19 minutes ago, Audio Weasel said:I figured it was something like that. I am a little surprised though. I would be more likely to leave off 2 due to the completely hamfisted romantic arc that nobody made look good.
2 is awful, but at least it tells us something...anything that moves the story. You could completely leave off 1 and lose nothing...so I do.
Sad to lose Darth Maul's duel though.
I saw it last night, in some ways it was amazing, in some i am just underwhelmed... I wanted space battles and capital ship combat, I got running away in a long drawn out process that I don't like or think fits within canon. Did I completely miss the vigil? What's the point of mounting bombs on the Ninka if it's just going to get blown up?
I really liked most of the movie but think I need another watching or two to take it all in. The plot seemed to drag in some points but over all wasn't bad, I didn't like the casino scene, but hope it leads to more in the next movie or a spinoff book or something with more of Del Toro.
I really liked the raddus bomb, it makes sense in my head with a ship having to accelerate to hit hyperspace, and not wanting to impact or be affected by a large gravity well for a little bit while it reaches a stable speed. Hits the command ship, turns into superfast shrapnel. I am more bothered by the lack of consistency when watching rogue one and they jump while in jedah's gravity well with hardly a thought.
1 minute ago, ryanabt said:2 is awful, but at least it tells us something...anything that moves the story. You could completely leave off 1 and lose nothing...so I do.
Sad to lose Darth Maul's duel though.
1 is the most irrelevant story in the saga apart from showing Anakin was a slave and how Obi became his master. Those points are semi interesting but something you could cover in 10 mins of another movie.
I love that Raddus invented the whole ramming Imperial ships then dies to have a ship named in his honor that rams the First Order fleet in a suicide light speed jump.
Edited by Forresto32 minutes ago, Forresto said:I love that Raddus invented the whole ramming Imperial ships then dies to have a ship named in his honor that rams the First Order fleet in a suicide light speed jump.
Ha! I didn't think of that. I'm not sure I love the light speed ram (I thought as a kid, and if that worked, they should have done that to the death star), but this fact almost negates my worries.
I would’ve liked to have seen the use of the Raddus as a ram done by Ackbar.
Imagine him turning the ship slowly and the crew on the bridge of the Supremacy believing the Raddus is moving for a last effort attack.
Then an imperial tech officer informs them that the Raddus is activating its Lightspeed engines, followed by the imperial officer in charge of the bridge turning from the tech officer to the window and saying “It’s a tra...”
Best way for Ackbar to go out.
As it is now, I’ve had enough of these characters that get introduced an hour before they die getting shoehorned into these heroic feel good situations. Ackbar was in command when they sank an SSD and destroyed the second Death Star. He’s a recognizable character by those who aren’t even into the EU lore of the series. He deserved that moment.
Now that I one hundred percent agree with.
Ackabr killed off screen basically was so dumb. He should've been the one to ram the Supremacy with Holdo living to be the admiral in the next film. She was too cool a character to just kill off especially with Leia out of the picture. Oh well.
Edited by Forresto53 minutes ago, Flavorabledeez said:I would’ve liked to have seen the use of the Raddus as a ram done by Ackbar.
Imagine him turning the ship slowly and the crew on the bridge of the Supremacy believing the Raddus is moving for a last effort attack.
Then an imperial tech officer informs them that the Raddus is activating its Lightspeed engines, followed by the imperial officer in charge of the bridge turning from the tech officer to the window and saying “It’s a tra...”
Best way for Ackbar to go out.
As it is now, I’ve had enough of these characters that get introduced an hour before they die getting shoehorned into these heroic feel good situations. Ackbar was in command when they sank an SSD and destroyed the second Death Star. He’s a recognizable character by those who aren’t even into the EU lore of the series. He deserved that moment.
The guy who did Ackbar's voice died, so they may have meant this as a send off.
1 hour ago, ryanabt said:2 is awful, but at least it tells us something...anything that moves the story. You could completely leave off 1 and lose nothing...so I do.
Sad to lose Darth Maul's duel though.
Now, the whole Maul duel is what makes ep 1 for me.... Maybe that's just me
5 minutes ago, Audio Weasel said:Now, the whole Maul duel is what makes ep 1 for me.... Maybe that's just me
Byfar my favorite lightsaber duel in the entire franchise...
Just a shame it’s tacked on to the end of THAT movie lol...
Aesthetically and world building wise it felt totally Star Wars to me, it was just that god awful script
Edited by MandalorianMooseOn 2017-12-15 at 3:03 PM, Maturin said:My biggest disappointment was that the Rebel fleet support ships did nothing other than run away. It would have been nice to see the support ships fire off a turbolaser or two, or make an attack run. Not just run out of gas and....slow down even more.
My other reactions have been covered by previous posts. Mixed reaction, but am eager to revisit the movie tomorrow for further analysis.
