4 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Die Hard is beat for beat the same film as Home Alone

Or is Home Alone a beat for beat remake of Die Hard?

#KevinIsASerialKillerInTheMaking

4 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

Or, ya know, accept that it's an intentional homage to WWII B-17s and appreciate the pretty damned cool cinematography that goes with it.

True enough... It did look really really good on screen.

About the bombs. I dont understand the need for them to be magnetic. There is artificial gravity inside the bomber, once they are out of the ship they should carry the momentum of that artificial gravity...

If you want to ask yourself something about physics then wonder why the air doesnt get blown out when the hatch is open.

Or even better, why did the turbolaser blasts made a curve like if they were cannonballs affected by gravity. And I loved that effect.

I agree the bombers were cool. I think the only cool thing in that sequence. The homage to WW2 was perfect. What wasnt perfect was Poe e brake sliding around by himself to take out every turret. Also, none of the other fighter pilots were very compelling or interesting to me. They were in rogue one. But not this movie, and I can't figure out why.

2 hours ago, Truthiness said:

Or is Home Alone a beat for beat remake of Die Hard?

#KevinIsASerialKillerInTheMaking

Yippie ki yay, Marv and Harry?

7 hours ago, TheEasternKing said:

Simply put, if you're building ships of the Size of ISD's then you have the technology to protect them from attacks from single manned fighter craft. Because Capital ships are designed to trade fire with other Capital ships, if your technology is not good enough for your Capital ships to deal with single manned fighters, then it is not going to have a chance in **** of trading fire with a Capital class grade weapon system.

I agree with this, @TheEasternKing, except for the brand new CANON that a ship approaching light speed that hits something big is going to smash it to bits. Which seems contrary to Rogue One, where a (admittedly small) transport ship plows into Vader's ISD and just goes "poof!". But surely the transport would have been the same relative size to the ISD as the Raddus was to that unnecessarily large triangle?

The main problem with this movie (and there are many problems in my opinion) is that it has now rendered all of the fleet battle scenes from all of the other movies absurd (and thus rendered the game of Armada ridiculous).

If all we have to do to destroy a very big ship is ram it with something slightly smaller on the approach to light speed, then LET'S JUST DO THAT.

Why, if this was even a tactical option, did admiral tall skinny purple hair (to give her her full name) not just order the various support ships (once evacuated) to turn about and ram the enemy fleet as they approached zero fuel?

It was at this point in the movie that I turned to my wife and said "If that was all it was going to take, why didn't they do that two hours ago?"

It is now established that big things can be blown up by little things flying into them very fast. Yes, very very fast, but still.

Movie 9 will just be Y-Wings piloted by droids jumping to light speed and smashing into ISDs over and over again. There can be no justification for building big ships in the Star Wars Universe after episode 8.

(in my opinion, I could be wrong...)

27 minutes ago, Tiberius the Killer said:

I agree the bombers were cool. I think the only cool thing in that sequence. The homage to WW2 was perfect. What wasnt perfect was Poe e brake sliding around by himself to take out every turret. Also, none of the other fighter pilots were very compelling or interesting to me. They were in rogue one. But not this movie, and I can't figure out why.

He did the same thing in a tie fighter in the Force Awakens with turrets.

I get what you mean however I've defended Rogue One from the same complaints about generic pilots.

23 minutes ago, Forresto said:

He did the same thing in a tie fighter in the Force Awakens with turrets.

I get what you mean however I've defended Rogue One from the same complaints about generic pilots.

Yeah. And I couldn't stand it then. Make him good. But not impossibly good. Poe isn't even on the same level as anyone else. It never felt like he was in danger, so it didn't feel like there was any drama. Luke needed wedge, that made it all the more exciting. Poe don't need nobody. (Well in this movie he needed BB8. That made it somewhat better.)

6 hours ago, Tiberius the Killer said:

Yeah. And I couldn't stand it then. Make him good. But not impossibly good. Poe isn't even on the same level as anyone else. It never felt like he was in danger, so it didn't feel like there was any drama. Luke needed wedge, that made it all the more exciting. Poe don't need nobody. (Well in this movie he needed BB8. That made it somewhat better.)

To be fair they did show his total failing. He is a rediculously good pilot, awful squadron leader needs some seasoning to help him hone his team game. Being MVP is great and all but kinda pointless if your team loses.

After a 2nd viewing I just thought of something...

Does the Raddus have a 2nd bridge? It gets blown up and then Holdo sits in a clean crisp fancy chair in a decidedly not-exploded bridge for her final suicide jump? Did I miss something?

7 minutes ago, duck_bird said:

After a 2nd viewing I just thought of something...

Does the Raddus have a 2nd bridge? It gets blown up and then Holdo sits in a clean crisp fancy chair in a decidedly not-exploded bridge for her final suicide jump? Did I miss something?

They have an auxiliary bridge that is protected from fighters that they for some reason decided not to use until everyone but Leia Poppins was dead

8 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

They have an auxiliary bridge that is protected from fighters that they for some reason decided not to use until everyone but Leia Poppins was dead

That's fair. It would be downright rude to use the protected bridge. Very unsportsmanlike.

13 hours ago, LTD said:

I agree with this, @TheEasternKing, except for the brand new CANON that a ship approaching light speed that hits something big is going to smash it to bits. Which seems contrary to Rogue One, where a (admittedly small) transport ship plows into Vader's ISD and just goes "poof!". But surely the transport would have been the same relative size to the ISD as the Raddus was to that unnecessarily large triangle?

The GR-75 hadn't jumped to light speed yet. It was gearing up to do so, Devastator jumped in, it slowed down, tried to veer off, and crashed.

