I find it sad that's there's so many making excuses and/or trying to write off any opinion that presents the film in a negative light or anything less than great. It's not a perfect film nor is a terrible film.
Star Wars The Last Jedi [Spoiler Thread]
6 minutes ago, Kubernes said:I find it sad that's there's so many making excuses and/or trying to write off any opinion that presents the film in a negative light or anything less than great. It's not a perfect film nor is a terrible film.
The word I would use for this Episode is uneven. It does have some tremendous peaks, but it also has some disheartening valleys. It seems from all the internet talk I’m hearing is that some people cant get there head out of the peaks, while others can’t escape the valleys.
Here's what I want for episode IX based on all that happened on episode VIII
-Long time lapse
-First Order after establishing control over part of the galaxy also used their Unknown Regions knowledge to try and add it to the known galaxy under their rule.
-In the process, they confront the Chiss Ascendancy, who join the effort of the Rebellion in order to bring down the First Order
-Rebellion increases their numbers with help that was scattered accross outer-rim, and remanescents of New Republic provide support
-Rey went in a quest for the true balance of the force, and after years researching the story of the Sith, she discovers how to bring balance to the force
-Kylo Ren continues as an impulsive supreme leader, he decides to settle in Darth Vader's castle in Mustafar, and make of the planet the main base of operations to the First Order
-Leia died during that time of natural causes, the first scene shows her funeral, held in Chandrilla and we get to see an older Mon Mothma crying.
-Rey goes after Kylo attempting to show him how they must unite forces not to rule the galaxy, but to keep the peace in it, and create an academy of a new era for the jedi (grey jedis, but not explicitly said as so) (LIGHT)
-Kylo still believes that the true way to keep the galaxy in peace is to rule it (DARK)
-Big Mustafar fight, while the Rebellion and Chiss launch a galaxy wide attack on First order ships, combining the strategy of the Chiss and determination and hope of Resistance fighters.
-Poe has learned from episode VIII, becomes a general. And alongside Thrawn and Eli Vanto, leads the main attack in the space of Mustafar against a still repairing Supremacy, where Hux leads the first order fleet, now with improved fighter screen, including bombers and many more interceptors in order to counter the Resistance fighers, and Dreadnoughts for the Chiss fleet.
-The Chiss knowledge of hyperlanes also allows them to precisely flank the first order, which is another reason for the First Order investing in fighter squadrons
-Ghosts of Revan, Anakin, Sidious, Obi-wan,Yoda and Luke show up to support Rey, Kylo and the Knights of Ren are confronted by the ghosts along Rey then as the connection she gained with the force allowed her to help the ghosts to manifest physically temporarily. The main fight is still between Rey and Kylo, and focuses on how they are counterparts of the sides of the force that must keep the balance, but each with their views of how turned differently
As for rating the movies those born before 1990 tend to rate the OT and ST higher than the Prequels.
For me (1970) the order currently stands as:
5, 6, 4, R1, 8, 7, 3, 2, 1 in descending order.
4 and R1 are almost inseperable. I almost ranked 7 above 8 why? Because although 8 is great and original, 7 just had more emotion in it. The story pushes 8 above 7 (just). And the prequels aren't terrible just very, very bland and devoid of any emotion apart from an odd scene in each.
As long as JJ gives me a PROPER send off for the original trio somehow, Luke still appears in Ep9 and turns in a pivitol role whilst the rest are the main stars, I'll be happy.
And FWIW Now Poe has no ship, I can see him and Chewie teaming up on the Falcon - he's no leader but I'd love to see him throwing the Falcon around.
Edited by Gallanteer
Thought I'd post a few thoughts on the movie. It wasn't awful, it also wasn't great. It was a movie and ignoring the movies that came before it I suppose it could be seen as a pretty funny/decent movie. My friends and I.. all huge Star Wars fans.. have been discussing this at length and have all come out feeling basically the same. We enjoyed ep 7 and thought it set up some great stuff for 8. We were all left disappointed after viewing this and the disappointment grows with time/thinking/discussion.
