1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

It's not our galaxy. It's vastly more populated. Also it's pretty clear the debris of the Raddus didn't go in a straight line, if a hyperspace weapon splits up on impact who knows where it'll drop out. We also have to consider the size and complexity of the device being used. The bigger it is, the more parts it has, the more chance for collateral damage. If the chances are so slim in this universe of hitting anything, why do they need ultra precise Nav computers to calculate hyperspace travel at all?

I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm a gun owner and a CCW license holder, but you don't fire a weapon when the backdrop isn't safe. It's how innocent people get shot.

I carry that same logic with any sort of weapon, fictional or no. Collateral damage is bad. And there's just no way to know what kind of damage you could do by jumping a ship, explosive, laserweapon, asteroid, or whatever else through hyperspace as an attack. Especially since after impact you have literally no control over the device.

It doesn't matter how populated that galaxy is. It's 99.999999% or even more is empty space.

Also they need computers to find the point they want to go. As minimum you need to calculate the time you must travel. It is light speed right? One second more and you will pass through your destination by far.

59 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

So if you fire a torpedo at an ISD through hyperspace, and it blasts half that ship but that half get accelerated with it, there's not going to be any consequences? How do you know it wont do that? That reactor core sounds like something that would give off all sorts of hazardous radiation. Not to mention the physical debris being hurdled through space at speeds over 299792458 meter per second.

What if that torpedo his the target and pierces right through it before detonating? At those speeds that explosion could be happening far beyond visual range. Do you have any idea who you may hit?

The point is there COULD BE huge collateral casualties. They make it pretty clear that even traveling in hyperspace is dangerous without precision. Hucking a rocket at 299792458 meter per second towards an ISD and hoping for the best sounds like some haphazard military thinking. Especially when something as simple as an X-wing seems to suffice against an enemy like the Empire.

They did win with those ya know lol

Hazardous radiation? In the space? Man, there are stars which would laugh its *** off hearing about dangerous radiation from an engine.

Maybe it's just a ram. A ram that, because it was fast, was both hard to dodge and tough to shrug off. Listen, I'm a physics professor. If I can live with it, you can.

14 hours ago, Doppelganger said:

Well... since its broken in two, I think its a goner.

No way. Its 60km wide with a crew to match, and is a shipyard.

The Raddus hit off centre mass for a reason. Its coming back, with a clipped wing.

12 hours ago, draco193 said:

The one thing this film has done for me is just cement the fact that Disney wants you to read all the books/ play all the games / watch the tv shows for the extra little bits. I will assume we hear more about Snoke in the next film, but that there will be a novel about him in there as well that will really illuminate his rise to power.

It's fine, because so far most of the extra material has been Not bad to really good. But it's extra stuff that I have to buy.

This isn't new: I'm pretty sure this was Lucas's MO during the prequels too. There's a whole chunk of the prequels storyline that doesn't make sense unless you explore the EU (namely: who was Sifo-Dyas and why did he order the clones?). But Disney is definitely capitalising on the franchise's reputation of having a vast universe of stories to support the films.

So I know the thread has moved on a bit... but this is great

I agree with Hitler? Hmmmm

- a bit of profanity in the subtitles if you’re watching with kids...

8 hours ago, RobertK said:

Maybe it's just a ram. A ram that, because it was fast, was both hard to dodge and tough to shrug off. Listen, I'm a physics professor. If I can live with it, you can.

It is not about physics really. It is about coherence and verisimilitude. Both are fundamental when building a fictional universe.

Not read the whole thread ... but a eh moment for me

TFA - Snoke, Skywalker must die as he's so powerful

TLJ - Kylo to Rey, how are you doing a force projection it would kill you

snoke, hay I did a double force projection (one of whom I dont know where they are!) 3 times

luke, does a force projection and dies

So how powerful is/was luke?

1 hour ago, slasher956 said:

snoke, hay I did a double force projection (one of whom I dont know where they are!) 3 times

Eh?

17 minutes ago, redxavier said:

Eh?

several times in the movie Kylo & Rey see each other & talk to each other, Snoke later says that it was him doing this...

what could it be except a force projection of each person into the mind of the other?

