Leia's surviving in space and flying: idea was good, made sense, but poorly screened.
Raddus hyperspace rail gun: idea was poor (I mean as discussed why nobody did it in the last 1000y), but greatly screened (lights, no sound for seconds, explosions).
1 hour ago, Forresto said:The inference, given the Resistance didn't use smaller ships in this manner, is that they wouldnt do any damage in this manner and in an industrialized war you wouldn't dare sacrifice the big ships like this when they are strategically far more important to the war otherwise as fueling points, fighter carriers, and mobile command bases and orbiting planetary occupiers. Capital ships are extremely valuable in the star wars universe.
The point is, though, that if hyperspace ramming is not only physically possible but also has an effect that is orders of magnitude greater than conventional weaponry, there is no sensible reason why it has not been properly weaponized. We're not talking about flinging capital ships at each other - we're talking about building cheap hyperspeed torpedoes, as well as planetary defense systems based on simply sticking hyperdrives to big rocks.
Long story short: if hyperspeed projectiles are better than turbolasers, well then that's what capital ships will be equipped with.
And when it comes to the Death Star(s), flinging anything at it, however expensive, is still preferable to letting it wipe out your planets and your fleet one superlaser at a time. ****, even if you're not going to blow it up, making a big dent on the superlaser dish would be worth it, as it would put it out of commission for weeks - long enough to evacuate, regroup, whatever.
My only issue with the hyperspace thing is the movie right before this one had rebel transports going into hyperspace and blowing up upon impact on the Devastator with little to no effect on that ISD. Cartoon physics (which is what we are talking about here) has to be consistent to be believable. Making a ship a high speed bullet by going into hyperspace seems fine enough, cept it is not consistent with the movie right before it nor was it consistent with the movie before that one where they could hyperspace into atmosphere. It sure did look cool though.....
The humour worked and was in context. Poe and Hux - a distraction so Poe could get close to attack - very Han Solo. Porgs for chewies meal - Chewie thinks with his stomach in ROTJ. Luke throwing the lightsaber is him distancing himself from his jedi past. Luke whacking Rey with the branch - very Yoda and Luke in ESB. Luke brushing his shoulder was to wind up Kylo and make him face him 1 on 1. Lukes last line - a direct homage to his fallen best friend Han. Porgs in the Falcon were fine and added a bit of levity to tense moments which simply increased the enjoyment of those scenes without being distracting. Chewie's Tarzan roar in ROTJ was far worse.
31 minutes ago, Mep said:My only issue with the hyperspace thing is the movie right before this one had rebel transports going into hyperspace and blowing up upon impact on the Devastator with little to no effect on that ISD. Cartoon physics (which is what we are talking about here) has to be consistent to be believable. Making a ship a high speed bullet by going into hyperspace seems fine enough, cept it is not consistent with the movie right before it nor was it consistent with the movie before that one where they could hyperspace into atmosphere. It sure did look cool though.....
That GR75 never made lightspeed, but was just preparing for jump.
Still, Darth Vader is a lot luckier than it seemed during the first viewing; imagine if one of those CR90s had jumped a little later, and a little more to the right...
Edited by The Jabbawookie2 hours ago, DiabloAzul said:The point is, though, that if hyperspace ramming is not only physically possible but also has an effect that is orders of magnitude greater than conventional weaponry, there is no sensible reason why it has not been properly weaponized. We're not talking about flinging capital ships at each other - we're talking about building cheap hyperspeed torpedoes, as well as planetary defense systems based on simply sticking hyperdrives to big rocks.
Long story short: if hyperspeed projectiles are better than turbolasers, well then that's what capital ships will be equipped with.
And when it comes to the Death Star(s), flinging anything at it, however expensive, is still preferable to letting it wipe out your planets and your fleet one superlaser at a time. ****, even if you're not going to blow it up, making a big dent on the superlaser dish would be worth it, as it would put it out of commission for weeks - long enough to evacuate, regroup, whatever.
The Death Star is so big, it would pull a ship out of Hyperspace like an Interdictor. (at least I think that would happen)
Edited by Doppelganger2 minutes ago, Doppelganger said:The Death Star is so big, it would pull a ship out of Hyperspace like an Interdictor. (at least I think that would happen)
I think that because of its mass and size it would create a shadow in hyperspace, which would cause a collision to an object travelling hyperspace with a wrongly plotted coordinate or safety off, but my hyperspace knowledge ain’t that good
Travelling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy etc.
We don't know if Snoke's ship is irrepairable yet. Badly damaged yes, destroyed, no.
Edited by Gallanteer28 minutes ago, Gallanteer said:Plotting a route through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy etc.
We don't know if Snoke's ship is irrepairable yet. Badly damaged yes, destroyed, no.
Well... since its broken in two, I think its a goner.
The worst parts of ep8... are the pieces of shtt from ep7: The lack of plot, no explanation stupidity that was done in Ep7 Who's snoke, why do we care. Why giant ships. Whos knights of ren? Who the **** cares.
