Bahahahahaha. Of course Nazis would hate a movie where space Nazis are the bad guys. Oh alt-right and 4chan, you never cease to amuse me.

10 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

Bahahahahaha. Of course Nazis would hate a movie where space Nazis are the bad guys. Oh alt-right and 4chan, you never ceases to amuse me.

You would think that, with the OT made in the late 70s and early 80s, that they might realize that the Galactic Empire might have been a critique of the USSR more than Nazi Germany. Although, TFA did change that motif with the clear Nuremberg Rally homage.

Reminder!! Opening Weekend is barely coming to a close. Keep your spoilers to yourself outside of threads like this!

Resist the urge to make jokes or subtle references or any such thing in other threads, because many people still will not have seen it by now.

I have seen spoilers posted in every Armada forum I frequent, including Facebook groups. It's incredibly disappointing.

2 hours ago, Truthiness said:

I could not disagree more. I commend Johnson for having the guts to kill Ackbar in such a sudden, violent, and painful fashion. Soliders die deaths like that in war all the time. War sucks. You lose people that you don't want to lose and it happens in an instant. Audiences coming to see a movie with "war" in the title need to be reminded of that.

If I sound like I'm being hostile, I sincerely apologise. You've just kind of hit a personal pet peeve. I completely understand the desire for a more meaningful or epic death for such a beloved character. Those moments are so rare in real life, though. It physically hurts when someone says dying suddenly in war is forgettable. In my head that translates to "all those Soldiers that died in Iraq and Afghanistan are forgettable." I recognize that's an extreme over reaction, but that's where my mind goes nonetheless.

And now that I've put a bummer on the whole thread, let's talk about how awesome Mark Hamill was.

I get what you’re saying and I’d agree with you in full (probably wouldn’t have even mentioned it in the first place) if not for the source material.

It’s Star Wars, man, not something by George RR Martin.

2 hours ago, Truthiness said:

I could not disagree more. I commend Johnson for having the guts to kill Ackbar in such a sudden, violent, and painful fashion. Soliders die deaths like that in war all the time. War sucks. You lose people that you don't want to lose and it happens in an instant. Audiences coming to see a movie with "war" in the title need to be reminded of that.

If I sound like I'm being hostile, I sincerely apologise. You've just kind of hit a personal pet peeve. I completely understand the desire for a more meaningful or epic death for such a beloved character. Those moments are so rare in real life, though. It physically hurts when someone says dying suddenly in war is forgettable. In my head that translates to "all those Soldiers that died in Iraq and Afghanistan are forgettable." I recognize that's an extreme over reaction, but that's where my mind goes nonetheless.

And now that I've put a bummer on the whole thread, let's talk about how awesome Mark Hamill was.

If there was anything at all resembling real war movie, I would have had no problem with it. But nothing made sense militarily in that movie. Plus none of the other character shows get that shafted. And we meet some random lady and She gets the bad *** death, even though we just met her, that was lame (but the actual ram was awesome!). It was not a war movie, it was a fantasy movie, he is a beloved character, give the fans a little bit more.

2 hours ago, Truthiness said:

I could not disagree more. I commend Johnson for having the guts to kill Ackbar in such a sudden, violent, and painful fashion. Soliders die deaths like that in war all the time. War sucks. You lose people that you don't want to lose and it happens in an instant. Audiences coming to see a movie with "war" in the title need to be reminded of that.

If I sound like I'm being hostile, I sincerely apologise. You've just kind of hit a personal pet peeve. I completely understand the desire for a more meaningful or epic death for such a beloved character. Those moments are so rare in real life, though. It physically hurts when someone says dying suddenly in war is forgettable. In my head that translates to "all those Soldiers that died in Iraq and Afghanistan are forgettable." I recognize that's an extreme over reaction, but that's where my mind goes nonetheless.

And now that I've put a bummer on the whole thread, let's talk about how awesome Mark Hamill was.

Holy s*** this is what Mark Hamill can do? Why hasn't he been cast in more?

(watches "Tosche Station" quote repeatedly like a Zapruder film)

Oh. Darn. Well, at least he still seems pretty awesome, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Force Ghost Mark in 9 (or they'll R1 Tarkin up Carrie Fisher, I suppose....)