3 minutes ago, slasher956 said:

several times in the movie Kylo & Rey see each other & talk to each other, Snoke later says that it was him doing this...

what could it be except a force projection of each person into the mind of the other?

Was it though? It felt distinctly different to me, more akin to telepathy (which was clearly Snoke's forte) than to the physical projection Luke pulled off. Luke was visible, and physically tangible, to everyone. Kylo and Rey were only visible to each other (and Luke when he opened himself back up to the Force).

Luke was more than his physical power, though. It was the hope he represented that Snoke feared. Fear isn't rational. Snoke didn't have nearly as much to fear from Luke as he felt. Luke himself mocked the idea that he would emerge from hiding and 'take down the first First Order singlehandedly.' But tyrants above all else fear losing power. Luke was the symbol of everything that could bring Snoke down, not just what Luke himself could do.

11 minutes ago, slasher956 said:

several times in the movie Kylo & Rey see each other & talk to each other, Snoke later says that it was him doing this...

what could it be except a force projection of each person into the mind of the other?

He simply links their minds through the force, not projecting anything

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

He simply links their minds through the force, not projecting anything

2 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

Was it though? It felt distinctly different to me, more akin to telepathy (which was clearly Snoke's forte) than to the physical projection Luke pulled off. Luke was visible, and physically tangible, to everyone. Kylo and Rey were only visible to each other (and Luke when he opened himself back up to the Force).

Luke was more than his physical power, though. It was the hope he represented that Snoke feared. Fear isn't rational. Snoke didn't have nearly as much to fear from Luke as he felt. Luke himself mocked the idea that he would emerge from hiding and 'take down the first First Order singlehandedly.' But tyrants above all else fear losing power. Luke was the symbol of everything that could bring Snoke down, not just what Luke himself could do.

so how do you explain the water of Kylo's hand? the 2nd time, when Rey was outside the Falcon & Kylo was in the corridor..

2 minutes ago, slasher956 said:

so how do you explain the water of Kylo's hand? the 2nd time, when Rey was outside the Falcon & Kylo was in the corridor..

I dunno...... almost every time we see he ends up looking drenched in sweat, that suit seems quite warm.

Sweat?

The idea that it's possible to see events light-years away through the Force, did have precedent with Yoda "This one, a long time have I watched" - and two-way conversations over long distances had precedent in the EU with Mara Jade and the Emperor.

Effectively, the newcanon seems to be combining the two, with a two-way visual link.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_bond

Eh i dont really care, didnt bother me much either way.

Sweat, tears, other unlikely coincidence OR the force can now teleport matter extremely long distances?

Im just gonna stick with sweat.

Transporting energy in a projection is one thing. Transporting matter is another.

In fantasy settings, seers sometimes seem to be creating a kind of portal through which a limited amount matter or energy can pass through, when they "scry" on a target a long way away.

That's what first sprung to mind.

Knowing that its impossible to please everybody...I'm gonna try to make simple script changes to explain some of GLARING errors I saw.

1) Poe's squadron is sent to knock out the point defense guns. TIE fighters are launching, Poe orders most of his squadron to draw away the TIEs while he and a couple wingmen hit the point defenses. As they approach someone is amazed the shields are down. Poe replies they must be charging their bombardment cannons, which draw a lot of power from the system. The battle proceeds as shown in the movie.

2) Before jumping to hyperspace Admiral Ackbar points out our fuel levels will be low, to which Leia replies we have tankers waiting at the rally point. When Kylo ren and his wingmen attack they go after the fuel tankers destroying them, before the resistance can scramble fighters. The debris of a destroyed tanker is flung toward the Raddus using the force Leia pushes most of the debris away but one chunk hits the bridge injuring her and killing most of the bridge crew. FO pitcrew report the resistance ships can stay ahead of the fleet but appear to be low on fuel as they were preparing to fuel up the fleet when the FO arrived. Hux orders a fighter assault but is stopped by Snoke who instead orders Hux to contact a support squadron to intercept while they pursue. Hux replies its unnecessary to draw this out, but Snoke replies I want them to suffer for the loss of star killer base.