Stuff that was really good:
-The relationship between Kylo and Rey.. that was great.. very compelling.
-The relationship between Luke and Kylo.. also interesting.
But then.... Stuff that was not so good:
-Finn, Rose, Poe, Phasma, Snoke, Knights of Ren, and even Leia mostly were just wasted. No point to anything they did. Finna and Rose could have just not existed except for the unnecessary mission Poe sends them on. That whole thing could have been cut from the movie and served no purpose.
-Along with that.. do I need Star Wars preaching to me about weapons dealers? Nope.. SW is escapism. Some people may have enjoyed that but it was pretty heavy-handed and it didn't even serve the plot.. at all.
-Snoke... just dies.. that's it.. dead. I have hope here that maybe he'll be back...
-Miniaturized Death Star tech? Ok I get that I guess.. I can handle it. Why did we land it so far away from where we need to use it again?
- Kylo as a believable leader... he's just too angry, almost cartoonishly so. And the interplay between him and Hux was not my favorite thing.
Stuff that was just bad.. really really bad:
-Flying Space Leia.. wow
- FO ship commanders making smart remarks like "of course they are" before something bad happens. Not professional and not what a commander would do. Part of the humor Ill talk about later that I just don't like.
-Luke brushing off his shoulder.. really?
-Leia's "I changed my hair" like.. ugh.. Way to ruin what could have been a cool moment with stupid humor that isn't natural for the characters. Same goes for Luke throwing the light saber over his shoulder. That was just for us.. the fans. It's the only reason it was in there and Star Wars isn't about that kind of thing.
So that is my biggest overall complaint about the movie. The humor, while funny, was out of place. There was too much wink wink at the fans watching the movie and when it happened, for me, it completely took me out of the story and killed any emotion that might have been building. That kind of self-aware humor has no place in SW. The Marvel movies have tons of it and it's great! I love it there! It works really well and isn't jarring. Here, every time it happened I laughed.. but then was disappointed that it had happened because the story suffered for it. 4,5,6,7.. and even the prequels have humor, but it is not done this way. It is things that are naturally said by the characters to other characters. None of it is done just for the fans as sort of an inside joke. Star Wars characters have never been self-aware like that.. not even in the Clone Wars or Rebels. It was like watching some love-fest for the fans. Suffice it to say I really didn't like that part. And since many of these comments are stolen straight from my buddy I watched the movie with and I have heard similar things echoed by all I've talked to about the movie, my anecdotal evidence suggests I'm not alone here.
12 minutes ago, durandal343 said:Thought I'd post a few thoughts on the movie. It wasn't awful, it also wasn't great. It was a movie and ignoring the movies that came before it I suppose it could be seen as a pretty funny/decent movie. My friends and I.. all huge Star Wars fans.. have been discussing this at length and have all come out feeling basically the same. We enjoyed ep 7 and thought it set up some great stuff for 8. We were all left disappointed after viewing this and the disappointment grows with time/thinking/discussion.
Stuff that was really good:
-The relationship between Kylo and Rey.. that was great.. very compelling.
-The relationship between Luke and Kylo.. also interesting.
But then.... Stuff that was not so good:
-Finn, Rose, Poe, Phasma, Snoke, Knights of Ren, and even Leia mostly were just wasted. No point to anything they did. Finna and Rose could have just not existed except for the unnecessary mission Poe sends them on. That whole thing could have been cut from the movie and served no purpose.
-Along with that.. do I need Star Wars preaching to me about weapons dealers? Nope.. SW is escapism. Some people may have enjoyed that but it was pretty heavy-handed and it didn't even serve the plot.. at all.
-Snoke... just dies.. that's it.. dead. I have hope here that maybe he'll be back...
-Miniaturized Death Star tech? Ok I get that I guess.. I can handle it. Why did we land it so far away from where we need to use it again?
- Kylo as a believable leader... he's just too angry, almost cartoonishly so. And the interplay between him and Hux was not my favorite thing.