1 hour ago, Astrodar said:

Reminder!! Opening Weekend is barely coming to a close. Keep your spoilers to yourself outside of threads like this!

Resist the urge to make jokes or subtle references or any such thing in other threads, because many people still will not have seen it by now.

I have seen spoilers posted in every Armada forum I frequent, including Facebook groups. It's incredibly disappointing.

tl;dr

nobody discuss FUEL

1 hour ago, geek19 said:

Holy s*** this is what Mark Hamill can do? Why hasn't he been cast in more?

(watches "Tosche Station" quote repeatedly like a Zapruder film)

Oh. Darn. Well, at least he still seems pretty awesome, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Force Ghost Mark in 9 (or they'll R1 Tarkin up Carrie Fisher, I suppose....)

Mark was so great! The Luke/Rey scenes were really what made it for me... could have used more of these... if the whole movie was just luke/rey or rey/kylo, or luke/kylo, it would have been just fine by me. though I did enjoy del toro character. sort of a dark side lando that doesn't eventually join your cause, but sells you out instead.

also hilarious scene with puffins guilt tripping Chewbacca for eating them! vegan propaganda?

On 12/14/2017 at 7:12 PM, Dr alex said:

Just got back from watching it, it was freaking awesome. Lots of laugh out loud moments, loads of deliberate parodies of other moments in Star Wars and various other things, very subtle foreshadowing of key plot points (Rey’s theme is completely unlike anyone else’s and you hear it about 20 mins before it is clarified she is no one special’s daughter) the humour is laugh out loud excellent not jar jar blinks awful, the characters develop, light and dark merge, it carries lots of metaphores for a post Trump world, even the super subtle stable boy using the force to grab a broom 6” away is very well done and very subtle.

defintitey either the best or second best Star Wars film with rogue one being the other.

Best or second best Star Wars film? Uh... you mean not including the original trilogy or something? Because it certainly was not better than any of the original three. Wasn't better than Rogue One either I don't think.

32 minutes ago, Lord Ashram said:

Best or second best Star Wars film? Uh... you mean not including the original trilogy or something? Because it certainly was not better than any of the original three. Wasn't better than Rogue One either I don't think.

Porgs aren't annoying compared to Ewoks though...

Episode 9 spoiler: Snoke's not dead.

Discuss.

20 minutes ago, D503 said:

Episode 9 spoiler: Snoke's not dead.

Discuss.

He’s just gonna be back with no explanation. No metal legs or anything either. Just like it didn’t even happen in the previous movie. Tough **** if the audience is confused

Sadly Erik Bauersfeld who voice the famous "It's a trap" line passed away last year at the age of 93, as did Kenny Baker and of course Fisher. Tough year. I rather those characters be retired than given replacement actors, although they seem to have replaced Ackbar's voice actor. Just as well Ackbar passes on and R2 gets a small cameo. Let Disney play with their new characters and leave the old ones to history where they belong. It is a big galaxy, they don't need to be doing Young Whoever movies. New stuff with new characters is great. Leave the old ones alone.

Yes, Mark Hamil has always been a fantastic actor. Sadly he got type cast as Luke and had to find work in voice acting where he really showed his talent. He also wasn't pretty enough, especially after his accident, and when you are an actor, pretty matters, a lot. He's actually a better actor than Harrison Ford, who phones it in way too often. Hamil loves to work when he gets the chance and it shows.

Snoke is two things, dead and a prop. The main trilogies are about the Skywalkers, not some random dude named Snoke (worst name ever). Ben Solo is the villain of this trilogy. Snoke is a prop, a latter for Ben to climb. The movies were Ben vs Han, Ben vs Luke and clearly it was set up to be Ben vs Leia for EP9, sadly never going to get that movie. Carrie Fisher was really good in this movie. Clearly found her acting chops again and was doing really good work before she past. Would have loved to have seen the mother vs son movie. I guess now all we get is a Rey vs Ben movie to conclude the Skywalker story. In light of Fisher's passing they should have left Luke alive, really no need to kill him, didn't advance the story at all, and had him replace Leia's roll in EP9.