Ok, just watched the movie again.
It turns out that Ninka does do something - it's the ship that shoots down Kyla's escorting TIE fighters, not the Raddus itself. So, a few turbolaser shots - check. (3 black Antisquadron dice, anyone?)
But then it seems to me they missed a huge opportunity to better explain why they don't send TIE's in and have another cool fight scene. Have Kylo attack with a decent number of TIE's (not just two) but have the support ships shoot them down...leaving only Kylo and explaining why they go with the chase-them-down slowly plan.
Could've been epic....and we all know antisquadron fire is the best way to kill off mass TIE's!!
23 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:Byfar my favorite lightsaber duel in the entire franchise...
Just a shame it’s tacked on to the end of THAT movie lol...
Aesthetically and world building wise it felt totally Star Wars to me, it was just that god awful script
Script was bad, BUT... watch the last again, where Qui_gon is meditating and Maul is pacing like a tiger in a cage, and tell me the entire movie was bad. That was one of the best choices I've seen in these movies.
Edited by Audio Weasel2 minutes ago, Audio Weasel said:Script was bad, BUT... watch the last again, where Qui_gon is meditating and Maul is pacing like a tiger in a cage, and tell me the entire movie was bad. That was one of the best choices I've seen in these movies.
I mean... it’s Jedi Liam Neeson... It’s gonna be awesome (plus that’s part of the duel)
I’m talking more about poodoo jokes and pretty much anything Jar Jar said lol
And in regards to Jar Jar, has anyone else seen the rumor that he was supposed to be the prequel villain but after such public backlash Lucas wrote in Dooku instead?
Thoughts?
Theres a pretty good YouTube video that explains it all and has clips from the movies supporting it etc.
You know, for your consideration:
30 minutes ago, Maturin said:It turns out that Ninka does do something - it's the ship that shoots down Kyla's escorting TIE fighters, not the Raddus itself. So, a few turbolaser shots - check. (3 black Antisquadron dice, anyone?)
Or just 2 black and a title (or upgrade I guess) that lets crits count as hits against squadrons
30 minutes ago, Maturin said:Ok, just watched the movie again.
It turns out that Ninka does do something - it's the ship that shoots down Kyla's escorting TIE fighters, not the Raddus itself. So, a few turbolaser shots - check. (3 black Antisquadron dice, anyone?)
But then it seems to me they missed a huge opportunity to better explain why they don't send TIE's in and have another cool fight scene. Have Kylo attack with a decent number of TIE's (not just two) but have the support ships shoot them down...leaving only Kylo and explaining why they go with the chase-them-down slowly plan.
Could've been epic....and we all know antisquadron fire is the best way to kill off mass TIE's!!
Also there is a new unique squadron: Kylo's wingmen: bomber, Ignore shields, if attacking the flagship and score a critical hit, discard opponents commander.
1 minute ago, Tiberius the Killer said:Also there is a new unique squadron: Kylo's wingmen: bomber, Ignore shields, if attacking the flagship and score a critical hit, discard opponents commander.
I wondered about that......immediately before this scene, Ackbar (or someone?) orders the rear shields reinforced.....and you see on the display the rear shields getting stronger....while the shields around the rest of the ship fade....not sure if they fade away, but they fade.
So.....Tie's able to blast through weak/nonexistent front shields due to rear shield reinforcement....
there's a lot of little points i missed the first time around!
I like how people are debating on the hyperspace ram. What happened makes sens and was sooooo awesome. But I can see why it wasn't used before against all the death stars. Every time the death stars gave shown up, there has been a plan with some hope of working (also I'm ignoring the issue if sheilds for the sake of argument, mainly because I'm assuming that they are monstrosity strong). So why waste a perfectly good Capitol ship if you don't have to.
When they make the raddus I'd love to see a sweet new ramming title. But only against SSD and bigger sized ships. Sooooo FFG GIMMIE AN SSD or the equivalent.
Loved the movie, but disappointed a bit too...
mainly, I thinky that if it were standalone, could’ve been better, but as a second movie of a trilogy, I think it lacked a bit, because it gave us questions and answers to those questions, but not questions from TFA and maybe they are answered in IX, but for a movie that will have a sequel it lacked a bit of a cliffhanger or bigger question
45 minutes ago, Maturin said:I wondered about that......immediately before this scene, Ackbar (or someone?) orders the rear shields reinforced.....and you see on the display the rear shields getting stronger....while the shields around the rest of the ship fade....not sure if they fade away, but they fade.
So.....Tie's able to blast through weak/nonexistent front shields due to rear shield reinforcement....
there's a lot of little points i missed the first time around!