I think a lot of the criticisms of Episode 8 have to do with expected answers and revelations. TLJ is the most groundbreaking Star Wars to date and yet it steadfastly refuses to give too much info away. This has left a lot of fans in a sort of lurch, uncertain how to feel. I personally love that.
I will say that my ultimate verdict on 8 depends on how 9 takes what was started here and where it goes. I also believe very little of what we saw was exactly as depicted. This is not going to go the way you think it is. There is far more philosophy and metaphysics at the heart of the Force than was previously understood.
27 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:The worst parts of ep8... are the pieces of shtt from ep7: The lack of plot, no explanation stupidity that was done in Ep7 Who's snoke, why do we care. Why giant ships. Whos knights of ren? Who the **** cares.
Ep 8 simply cleared the way for the main plotline of the boss battle between Kylo and Rey. The rest is unfortunately turning into just padding (fun though it is to watch). The Empire and Emperor had a purpose (to bring peace - using the Emperors warped logic). The First Order' reason for existance is vague - its all just a personal vendetta between Kylo and anyone he doesn't like. Working for the Empire would have been inspiring (for the greater good and all that), something the FO lacks.
Edited by GallanteerHere's my take on the hyper ram. Look at the distance between ships. The Raddus was actually very close to the Supremacy, having turned around. Holdo then engages the hyperdrive.
Now, we know a ship going into hyperdrive has a moment of acceleration before it actually enters hyperspace. This is seen in the films.
I think the reason this worked was distance and timing. When the Raddus impacted, it had accelerated to 'almost' super luminal speed, but not enough to enter hyperspace. Say, 99% light speed. At that speed, an object with the mass of that ship would carry a tremendous amount of energy, which as we see is enough to slice through the Supremacy and three or four other ships. At this point it can be assumed the Raddus is only high energy plasma or similar.
Now, once a ship enters hyperspace proper, it's safe from most outside effects, short of a gravity well (and even that is suspect, seeing what Han pulled in TFA).
Toughts, anyone?
5 hours ago, Mep said:My only issue with the hyperspace thing is the movie right before this one had rebel transports going into hyperspace and blowing up upon impact on the Devastator with little to no effect on that ISD. Cartoon physics (which is what we are talking about here) has to be consistent to be believable. Making a ship a high speed bullet by going into hyperspace seems fine enough, cept it is not consistent with the movie right before it nor was it consistent with the movie before that one where they could hyperspace into atmosphere. It sure did look cool though.....
I think those ships didn't speed up to light speed at time so the force was not enough to make a thing of that transport. Those who did speed up escaped during the tiny window when Devastator was not in the vector.
But my physics are not good and mean nothing in star wars universe.
The one thing this film has done for me is just cement the fact that Disney wants you to read all the books/ play all the games / watch the tv shows for the extra little bits. I will assume we hear more about Snoke in the next film, but that there will be a novel about him in there as well that will really illuminate his rise to power.
It's fine, because so far most of the extra material has been Not bad to really good. But it's extra stuff that I have to buy.
29 minutes ago, draco193 said:The one thing this film has done for me is just cement the fact that Disney wants you to read all the books/ play all the games / watch the tv shows for the extra little bits. I will assume we hear more about Snoke in the next film, but that there will be a novel about him in there as well that will really illuminate his rise to power.
It's fine, because so far most of the extra material has been Not bad to really good. But it's extra stuff that I have to buy.
I don't have any issue with this, because I was going to buy all of it anyway....
On 12/15/2017 at 7:23 AM, Darth Lupine said:I want to know the name of the commander of the Mandator class....that guy is my new hero, lol. Kept fighting his ship to the end, incredibly hard bitten and professional, unlike Hux. The look on his face as his ship went down was utter contempt and defiance. Awesome.
His name is Captain Moden Canady (by the way, I rather liked his character too). He was an ex-Imperial officer (ISD Solicitude ), which explained why he seemed to have a demeanor that most of the FO officers lacked...
5 minutes ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:His name is Captain Moden Canady (by the way, I rather liked his character too). He was an ex-Imperial officer (ISD Solicitude ), which explained why he seemed to have a demeanor that most of the FO officers lacked...
Ah, now there's an entry, thanks!
TLJ was a flawed, yet fun, romp in the Star Wars universe.
The old guard handed the baton to the youngsters. Luke had an amazing send off.
There was goofy stuff with the ships in space (fuel, flying Leia, ramming, etc.), but the heart of the story was in the right place.
Yoda himself states the thesis of this movie: failure is how we grow.
Nearly every plan in the movie ends in failure, both for the FO and the Resistance. But the two sides react differently to their failure and this is how we can see the difference between the two.