Another sad thought, we still don't have the Rogue 1 ship and it has been a year. Several cool ships which could find their way to Armada, if anyone cared to put them out there, but they don't. We will see them eventually......

On 12/15/2017 at 10:54 PM, MandalorianMoose said:

no character development just punch lines every 3 minutes on que...

so, here's what I saw from our 4 current generation characters:

Poe: He needs to calm down and think like a leader, not like a lone wolf. He screws this up multiple times to the expense of himself and others. Because of him the fleet lost their whole bomber wing (and associated crew) and only a few transports survived the flight off the Raddus. Him sending Finn (and Rose) to find the codebreaker directly caused the death of everyone in the transports. He's lucky Leia doesn't have him shot for Insubordination, Dereliction of Duty and Mutiny. By the time they get to the salt planet he has learned his lesson and calls off the speeder attack rather then making a suicide run. A lot of people had to die for him to learn his lesson but he seems to have learned it.

Finn: Ever since the attack on Jakku Finn has been running. He's just trying to get away from the First Order. He won't choose sides and the only reason he stuck around at all was because he wanted to help rescue Rey. He only followed Poe's misguided mission because he wanted to save Rey. His whole character arc is seeing that you've got to choose a side. He makes his choice when he see's the consequences of people who won't choose a side. He finally chooses. He has a cause to die for. Then rose shows him that there's a cause to live for and that's way heavier.

Rey: She's been waiting for her parents to return and now she's been chasing after parental figures. There was probably some of the with Unkar Plutt at some point. Recently it was Han and then Luke. Through her experience in the cave and her conversations with Kylo she learns that she is not where she came from but rather who she is. I'm pretty sure Kylo was just riffing when he said that her parents sold her for drinking money but that's not the important point. The point is that she's got to make her own way and be a self-realized adult. She takes charge of her own destiny by refusing Kylo's offer and be going back to save the rebels.

Kylo: His arc is a bit of Rey and a bit of all three of them. He's got to be a leader, he's got to stop living in the shadow of his parents (and parental figures) and he has to choose a side. He does all of these three things. Darth Vader was a man who was caught in the tides of his circumstances. Everything he did was reactionary. Reaction to slavery, reaction to being shut out by the jedi council, reaction to being cooped up with Padme, reaction to his nightmares, reaction to being manipulated by Sidious, reaction to being maimed by Dooku, Reaction to losing to Obi Wan and getting put in the suit. The closest he ever comes to having any kind of agency in the movies is when he tempts Luke on Bespin. Even then he didn't act against his master overtly until he saw that Luke was going to die and was again reactive. Kylo Ren has taken his own destiny in his hands.

All four of these characters are at a vastly different place than they were when the movie started. All of them have been taken out of their respective comfort zones and none of them can go back to the way life was before. You can say that isn't character development but you're ignoring the facts in front of your face.

14 hours ago, D503 said:

Episode 9 spoiler: Snoke's not dead.

Discuss.

Yeah the very clear shot of his lifeless torso on the ground with tongue lolled out on the floor immediately folled by being on an exploding ship kinda seals it for me. They showed the body.

Phasma could come back but I really hope that they did her like Jango and Boba.

In hindsight, Maz's line to Rey in TFA appropriately foreshadowed the revelation about Rey's parentage: "The belonging you seek is not behind you, it is ahead."

I feel like this is a bit of a lesson for the audience too; don't focus on Rey's backstory, because it's not important. Her importance to the saga lies in her future.

I quite liked the revelation that her parents are nobodies. It says that anyone can be a hero, even if your parents aren't legends. Kylo Ren has got enough family baggage for the sequel trilogy - the other characters don't need any.

The real question: who is the father of the porg that Chewie cooked? Episode IX: Porg Father'S Revenge?

18 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

so, here's what I saw from our 4 current generation characters:

Poe: He needs to calm down and think like a leader, not like a lone wolf. He screws this up multiple times to the expense of himself and others. Because of him the fleet lost their whole bomber wing (and associated crew) and only a few transports survived the flight off the Raddus. Him sending Finn (and Rose) to find the codebreaker directly caused the death of everyone in the transports. He's lucky Leia doesn't have him shot for Insubordination, Dereliction of Duty and Mutiny. By the time they get to the salt planet he has learned his lesson and calls off the speeder attack rather then making a suicide run. A lot of people had to die for him to learn his lesson but he seems to have learned it.

