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21 minutes ago, Forresto said:

we have an impetuous kid running a massive military force with a general who wants to kill him.

Sounds like North Korea

1 hour ago, Forresto said:

So for people not following the new canon and don't understand the state of the galaxy heres my summary from The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, the visual guides for both films, Bloodlines and the rest of the new canon and me stringing it together. Not 100 percent right but i've been reading a lot of wookiepedia and other sources recently so its fairly close.

Following Jakku and the Galactic concordance the New Republic demilitarised stripping it's fleet down by 80 to 90 percent. Most systems have to fend for themselves and crime sky rockets.

The New Republic Senate essentially gets jack done and never have control over the full galaxy, only a fraction with many systems becoming neutral or belonging to the neutered Imperial Remanant.

The First Order show up on the scene from the Unknown regions and the Imperial Remanent joins them. The First Order's efficiency and power frightens the New Republic and inspires Imperialists and Fascist sympathizers in the NR. They begin to send agents into the known galaxy to subvert opposition beginning a cold war with the NR who are unwilling to start a military conflict.

After Leia is revealed to be Vader's daughter and falls from grace in the NR senate, she forms the Resistance to counter the subterfuge of the FO.

When Starkiller Base wipes out the Hosnian System the New Republic leadership a large fleet is destroyed the New Republic is thrown into anarchy. There are still other fleets and fighter squadrons but they are scattered across many systems such as Chandrilla.

In the Last Jedi the First Order quickly takes advantage of the chaos and dispatch large fleets to all major systems where New Republic fleets are moored and obliterating them before they have time to regroup. There's a reason Poe says the dreadnought class star destroyers are fleet killers. Some fleets survived (the ones they called for help from Crait) and escaped to the outer rim so I suspect we will see the remnants of the New Republic Fleet in the next film, or at least parts of it.

By the time of the Last Jedi the First Order essentially has a stranglehold on huge swathes of the galaxy with most systems offering little resistance. The galaxy still hasn't recovered from the Galactic Civil War and I doubt most are prepared to fight another massive scale conflict.

Snoke and Hux are desperate to annihilate the Resistance because Leia and Rey are trying to bring Luke and the Jedi into the war, because they are symbols that could unify a capitulating galaxy. The First Order is winning the war.

What makes Ren killing Snoke so brilliant is that instead of this genius dark wizard controlling everything we have an impetuous kid running a massive military force with a general who wants to kill him. The First Order just super fascinating. I am beyond excited to see where they take this.

Thank you for all that info! That makes stuff make much more sense. If that info (even some of it) was shared during the movie, I would have liked the movie much more! But it wasn't, which makes it hard to appreciate. I needed some world building (and if possible, somewhat reasonable logical world building).

Still doesn't explain why the space battles in the movie are so lame though.

1 hour ago, Tiberius the Killer said:

Thank you for all that info! That makes stuff make much more sense. If that info (even some of it) was shared during the movie, I would have liked the movie much more! But it wasn't, which makes it hard to appreciate. I needed some world building (and if possible, somewhat reasonable logical world building)

This is a fair point, and it's annoying a bit, yeah.

I get that Disney wants to merchandise the **** out of things , but it's a pain the **** when you are excluding MAJOR PLOT POINTS from the movies and relying on merchandising to fill in the gaps. I mean...can tie-in book sales really be that big a deal that leaving MAJOR story elements to books alone makes sense? Especially when it creates a strong aversion to, and alienates, a large portion of the theater-going audience?

That's the biggest fault, to me, of the sequel trilogy vs the first 6 films. I mean, Lucas certainly did merchandise the **** out of things. And a lot of books from those periods (especially the prequel trilogy) filled in a lot of interesting detail (even dialog from the film - that "Cato Neimoidia doesn't count" reference from RotS). But it was never detail that mattered or explained the setting . It was just nice 'flavor' detail.

NOW , though...yeah, the details being left to tie-in media are the details needed to actually make sense of the movie you are watching , and that's just ridiculous. I mean, that was the entire point of the opening crawl. It wasn't just an intro, rather it filled you in on all the details you needed to know to understand the background of the movie you were now watching.

6 hours ago, Forresto said:

So for people not following the new canon and don't understand the state of the galaxy heres my summary from The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, the visual guides for both films, Bloodlines and the rest of the new canon and me stringing it together. Not 100 percent right but i've been reading a lot of wookiepedia and other sources recently so its fairly close.