6 hours ago, MandalorianMoose said:

They have an auxiliary bridge that is protected from fighters that they for some reason decided not to use until everyone but Leia Poppins was dead

Wait where does it say the auxiliary is protected from fighters?

17 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Wait where does it say the auxiliary is protected from fighters?

It doesn’t, but secondary bridges and command centres are “traditionally “ inside the structure - which is why they are not preferred - they lack the traditional “overview” or “look out” that the standard bridge offers.

also, I was listening to the lost stars audiobook, and it interestingly seemed to note that Star Destroyrrs have multiple auxiliary bridges at one point, but I need to listen a second time at least.

19 hours ago, melminiatures said:

About the bombs. I dont understand the need for them to be magnetic. There is artificial gravity inside the bomber, once they are out of the ship they should carry the momentum of that artificial gravity...

Then they should completely stop as soon as they reach the immense frictional force it seems exist in star wars space.

Phisical stuff is better to don't look to closely in star wars. At least those that don't break the coherence with previous ci-fi stuff we already see.

See hyperspace bullets I don't want to discuss again. Or the lack of autopilot when we know they existed in star wars. At least a line saying the autopilot was broken due to the heavy damage the ship suffered would have helped.

What I wonder is the poor technological roof that universe reached.

The bombers reached the objective and they knew it looking down. Yeah! We are over our 7000 km target. Sure? SURE????! LOL

But whatever. I don't want to blame the best dramatic scene of the whole film.

22 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Then they should completely stop as soon as they reach the immense frictional force it seems exist in star wars space.

Phisical stuff is better to don't look to closely in star wars. At least those that don't break the coherence with previous ci-fi stuff we already see.

See hyperspace bullets I don't want to discuss again. Or the lack of autopilot when we know they existed in star wars. At least a line saying the autopilot was broken due to the heavy damage the ship suffered would have helped.

What I wonder is the poor technological roof that universe reached.

The bombers reached the objective and they knew it looking down. Yeah! We are over our 7000 km target. Sure? SURE????! LOL

But whatever. I don't want to blame the best dramatic scene of the whole film.

Well their target was actually the weakspot, which was that place were thinking would fit a ressurgent class in, which if the payload was successfully delivered it would cause a chain reaction in the ship.

4 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Well their target was actually the weakspot, which was that place were thinking would fit a ressurgent class in, which if the payload was successfully delivered it would cause a chain reaction in the ship.

They flew over the weak spot for a long time.

However it doesn't explain why visual confirmation was its targeting system.

3 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

The fly over the weak spot for a long time.

However it doesn't explain why visual confirmation was its targeting system.

well, you don't want to miss any of those 1048 proton bombs so better be sure you're on the center

Was it just me or where the Resistance bombers really useless?

24 minutes ago, chr335 said:

Was it just me or where the Resistance bombers really useless?

Nope, it wasn't just you. You don't use tight flight formations with slow bombers on capital ship attacks for a reason...

But then pretty much all of the resistance toys were disappointing.

And don't even get me started on Hux letting one ship do the entire fighting at the start without any long-distance gunfire support or fighter support.

Since everyone here is jumping on the "Why don't hyperspace cruise missles exist?" I think I will note a few counter points to it. Things more often then not are in constant motion and thus would require constant recalibaration of hyperspace cordinates if projectile is luanched several systems away. All we have seen are daring captians turning off hyperspace safties. One would need powerful long range scanners which either do not exist or are far and few in Star Wars. Without scanners the need changes to powerful and expansive spy networks to ultimatly track patrols and hack communications. Also we tend to have every ship having sensors that can sence a hyperspace engage and disengage near the ship. What if Star Wars gets its Machine uprising because droids decry this tactic for its inhuman use of machine life?

If still used, this would limit engagements to within a system. You would still need carriers and fighters to protect the weapon system while it did its work.

1 hour ago, idiewell said:

And don't even get me started on Hux letting one ship do the entire fighting at the start without any long-distance gunfire support or fighter support.

...Which is why Snoke was mad at him, not the late Captain Canady. It wasn't Canady's fault that Hux hung him out to dry as far as fighter cover was concerned.

If we assume Hux had about 5 Resurgent-class SDs as well as the Fulminatrix at the battle of D'Qar, then his fleet had at least 10 wings of TIEs plus whatever the Fulminatrix carried (probably one more wing).

If we also figure that a "wing" is equivalent to the full fighter complement of an ISD (72), then that gives Hux 11 x 72 = 792 fighters at his command. How many did Canady get? Only his own ship's complement. WHY did Hux not have a CAP (Combat Air Patrol) airborne? We don't know. I would think that with a heavy bombardment ship like the Fulminatrix in play, a fighter screen would be the first thing you would do.

Clearly Hux is a tactical failure, and it's a miracle he hasn't gotten killed yet. Back to the Academy with him!

No other Star Wars Movie has utilized the full starfighter complement of a Star Destroyer ever.

Empire Strikes Back has like six tie fighters chasing the Falcon from a seven ISD strong fleet.

Its arrogance. The Empire and First Order don't feel like they need to utilize them.

57 minutes ago, Forresto said:

No other Star Wars Movie has utilized the full starfighter complement of a Star Destroyer ever.

Empire Strikes Back has like six tie fighters chasing the Falcon from a seven ISD strong fleet.

Its arrogance. The Empire and First Order don't feel like they need to utilize them.

Or death star, for that matter. If memory serves me right, it was established (at one time) that the death star carried 7,200 fighters, but in Episode 4 only Vader's personal squadron launches.