2 hours ago, ryanabt said:

If you think that Luke was a legend, meaning capable of anything, then you watched 4-6 wrong. He was a scared young man who had enough love for his father to overcome his own ineptitude to defeat evil. What happens when it isn't his father? What happens when he is on the other side of training? That is what this movie explores.

I say this again...Yoda (a legend) fled and his and never came out to save the universe. Obiwan (a legend) hid and only came out because he lucked into finding Luke. There are no perfect legends in Star Wars. Unless you mean the false things people say about those who are foisted into that position by the stories told about them. That is what this movie is about.

Yoda saved the universe by training Luke. He fled because he could not have survived the purge.

Obi Wan did not luck, he specifically was on Tat to watch over Luke. At one point or another, he would have started train Luke. That Yoda was reluctant tomtrain Luke I think was for "dramatic" reasons, and within thenstory because his experience with training unruly Skywalkers has not been great

Yoda gave up. He wasn't losing the battle against Sidious. He just ran away. Him and Kenobi infiltrate the heart of the Republic and reset the message to warn jedi away, but they don't reset that message to try and have all the survivors meet up again for another assault. There's no follow up try. Yoda and Obi Wan then waited on the sidelines for decades while the galaxy suffered under tyranny. How many died during that time? What if there had been no Luke and Leia? What if Luke died in a freak accident? That's a long game to play while so many are at risk. Meanwhile they did literally nothing even in what small ways they could to help the people around them.

And ultimately, Yoda didn't even succeed at training Luke, he let him run off...

At least Luke has the benefit of the First Order literally just come onto the scene with their attacks (like a few days) and not being aware of what was happening in the outside world. He's not nearly as culpable and lazy as the rest of the Jedi Master legends.

" Yoda gave up. He wasn't losing the battle against Sidious."

Lolwut

Finaly got to see the movie tonight. I am not a fan of the FA and disliked Rouge one. The LJ I liked enough to say it was reasonable.

Sure there was some crap like the floating Leia and the rip of empire salt / speeders that dont fly or the RTJ throne room rip but there was good bits to.

Yodas was the best for me. Leia teaching poe a thing or two was good also and the nod to the past about sparks and how rebellions start was cool.

Maybe the whole casino thing is filler rubbish or maybe it does set up parts of the next movie who knows. I liked FO more secound time asbi oicked more up.

I got the feeling the hacker was the anti solo who took the money rather than fight the death star. I reakon he might be back to supply new weapons or be part of it.

Great move no, but entertaining, yes.

Has anyone seen this? It makes me sad, but I also love it:

On 12/23/2017 at 10:24 AM, redxavier said:

Yoda gave up. He wasn't losing the battle against Sidious. He just ran away. Him and Kenobi infiltrate the heart of the Republic and reset the message to warn jedi away, but they don't reset that message to try and have all the survivors meet up again for another assault. There's no follow up try. Yoda and Obi Wan then waited on the sidelines for decades while the galaxy suffered under tyranny. How many died during that time? What if there had been no Luke and Leia? What if Luke died in a freak accident? That's a long game to play while so many are at risk. Meanwhile they did literally nothing even in what small ways they could to help the people around them.

And ultimately, Yoda didn't even succeed at training Luke, he let him run off...

At least Luke has the benefit of the First Order literally just come onto the scene with their attacks (like a few days) and not being aware of what was happening in the outside world. He's not nearly as culpable and lazy as the rest of the Jedi Master legends.

Its even weirder when you see rebels. Both Obi Wan and Yoda are aware of the existsnce of the Rebellion, Ezra and Kanan. Any of them would have been extremelly useful to build the Rebel Alliance.

2 hours ago, melminiatures said:

Its even weirder when you see rebels. Both Obi Wan and Yoda are aware of the existsnce of the Rebellion, Ezra and Kanan. Any of them would have been extremelly useful to build the Rebel Alliance.

We are seeing a.. refinement of the philosophy and dare I say physics of the Force. Sure, they could step into the conflict and have a major impact. Yet what we are left with through The Last Jedi is a notion that there is something integral to the Force about ensuring balance. The dark side is as necessary as the light, creation and destruction, yin and yang. It seems our remaining Jedi are realizing that they must sit astride of these conflicts as much as possible. Participating seems to escalate. The hubris of the Jedi may be in thinking they can proliferate across the galaxy without causing an equal growth of evil forces.