3) Finn Launches his plan to find a Slicer to get past security but upon arriving Fin reveals he just wanted off the ship and he leaves Rose who gets caught. While in the casino Finn overhears a conversation by a FO officer saying their battle group is leaving to intercept some Resistance ships. Finn feels guilty and has a change of heart, rescuing Rose and a slicer who claims to be able to help. They board the ship and sabotage the navigation systems preventing the intercept from happening. But get sold out by the slicer, and it is reveled Phasma is in command of this battlegroup. Finns story continues as shown. BB-8 reconfigured a power conduit to overload causing the diversion needed to rescue Finn.

1 hour ago, DrakonLord said:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_bond

Eh i dont really care, didnt bother me much either way.

Sweat, tears, other unlikely coincidence OR the force can now teleport matter extremely long distances?

Im just gonna stick with sweat.

Transporting energy in a projection is one thing. Transporting matter is another.

When I saw that, I viewed it as the force manipulating the matter around his physical location to simulate the environment where his mind was.

I.e. Kylo subconsciously used the force to draw moisture out of the air around him.

1 hour ago, slasher956 said:

so how do you explain the water of Kylo's hand? the 2nd time, when Rey was outside the Falcon & Kylo was in the corridor..

how do YOU explain the water in his hands? He wouldn't be physically there if it was a projection, otherwise Luke would have died to the blade

He sweat through his leather gloves?

He wipes his hand on his forehead.

That's a reach. (Get it? Hand...reach? )

It's clearly water from Rey's location. It doesn't need to be explained as it is a story telling technique to demonstrate how close the two of them have become.

Star Wars is a universe where the metaphorical can physically manifest.

2 hours ago, slasher956 said:

several times in the movie Kylo & Rey see each other & talk to each other, Snoke later says that it was him doing this...

what could it be except a force projection of each person into the mind of the other?

And which piece of Snoke did it later? When the Rebellion was fleeing aboard the "Millonary Fiasco"?

2 hours ago, Truthiness said:

Was it though? It felt distinctly different to me, more akin to telepathy (which was clearly Snoke's forte) than to the physical projection Luke pulled off. Luke was visible, and physically tangible, to everyone.

But Anabolized ATATs and Kylo's saber.

1 hour ago, Ironlord said:

In fantasy settings, seers sometimes seem to be creating a kind of portal through which a limited amount matter or energy can pass through, when they "scry" on a target a long way away.

That's what first sprung to mind.

Episode IX: The Return of the Demogorgon.

1 hour ago, SnowWulf said:

Knowing that its impossible to please everybody...I'm gonna try to make simple script changes to explain some of GLARING errors I saw.

1) Poe's squadron is sent to knock out the point defense guns. TIE fighters are launching, Poe orders most of his squadron to draw away the TIEs while he and a couple wingmen hit the point defenses. As they approach someone is amazed the shields are down. Poe replies they must be charging their bombardment cannons, which draw a lot of power from the system. The battle proceeds as shown in the movie.

2) Before jumping to hyperspace Admiral Ackbar points out our fuel levels will be low, to which Leia replies we have tankers waiting at the rally point. When Kylo ren and his wingmen attack they go after the fuel tankers destroying them, before the resistance can scramble fighters. The debris of a destroyed tanker is flung toward the Raddus using the force Leia pushes most of the debris away but one chunk hits the bridge injuring her and killing most of the bridge crew. FO pitcrew report the resistance ships can stay ahead of the fleet but appear to be low on fuel as they were preparing to fuel up the fleet when the FO arrived. Hux orders a fighter assault but is stopped by Snoke who instead orders Hux to contact a support squadron to intercept while they pursue. Hux replies its unnecessary to draw this out, but Snoke replies I want them to suffer for the loss of star killer base.

3) Finn Launches his plan to find a Slicer to get past security but upon arriving Fin reveals he just wanted off the ship and he leaves Rose who gets caught. While in the casino Finn overhears a conversation by a FO officer saying their battle group is leaving to intercept some Resistance ships. Finn feels guilty and has a change of heart, rescuing Rose and a slicer who claims to be able to help. They board the ship and sabotage the navigation systems preventing the intercept from happening. But get sold out by the slicer, and it is reveled Phasma is in command of this battlegroup. Finns story continues as shown. BB-8 reconfigured a power conduit to overload causing the diversion needed to rescue Finn.

These are pretty elegant simple solutions for some of the weaker aspects of the movie. I wish they were canon!