Following Jakku and the Galactic concordance the New Republic demilitarised stripping it's fleet down by 80 to 90 percent. Most systems have to fend for themselves and crime sky rockets.

The New Republic Senate essentially gets jack done and never have control over the full galaxy, only a fraction with many systems becoming neutral or belonging to the neutered Imperial Remanant.

The First Order show up on the scene from the Unknown regions and the Imperial Remanent joins them. The First Order's efficiency and power frightens the New Republic and inspires Imperialists and Fascist sympathizers in the NR. They begin to send agents into the known galaxy to subvert opposition beginning a cold war with the NR who are unwilling to start a military conflict.

After Leia is revealed to be Vader's daughter and falls from grace in the NR senate, she forms the Resistance to counter the subterfuge of the FO.

When Starkiller Base wipes out the Hosnian System the New Republic leadership a large fleet is destroyed the New Republic is thrown into anarchy. There are still other fleets and fighter squadrons but they are scattered across many systems such as Chandrilla.

In the Last Jedi the First Order quickly takes advantage of the chaos and dispatch large fleets to all major systems where New Republic fleets are moored and obliterating them before they have time to regroup. There's a reason Poe says the dreadnought class star destroyers are fleet killers. Some fleets survived (the ones they called for help from Crait) and escaped to the outer rim so I suspect we will see the remnants of the New Republic Fleet in the next film, or at least parts of it.

By the time of the Last Jedi the First Order essentially has a stranglehold on huge swathes of the galaxy with most systems offering little resistance. The galaxy still hasn't recovered from the Galactic Civil War and I doubt most are prepared to fight another massive scale conflict.

Snoke and Hux are desperate to annihilate the Resistance because Leia and Rey are trying to bring Luke and the Jedi into the war, because they are symbols that could unify a capitulating galaxy. The First Order is winning the war.

What makes Ren killing Snoke so brilliant is that instead of this genius dark wizard controlling everything we have an impetuous kid running a massive military force with a general who wants to kill him. The First Order just super fascinating. I am beyond excited to see where they take this.

You shouldn't need to read the other stuff to make sense of a movie. A film should be able to handle this itself wuthout endless exposition. TLJ did this OK with a few glaring lines (like tasting the salt).

The film isn't perfect and has flaws all over the place but it was still very enjoyable.

4 hours ago, xanderf said:

That's the biggest fault, to me, of the sequel trilogy vs the first 6 films. I mean, Lucas certainly did merchandise the **** out of things. And a lot of books from those periods (especially the prequel trilogy) filled in a lot of interesting detail (even dialog from the film - that "Cato Neimoidia doesn't count" reference from RotS). But it was never detail that mattered or explained the setting . It was just nice 'flavor' detail..

I don't know about that. To this day I still don't know why the Trade Federation were blockading Naboo and what specifically they hoped to get from it, or why the Separatists were leaving and why it meant war with the Republic. Basically, why the Clone Wars was being fought at all aside from 'because an evil man was being evil'. That's a pretty fundamental detail to be missing.

I'm not reading all 13 pages of this thread, but I saw it and thought it was really good.

It's biggest problems were pacing and plot holes (of the distracting while you're watching kind, not the "huh in retrospect that doesn't make sense" kind), but I thought it had the best character-driven emotional arcs of any big studio tentpole film that I can remember.

I seemed like the only person in theater laughing at Leia flying, though.

I can understand annoyance with no feeling like you have all the information you need, but let’s take a really quick look at what most people consider the best movie of the franchise, The Empire Strikes Back. When we first see that movie, without the prequels, we meet the Emperor and have no idea who he is. We don’t even know his whole name, how he came to power or anything other then his title, BUT we are all ok with that. We don’t know how the Empire came to rule the galaxy, but we are ok with that

In my opinion, and I’m not saying any of you are wrong for your opinions, we are spoiled. We have lived most of if not all our lives with the original trilogy and we are blind to the fact that these movies have some of the same holes/problems we get so upset about now. We put huge expectations onto these movies that will never be satisfied with. No director or writer will ever create the perfect movie, especially not a Star Wars movie. What we can do? What I try to do is to go into the movie expecting to be entertained and to have the story line move along. I think this movie did this and I’m very excited to see how they wrap this up. Episode 9 was supposed to be Leia’s swan song, unfortunately she passed away and now the plan, if there was one to begin with, needs to be reshuffled.

I like the movie a lot, top 4 for me. There were things that bugged me about it, but I’m going to focus on the entertainment that my family and I got from the film.