I am still ruminating a lot. But it seems like the Jedi are realizing the galaxy... will continue to exist without them. Will continue to fight, and will continue to struggle between good and evil. Will always be caught in the churn of creation and destruction, the cycle of life I daresay. It seems they must be wary of how they participate, like we saw with Luke.

I dunno though, lots of speculation on my part. I do have a sense of everything coming together in a seriously metaphysics way though.

Have been thinking abit about poor plot armour since my previous comments.

Why did we need some sort of bridge with a vulnerable window to kill old heroes ie ackbar etc yet the bridge where they control the ship was not even this exposed.

Poor

The ship has two bridges - primary, and backup. When the primary was disabled, the backup bridge took over, and was where it was controlled from for the rest of the movie.

16 hours ago, TheBigLev said:

We are seeing a.. refinement of the philosophy and dare I say physics of the Force. Sure, they could step into the conflict and have a major impact. Yet what we are left with through The Last Jedi is a notion that there is something integral to the Force about ensuring balance. The dark side is as necessary as the light, creation and destruction, yin and yang. It seems our remaining Jedi are realizing that they must sit astride of these conflicts as much as possible. Participating seems to escalate. The hubris of the Jedi may be in thinking they can proliferate across the galaxy without causing an equal growth of evil forces.

I am still ruminating a lot. But it seems like the Jedi are realizing the galaxy... will continue to exist without them. Will continue to fight, and will continue to struggle between good and evil. Will always be caught in the churn of creation and destruction, the cycle of life I daresay. It seems they must be wary of how they participate, like we saw with Luke.

I dunno though, lots of speculation on my part. I do have a sense of everything coming together in a seriously metaphysics way though.

I find the whole idea of needing both the light and dark side to be total BS in the film. Without the Sith, we have thousands of years (or is it generations) of relative peace and stability. With the Sith, there's just meaningless oppression and big meanie heads. There's really nothing in any of the films that shows the dark side as having any positive traits or that the light side has negative ones, which is essential with presenting the idea that you need both.

Get rid of the notion that they are good and evil. Get rid of 8 films of positive reinforcement that the light side is the right side. After that, you've got something to work with.

What we need is a Tui and La from Avatar: the Last Airbender.

19 hours ago, melminiatures said:

Its even weirder when you see rebels. Both Obi Wan and Yoda are aware of the existsnce of the Rebellion, Ezra and Kanan. Any of them would have been extremelly useful to build the Rebel Alliance.

Yoda and Obi-Wan had jobs to do, and they did them to the best of their abilities. Yes, Yoda would rather have had Leia show up for training, but he worked with what he had.

1 hour ago, Kubernes said:

I find the whole idea of needing both the light and dark side to be total BS in the film. Without the Sith, we have thousands of years (or is it generations) of relative peace and stability. With the Sith, there's just meaningless oppression and big meanie heads. There's really nothing in any of the films that shows the dark side as having any positive traits or that the light side has negative ones, which is essential with presenting the idea that you need both.

Get rid of the notion that they are good and evil. Get rid of 8 films of positive reinforcement that the light side is the right side. After that, you've got something to work with.

What we need is a Tui and La from Avatar: the Last Airbender.

They have been doing away with the pure black and white of the Force. Itself anyway. You can indeed use the dark side for good, up to a point. See Rebels as an example. The bigger picture is that if you fall to lure of the dark side, or if you build your politics with it as the guiding hand, you end up with suffering, pain, strife and misery.

The dark side doesnt need to be positive in the sense you are indicating. It just is a part of the universe. You have to accept it will exist or you will fall from grace as the Jedi did. If you cast light on the world, you also cast shadows.

We also saw that despite a thousand generations of Jedi, the galaxy still has slavery. And the Jedi have been unable or unwilling to do anything about it.

So the dark side has always been present. Even during the glory days of the republic.

I think it interesting that they showed Luke in such a light. The notion that he was not perfect, and showing the fine line between good and evil was in my opinion fairly thought provoking. In ESB it was shown that he had dark inside of him, it was a bold move to show him at the hight of his power, faulter for a moment and to show him basically reeling from what he had almost done in a moment of weakness. The ramifications of that moment are what help define the current arc, just as the PT helped define the OT(Clumisly I'll admit). I mean that moment seriously helped define kylo Ren much more than anything else as a villian. It seriously defined his motivation, as well as his outlook.