Finn: Ever since the attack on Jakku Finn has been running. He's just trying to get away from the First Order. He won't choose sides and the only reason he stuck around at all was because he wanted to help rescue Rey. He only followed Poe's misguided mission because he wanted to save Rey. His whole character arc is seeing that you've got to choose a side. He makes his choice when he see's the consequences of people who won't choose a side. He finally chooses. He has a cause to die for. Then rose shows him that there's a cause to live for and that's way heavier.

Rey: She's been waiting for her parents to return and now she's been chasing after parental figures. There was probably some of the with Unkar Plutt at some point. Recently it was Han and then Luke. Through her experience in the cave and her conversations with Kylo she learns that she is not where she came from but rather who she is. I'm pretty sure Kylo was just riffing when he said that her parents sold her for drinking money but that's not the important point. The point is that she's got to make her own way and be a self-realized adult. She takes charge of her own destiny by refusing Kylo's offer and be going back to save the rebels.

Kylo: His arc is a bit of Rey and a bit of all three of them. He's got to be a leader, he's got to stop living in the shadow of his parents (and parental figures) and he has to choose a side. He does all of these three things. Darth Vader was a man who was caught in the tides of his circumstances. Everything he did was reactionary. Reaction to slavery, reaction to being shut out by the jedi council, reaction to being cooped up with Padme, reaction to his nightmares, reaction to being manipulated by Sidious, reaction to being maimed by Dooku, Reaction to losing to Obi Wan and getting put in the suit. The closest he ever comes to having any kind of agency in the movies is when he tempts Luke on Bespin. Even then he didn't act against his master overtly until he saw that Luke was going to die and was again reactive. Kylo Ren has taken his own destiny in his hands.

All four of these characters are at a vastly different place than they were when the movie started. All of them have been taken out of their respective comfort zones and none of them can go back to the way life was before. You can say that isn't character development but you're ignoring the facts in front of your face.

That is a really nice character summary! Thank you. Spot on stuff. Your Kylo stuff is excellent, i just wish he were more intelligent.

The thing is, none of my problems had to do with the main characters. I hated Poe after the first movie, I can stand him now. The Rey/Kylo stuff is awesome. I didn't hate the Finn stuff as much as a lot of people do. But the general plot, the world building, the tips of the hat to the old guard fans. All of that had big problems.

6 hours ago, Truthiness said:

Bahahahahaha. Of course Nazis would hate a movie where space Nazis are the bad guys. Oh alt-right and 4chan, you never cease to amuse me.

There are so many things to trigger the alt-right. A black character! An Asian female who is slightly heavier than average for Hollywood casting! Not one but *two* older women in positions of authority! etc.

I think the space nazis being the villains are the least of their worries.

I thought the movie was fantastic. It's not perfect but none of the original trilogy is objectively perfect either. Definitely one of my favourites of the entire cycle so far, original trilogy included!

1 hour ago, MandalorianMoose said:

He’s just gonna be back with no explanation. No metal legs or anything either. Just like it didn’t even happen in the previous movie. Tough **** if the audience is confused

Yep. Palpatine's clones, all over again. Each is more unstable than the last.

Overall I liked the movie. It had some great moments, and moments it fell flat. A few times I lost the Star Wars feel while watching it, and once I found myself looking at the time because it felt a little slow. I feel like the movie could have been condensed into a more focused story, not hopping from one plot-point to the next. I loved the Rey-Kylo-Luke interactions, but some of the comedy fell a little flat and didn't fit right. It was definitely a step up from TFA, but it doesn't come in breaking any records for me. The other plot holes are really what keep the movie from being a top Star Wars film to me.

My SW rankings: 3,2,R1,1,4,6,8,5,7

On 15.12.2017 at 2:23 PM, Darth Lupine said:

I want to know the name of the commander of the Mandator class....that guy is my new hero, lol. Kept fighting his ship to the end, incredibly hard bitten and professional, unlike Hux. The look on his face as his ship went down was utter contempt and defiance. Awesome.