7 hours ago, Gallanteer said:The humour worked and was in context. Poe and Hux - a distraction so Poe could get close to attack - very Han Solo. Porgs for chewies meal - Chewie thinks with his stomach in ROTJ. Luke throwing the lightsaber is him distancing himself from his jedi past. Luke whacking Rey with the branch - very Yoda and Luke in ESB. Luke brushing his shoulder was to wind up Kylo and make him face him 1 on 1. Lukes last line - a direct homage to his fallen best friend Han. Porgs in the Falcon were fine and added a bit of levity to tense moments which simply increased the enjoyment of those scenes without being distracting. Chewie's Tarzan roar in ROTJ was far worse.
I agree with these specific humor moments (though Lukes shoulder wipe was so out of era—I believe someone’s complaint earlier was that it felt too American). I thought the Porgs were very properly used with relation to Chewie and not just a marketing ploy. He’s always been comic relief (which is what made Hans death scene so much more painful for me—the big goofy furball wasn’t feeling so goofy when his best friend died in front of him)
MTF on my review
So I have some thoughts about this whole "hyperspace ramming" discussion. There were a few quotes in the movies that seemed to infer that a failed hyper space jump could land parts of a small ship in several systems. Perhaps then the reason hyperspace weaponry was never really built upon was the risk of inaccuracy?
If you miss with a turbolaser, that bolt will carry until the gas is consumed and the bolt breaks down, no harm done, you jump a torpedo into hyperspace and miss... it could hit a planet with enough force to wipe out an entire city.
Even if the torpedo hits, how much of that weapon is dispersed at the target area? After all we're talking about materials traveling faster than the speed of light, how long does it take materials accelerated to that kind of speed to slow.... will chunks of that explosive end up hitting a caravan of civilians 5 systems away?
We really can't even infer how much of the raddus was vaporized and how much of it got dumped across it's trajectory.
Also consider the dangers of having weapons with independent hyperdrives aboard a ship. One crossed wire. An impact shock. Even something as simple as a missdetonation. All the sudden half your ship just got ripped into hyperspace.
I think this is one of those moments where people didn't use it as a weapon because the risks well outweighed the rewards.
2 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:So I have some thoughts about this whole "hyperspace ramming" discussion. There were a few quotes in the movies that seemed to infer that a failed hyper space jump could land parts of a small ship in several systems. Perhaps then the reason hyperspace weaponry was never really built upon was the risk of inaccuracy?
If you miss with a turbolaser, that bolt will carry until the gas is consumed and the bolt breaks down, no harm done, you jump a torpedo into hyperspace and miss... it could hit a planet with enough force to wipe out an entire city.
Even if the torpedo hits, how much of that weapon is dispersed at the target area? After all we're talking about materials traveling faster than the speed of light, how long does it take materials accelerated to that kind of speed to slow.... will chunks of that explosive end up hitting a caravan of civilians 5 systems away?
We really can't even infer how much of the raddus was vaporized and how much of it got dumped across it's trajectory.
Also consider the dangers of having weapons with independent hyperdrives aboard a ship. One crossed wire. An impact shock. Even something as simple as a missdetonation. All the sudden half your ship just got ripped into hyperspace.
I think this is one of those moments where people didn't use it as a weapon because the risks well outweighed the rewards.
Coordinates and trajectory also have to be extremely precise, otherwise you can just end up hitting a planet or star
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Anakin hyperspace through a star in some weird (yet canonical) Clone Wars epidsode? I think the Raddus was able to cause damage because it had not yet entered hyperspace, but was about to. Once in hyperspace I guess our physics no longer apply and stuff, so it might have been more of a gamble than a proven damage dealer....
2 minutes ago, BillHimclaw said:didn't Anakin hyperspace through a star in some weird (yet canonical) Clone Wars epidsode?
To be honest I don't know. I used TCW cartoons as background noise to SWtOR lol
In my review of TLJ—I didn’t love it, I don’t, not yet. Maybe episode IX can turn that around for me, but I definitely enjoyed the movie. The hype from the non-spoiler reviews definitely set me up for disappointment on this one, but after looking at it objectively and without the hype, I thought it was decent.
Snokes death and Rey’s reveal (I really don’t think Kylo lies about it) were definitely blue balled moments for me, even though that scene and Rey’s arc were 2/3 of my favorite parts in the movie.
The reason I can say I enjoyed it and didn’t hate it, is because I’ve taken a step back and looked at (influenced by talking with others) why Snoke dies and why Rey comes from nothing.
People were really worried about a straight up repeat of the OT, and they had good reason given TFA. Snoke’s death and Rey’s humble beginnings revealed here leave the floor wide open for episode IX. They’ve already gone past the possibility of redoing RoTJ in this trilogy. Kylo becomes a much more solidified villain by the movie’s end, and Rey has already gone to great lengths to return him to the light (despite still not really knowing what she’s doing).
So despite any gripes I have about the little things (or the big, 1 hour long, and completely unnecessary romp through hand waved plot holes), I’m content with the major themes and story arc. And TLJ managed to partially vindicate TFA for me (was tied with Phantom Menace, currently 1 step above). I believe that episode XI will bring a satisfactory end.
Not thrilled, but also not disappointed.