Stuff that was just bad.. really really bad:
-Flying Space Leia.. wow
- FO ship commanders making smart remarks like "of course they are" before something bad happens. Not professional and not what a commander would do. Part of the humor Ill talk about later that I just don't like.
-Luke brushing off his shoulder.. really?
-Leia's "I changed my hair" like.. ugh.. Way to ruin what could have been a cool moment with stupid humor that isn't natural for the characters. Same goes for Luke throwing the light saber over his shoulder. That was just for us.. the fans. It's the only reason it was in there and Star Wars isn't about that kind of thing.
So that is my biggest overall complaint about the movie. The humor, while funny, was out of place. There was too much wink wink at the fans watching the movie and when it happened, for me, it completely took me out of the story and killed any emotion that might have been building. That kind of self-aware humor has no place in SW. The Marvel movies have tons of it and it's great! I love it there! It works really well and isn't jarring. Here, every time it happened I laughed.. but then was disappointed that it had happened because the story suffered for it. 4,5,6,7.. and even the prequels have humor, but it is not done this way. It is things that are naturally said by the characters to other characters. None of it is done just for the fans as sort of an inside joke. Star Wars characters have never been self-aware like that.. not even in the Clone Wars or Rebels. It was like watching some love-fest for the fans. Suffice it to say I really didn't like that part. And since many of these comments are stolen straight from my buddy I watched the movie with and I have heard similar things echoed by all I've talked to about the movie, my anecdotal evidence suggests I'm not alone here.
Hit the nail on the head with all of these. It was like a cheesy parody rather than an immersive alternate universe experience...
I mean a ******* hardware wars reference with a flying steam iron? The whole thing was tongue-in cheek while simultaneously undercutting all the serious emotion and story established by the previous films
Yup apparently the humor has created quite a rift:
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-last-jedi-humor-defend/
Being a smart@$$ myself I actually really liked it. My favorite was Poe messing with Huxx at the beginning. Loved it.
7 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:Yup apparently the humor has created quite a rift:
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-last-jedi-humor-defend/
Being a smart@$$ myself I actually really liked it. My favorite was Poe messing with Huxx at the beginning. Loved it.
Oh yeah.. It was funny.. but was it Star Wars? Or was it just Guardians of the Galaxy in the SW universe.
Just now, durandal343 said:but was it Star Wars
Yes.
Just now, Darth Sanguis said:Yes.
I disagree.
Marvel with a Star Wars skin
So now using humor makes it Marvel? 
If this can be considered "Star Wars"
Then a couple of jokes aren't an issue. I'd rather have jokes than this mess any day.
(When didn't Star Wars have humor? Did I miss something? )
Just now, CaribbeanNinja said:So now using humor makes it Marvel?
Using 4th wall breaking humor with a constant *wink wink nudge nudge* to the audience does.
When have any of the other movies had characters that were making self aware jokes and references constantly?
1 minute ago, MandalorianMoose said:Using 4th wall breaking humor with a constant *wink wink nudge nudge* to the audience does.
When have any of the other movies had characters that were making self aware jokes and references constantly?
where was this? 4th wall break?
1 minute ago, Truthiness said:
Tried to read this burn clickbait is clickbait and it kept redirecting to different pages or showing ads :/
3 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:Using 4th wall breaking humor with a constant *wink wink nudge nudge* to the audience does.
When have any of the other movies had characters that were making self aware jokes and references constantly?
Yeah your 4th wall is a lot thinner than mine.
5 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:where was this? 4th wall break?
Luke dusting off his shoulder, throwing the lightsaber, drinking that seal milk, etc- I could almost see him looking into the camera after like a scene from the office.
The flying iron from hardware Wars, Finn like, the entire movie.
Porgs basically yelling “buy my stuffed animal!” Through the scre
Edited by MandalorianMooseNot 4th wall at all. IMO of course.
To be fair, a lot of those laughs were unintentional
*holds hand out like superman to fly back to a ship
2 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:Not 4th wall at all. IMO of course.