Strange enough it seems, that a lot of aliens in the Casino have a name but not the Imperial Captain we always wanted.

7 minutes ago, DScipio said:

Strange enough it seems, that a lot of aliens in the Casino have a name but not the Imperial Captain we always wanted.

Captain Kanaidy isnt it? Hux says 'call captain kanaidy and his dreadnought to crush them!' Or something

Yeah he is great

9 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

Overall I liked the movie. It had some great moments, and moments it fell flat. A few times I lost the Star Wars feel while watching it, and once I found myself looking at the time because it felt a little slow. I feel like the movie could have been condensed into a more focused story, not hopping from one plot-point to the next. I loved the Rey-Kylo-Luke interactions, but some of the comedy fell a little flat and didn't fit right. It was definitely a step up from TFA, but it doesn't come in breaking any records for me. The other plot holes are really what keep the movie from being a top Star Wars film to me.

My SW rankings: 3,2,R1,1,4,6,8,5,7

Are your rankings best to worst, or worst to best? Because if it is the former, I have never seen anyone rank them like that. Nothing wrong with that, just my observation.

Mine would probably be 8, R1, 1, 5, 4, 7, 3, 6, 2 (best to worst)

As you can see mine is pretty out there too lol

One thing I've not noticed people mention is that although Poe disobeyed orders in his attack on the dreadnought it would have made very short work of the rebels if it had followed them through hyperspace. It was warming up its cannons to attack the MC85 after it had finished its ground bombardment. Assuming Poe hadn't attacked it the dreadnought would have popped out of hypersace right behind them with the other ships, warmed up its cannon and blown them to bits. So for all the talk of Poe's failure he actually saved the fleet with his attack.

On 17.12.2017 at 5:20 AM, Forresto said:

So for people not following the new canon and don't understand the state of the galaxy heres my summary from The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, the visual guides for both films, Bloodlines and the rest of the new canon and me stringing it together. Not 100 percent right but i've been reading a lot of wookiepedia and other sources recently so its fairly close.

Following Jakku and the Galactic concordance the New Republic demilitarised stripping it's fleet down by 80 to 90 percent. Most systems have to fend for themselves and crime sky rockets.

The New Republic Senate essentially gets jack done and never have control over the full galaxy, only a fraction with many systems becoming neutral or belonging to the neutered Imperial Remanant.

The First Order show up on the scene from the Unknown regions and the Imperial Remanent joins them. The First Order's efficiency and power frightens the New Republic and inspires Imperialists and Fascist sympathizers in the NR. They begin to send agents into the known galaxy to subvert opposition beginning a cold war with the NR who are unwilling to start a military conflict.

After Leia is revealed to be Vader's daughter and falls from grace in the NR senate, she forms the Resistance to counter the subterfuge of the FO.

When Starkiller Base wipes out the Hosnian System the New Republic leadership a large fleet is destroyed the New Republic is thrown into anarchy. There are still other fleets and fighter squadrons but they are scattered across many systems such as Chandrilla.

In the Last Jedi the First Order quickly takes advantage of the chaos and dispatch large fleets to all major systems where New Republic fleets are moored and obliterating them before they have time to regroup. There's a reason Poe says the dreadnought class star destroyers are fleet killers. Some fleets survived (the ones they called for help from Crait) and escaped to the outer rim so I suspect we will see the remnants of the New Republic Fleet in the next film, or at least parts of it.

By the time of the Last Jedi the First Order essentially has a stranglehold on huge swathes of the galaxy with most systems offering little resistance. The galaxy still hasn't recovered from the Galactic Civil War and I doubt most are prepared to fight another massive scale conflict.

Snoke and Hux are desperate to annihilate the Resistance because Leia and Rey are trying to bring Luke and the Jedi into the war, because they are symbols that could unify a capitulating galaxy. The First Order is winning the war.

What makes Ren killing Snoke so brilliant is that instead of this genius dark wizard controlling everything we have an impetuous kid running a massive military force with a general who wants to kill him. The First Order just super fascinating. I am beyond excited to see where they take this.

THIS should have been the opening crawl... not just "The First Order is now in controll".