it, not that she survived brief exposure to space.

Loved the movie, BUT...

I hate how stupid they make the bad guys.

We’ll never see thrawn in the movies because there is no way the rebellion would survive an intelligent enemy leadership.

Othercthan that, it was a great movie and I really don’t get way reviewers said the movie dragged in the middle.

Great movie.

My problem isn’t really a problem its just a “now what?”

My problem isn’t really a problem its just a “now what?”