Also correct me if I’m wrong, but the shots from the supremacy don’t seem to just fall, but curve from the side as well, because I thought so, and that they were simply trying to shoot past where the shields are reinforced but were just always too far
ItAfter much consideration I think I liked the film I did not love it but liked it. I think The last Jedi did what the force awakens should have, namely passing the tourch. imo I feel like tfa was a wasted movie and this film was scrabbling to pick up everything that tfa should have done. Tlj passed the tourch it gave a wonderful tribute to Luke in essence laying down his life so the next generation could carry on and learn from his mistakes, the yoada, and Luke looking at the two Suns before he died were probably my favorite parts, Luke also leaves us with the words I won't be the last Jedi knowing that his legacy will be carried on. It pays homage to han solo when Luke gives the dice to Carry Fisher, in a much more emotional way than tfa haddled it, the dice were also a shout out the the more hard core star wars fans as we were really the only ones that know the story behind them. The film had it's short commings, but most of them I can just point my finger to tfa and say this movie had to rush this because tfa did almost nothing as far as world building and advancing the plot of this trilogy. The biggest issue I had was with Snoke's death and no explanation or backstory about him. Some people argue that we didn't know much about the emperor in rotj and he died, but as a kid long before the prequels came out I had a basic idea of his back story because of Obi-Wans talk with Luke in a new hope I knew that the emperor killed all the Jedi and after that set up the empire, sure thats not much, but it's something with Snoke I feel like we have nothing about his backstory not even a small blurb like Obi-Wan gave Luke, and for such a character to not even have a back story explained I feel like we could have easily gotten a small blurb from a ray kylo force vision. However at the end of the day I like TLJ, I have no idea how there going to get everything done that they need to in episode 9, but we will see. My personal opinion is that if this trilogy falls flat the blame is to be put on tfa, for it's weak introduction into this trilogy.
Went to see the movie last night. I LOVED IT. I would have to give it an 8.5-9/10. If it weren't for a few specific things which really stung, or bothered me, I'd of given it a 9-9.5/10.
Some of the points that bothered me were ; Snoke's lack of backstory. I want to know who he was, where he came from, how was he so powerful. Where were the Knights of Ren?!? They were a huge hype factor for the last movie, and I feel most people thought we would see them in this one...
The whole, Leia out in the vacuum of space, pulling herself back inside. I felt they could of gone another route for what they were trying to say here...
The casino scene... I didn't hate it, but I felt it was too long. I liked the idea, it reminded me of some Mass Effect 2&3 DLC.
Lastly, I think they could of done a bit more with the Raddus trying to run away, but I will give them a pass on that, I still enjoyed it.
Some points that I loved;
Kylo killing Snoke by using Snoke's own ability to read his mind to beat him, and the fact Snoke was killed! Such a curve ball, I loved it, and really enjoy where they are taking Kylo Ren.
Kylo and Rey are were much better characters in this movie, I really felt an attachment growing for them, and their interactions not only with each other, but Luke, and the others.
Poe finally had character development. Not just a hotshot ace pilot, but the man has flaws to him, I like that.
Loved the space combat, though I wish there was a bit more/longer scenes of actual dog fighting and such. Was Snap and Jess in this film? I did not see them.
3 hours ago, Flavorabledeez said:I would’ve liked to have seen the use of the Raddus as a ram done by Ackbar.
Imagine him turning the ship slowly and the crew on the bridge of the Supremacy believing the Raddus is moving for a last effort attack.
Then an imperial tech officer informs them that the Raddus is activating its Lightspeed engines, followed by the imperial officer in charge of the bridge turning from the tech officer to the window and saying “It’s a tra...”
Best way for Ackbar to go out.
As it is now, I’ve had enough of these characters that get introduced an hour before they die getting shoehorned into these heroic feel good situations. Ackbar was in command when they sank an SSD and destroyed the second Death Star. He’s a recognizable character by those who aren’t even into the EU lore of the series. He deserved that moment.
I could not disagree more. I commend Johnson for having the guts to kill Ackbar in such a sudden, violent, and painful fashion. Soliders die deaths like that in war all the time. War sucks. You lose people that you don't want to lose and it happens in an instant. Audiences coming to see a movie with "war" in the title need to be reminded of that.
If I sound like I'm being hostile, I sincerely apologise. You've just kind of hit a personal pet peeve. I completely understand the desire for a more meaningful or epic death for such a beloved character. Those moments are so rare in real life, though. It physically hurts when someone says dying suddenly in war is forgettable. In my head that translates to "all those Soldiers that died in Iraq and Afghanistan are forgettable." I recognize that's an extreme over reaction, but that's where my mind goes nonetheless.
And now that I've put a bummer on the whole thread, let's talk about how awesome Mark Hamill was.
So the alt right apparently is creating fake accounts to trash Star Wars. Not sure why they hate Star Wars enough to go to be pain of creating fake accounts just to give fake reviews but I guess neo nazis never really do anything that makes sense.
https://movieweb.com/rotten-tomatoes-last-jedi-audience-score-fake-news/