Everyone is entitled to your opinions of course. I’m glad it didn’t ruin it for you, i just felt myself coming out of that immersive viewing experience every time it happened
6 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:Tried to read this burn clickbait is clickbait and it kept redirecting to different pages or showing ads :/
Huh. Sorry about that. Not having that issue on this end, otherwise I never would have linked it.
9 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:Luke dusting off his shoulder, throwing the lightsaber, drinking that seal milk, etc- I could almost see him looking into the camera after like a scene from the office.
The flying iron from hardware Wars, Finn like, the entire movie.
Porgs basically yelling “buy my stuffed animal!” Through the scre
Agreed, and so much more agreement. SW characters just do not do that. They never have before and I don't really want them to start.
17 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:So now using humor makes it Marvel?
No. SW is funny! Just not THAT kind of funny. SW is about building an immersive experience, to me, and the jokes.. intentionally aware of an audience.. destroy that feeling.
I think, out of everything in the entire movie, the one thing that bothered me the most was the military incompetence of both the Resistance and the First Order.
First, in the first space battle when all the Resurgent-class SDs came to drop bombs, no one scrambled fighters? Come the F on. It's almost like getting your **** packed in by small fighter classes is your hallmark regardless if you're the Empire or FO. Even the flight decks of the new Star Destroyers were designed to allow faster starfighter deployment, hence the massive overbite look. But yeah, after losing 2 Death Stars and Starkiller base to fighter actions, let's not fly CAP or run fleet protection sorties in any combat scenario. End result? Dead Dreadnought.
Second, did anyone for a second think that you can weaponize hyperspace travel and use it as a giant space railgun? Something capable of destroying multiple SDs and the Mega-class SD itself? Apparently, all it takes is a single MC85 going hyperspace, aimed remotely in the same direction as the enemy fleet and you got a weapon more powerful than the Death Star or Starkiller base. I mean, this technology (meaning Hyperspace travel) has been around since before the Old Republic. Who cares though, it's more dramatic watching the FO blow up like 28/30 transport ships before using this sick strat. I know the original plan was to cloak the transport ships and then bait the FO fleet away, but what do you think would be better? 1. Cloak the transport ships, turn the MC85 around and then hyperspacefuckyou the enemy fleet immediately, or 2. cloak the transport ships, run away with the MC85 and die anyway without taking any of those shitters with you. But nah man, 3. cloak the transport ships, wait until the FO kills 95% of your people, and then opt for Option 1. HNNNNNNNNNNGH.
Third, Finn was about to Randy Quaid his *** into the Death Star wannabe beam ID4 style but instead gets blue-balled by some random he met on the same day just so she can say "I love you". At this point, **** was bad enough that I said WHY NOT. I was hoping that one of those semi-sentient space penguin things would just shoot me in the face and get it over with.
You know what? Rogue One is still my favorite Star Wars movie of all time. You know why? It really gave me a sense of heroic sacrifice in a war-torn, unfair military scenario. The sense of scale was perfect, and I understood through the tone of the movie that good people have to give their lives for a mere chance that something can come out of it. In these recent movies? There's none of that at all. Everything is too giddy and mainstream, and even when things seem lost, I know I can just force pull myself back to safety from the vacuum of space. Come on man..
5/10, maybe.
26 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:Yes.
eh..
I see you posting about how it's better than the prequels.. and yeah.. way better. But it just doesn't work to build up an immersive experience in a foreign world when you're constantly being reminded by the actors that they know they are actors and are aware that they are just performing for you. There is no immersion and you keep getting pulled back up to the surface.. no depth at all. The best part of 4,5,6.. and even 1,2,3 even thought they are terrible.. is that you get lost in the SW world. With this kind of humor they are doing we're veering into Space Balls territory. That was a funny movie, but it's not what SW should be... IMO. I want SW to be funny and have jokes.. but in-world things that a character might actually say to another character oblivious of the audience.