13 hours ago, Ironlord said:

The ship has two bridges - primary, and backup. When the primary was disabled, the backup bridge took over, and was where it was controlled from for the rest of the movie.

That could make for a good upgrade card. Auxiliary Bridge - defensive retrofit

55 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

That could make for a good upgrade card. Auxiliary Bridge - defensive retrofit

That sounds pretty neat, actually. Especially if it saves you from losing speed from a crit. Good lord. If I even think about going speed 1, I'm hit with the crit that drops my speed.

3 hours ago, Noosh said:

I think it interesting that they showed Luke in such a light. The notion that he was not perfect, and showing the fine line between good and evil was in my opinion fairly thought provoking. In ESB it was shown that he had dark inside of him, it was a bold move to show him at the hight of his power, faulter for a moment and to show him basically reeling from what he had almost done in a moment of weakness. The ramifications of that moment are what help define the current arc, just as the PT helped define the OT(Clumisly I'll admit). I mean that moment seriously helped define kylo Ren much more than anything else as a villian. It seriously defined his motivation, as well as his outlook.

The problem I'm having is that the story of Kylo Ren becoming the guy he is now sounds like a way more compelling story.

1 minute ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

The problem I'm having is that the story of Kylo Ren becoming the guy he is now sounds like a way more compelling story.

Yup. Maybe we'll get a book, maybe a movie.

13 minutes ago, Noosh said:

Yup. Maybe we'll get a book, maybe a movie.

If they do a book, I'm gonna go nuts. The thing I hate most is this idea that I need to read some side material to fully understand the story they're presenting me with.

7 minutes ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

If they do a book, I'm gonna go nuts. The thing I hate most is this idea that I need to read some side material to fully understand the story they're presenting me with.

Yup also they may not find a good author too so that would be double shame.

On 15.12.2017 at 5:41 PM, Alzer said:

I actually agree, it didn't have that star-wars feel, something about all the Hollywood they threw into it maybe? Personally I was missing the music, they dropped the ball on original score hard.

Also may be because it relied on very un-star wars things like "fuel"?

Has been around since the very beginning. (0:45- 0:50)

I actually love the idea- I mean, TiE Fighters have no hyper drive, sure, but they can essentially stay in the hot zone until the pilot passes out from exhaustion. The Rebels have to plan every move and stick it the first time- or they pay in lost lifes and machines. Fuel underlines this perfectly.

12 minutes ago, DampfGecko said:

Has been around since the very beginning. (0:45- 0:50)

I actually love the idea- I mean, TiE Fighters have no hyper drive, sure, but they can essentially stay in the hot zone until the pilot passes out from exhaustion. The Rebels have to plan every move and stick it the first time- or they pay in lost lifes and machines. Fuel underlines this perfectly.

Those weren’t fuel lines they were 1977 USB or Lightning connectors ?

1 hour ago, DampfGecko said:

Has been around since the very beginning. (0:45- 0:50)

I actually love the idea- I mean, TiE Fighters have no hyper drive, sure, but they can essentially stay in the hot zone until the pilot passes out from exhaustion. The Rebels have to plan every move and stick it the first time- or they pay in lost lifes and machines. Fuel underlines this perfectly.

Though these are fighters. I’m much more inclined to say fighters use some sort of fuel while carriers and large battleships use some sort of reactor similar to modern militaries.

I remember seeing an ISD schematic that showed they have solar reactors for instance.

25 minutes ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

Though these are fighters. I’m much more inclined to say fighters use some sort of fuel while carriers and large battleships use some sort of reactor similar to modern militaries.

I remember seeing an ISD schematic that showed they have solar reactors for instance.

In legends, the imperials have massive fueling ships, these ships dwarf the ISD. And the ISDs, according to cross sections, have nuclear reactors that use fuel at almost conventional levels due to the full power requirements. TIE fighters (originally) used fuel, mind you they used to also be the equal of an X-Wing, the chin guns being as powerful as all 4 on an x-wing, and they rocked shields, same as everything else. It was later that they became solar powered, in part to reduce fuel consumption in the Imperial Navy.