On 12/16/2017 at 9:38 AM, ryanabt said:

Alright you bunch of sad sacks.

My view on the films:
5, R1, 1, 8, 6, 7, 3,...

Could change with more time, though.

So, I thought:

The Rey, Kylo, Luke arc was superb. They all fit their personalities and they all did a great job in acting them out. To those complaining about Luke "giving up," he has NEVER had any amount of follow through. He has always done the easy thing. He has been idealistic and remained good, but never about doing the long-term, hard thing.

The Poe/Holdo/Leia arc. I think Leia should have died in space (with Kylo blasting down the pilots who shot the bridge or with him shooting the bridge just after them). Holdo and Poe plays out just as with Leia there, except Holdo gets the chance to teach and forgive him. Then she leaves the rebellion to him as she sacrifices when she sees that he "gets" it.

The Finn/Who cares arc. This was bad. Benicio saves that part and should get more play in a future movie, but the rest was often. Aesthetics of the casino were too earthlike and the heavy-handed moralizing was uggghhhh. However, I think this was a Abrams influenced part for ep.9 and Johnson wasn't entirely invested (although it was his job to do a better job than he did). Everything in the arc was about the future- Finn & Rose as well as the force using slave boy. I also think that they are trying to move beyond the stark Light/Dark side stuff because our culture is more interested in grey right now. Think, ANH-RotJ were made in the middle of the Cold War. We don't have the "evil empire" anymore. They are trying to find new ways of expressing the "banality of evil" so to speak. Nevertheless, could have been done in a MUCH better way.

THEORY:
To those complaining about Rey from nowhere. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the truth; HOWEVER, I am sticking to my original theory that she is the daughter of Han & Leia.
Consider-
In TFA, Han's knowing looks and their clear affinity for one another. When Rey and Leia meet, the music which plays is the same or very similar to that which played in RotJ when Luke and Leia discuss their sibling relationship. This music plays again when Luke and Leia meet for the last time in TLJ.

In TLJ, Kylo tells Rey her parents are nobodies. Why? First, it is to his advantage. If she is from Luke's lineage, it ties her to look just as much as to Kylo, but if she is a nobody, then she has no connection to Luke, but through force meetings does have one with Kylo. Further, and most importantly, look at the source. Kylo says he saw it in a vision (presumably the same type of ones she saw about him). Yet, Snoke says he was guiding these connections. He would not have wanted to let Kylo know if she and Kylo were siblings. If that is the case, everything coming from them is suspect.

Hence, Kylo is an awful source. If he did see a vision it came from manipulator Snoke. If he didn't see it, then he was lying and we still don't know.

It would also explain how Kylo and Rey were doing the same focre-comms thing that Luke & Leia are known for.

7 minutes ago, eliteone said:

It would also explain how Kylo and Rey were doing the same focre-comms thing that Luke & Leia are known for.

Was explained in the Movie. Snoke said he was doing it to lure Rey. Although at the end they still had a connection. That goes back to Luke talking to Vader as they escape on the Falcon at the end of ESB, so the prescedent had already been set.

FWIW I think Luke fading away at the end will either be seen in the future as cheap or something Ep9 will use. My concern is that if the Skywalker line is now over, people will eventually claim that if the family never existed, none of the wars would ever have taken place, so they were actually pointless rather than the whole reason for the stories.

3 minutes ago, Gallanteer said:

people will eventually claim that if the family never existed, none of the wars would ever have taken place

I mean... you still have Palpatine and the entire Jedi Order. The wars would have existed without the Skywalkers. They may have just turned out differently.

19 minutes ago, Astrodar said:

I mean... you still have Palpatine and the entire Jedi Order. The wars would have existed without the Skywalkers. They may have just turned out differently.

And that is my point. Anakin and his family were meant to be saviours. Once Kylo is inevitably killed (redeemed or not) and no more Carrie they will be proven not to have been. We could have skipped the last 9 films and gone to Rey (a nobody) being the actual saviour.

The reason I state this is because this is the reason why Rey cannot be a nobody (politically correct and modern though it may sound). Unless she does turns out to be a skywalker somehow, it partially devalues the importance of the family.

The original characters had to die somehow eventually, but knowing Carrie was no longer with us, should they have had Luke collapse at the end, seemingly dead, but not disappear and leave us guessing?

Don't get me wrong, still loved the film, but it seems a bit short sighted for JJ to have to deal with, I just hope all the new characters are strong enough to carry Ep9 without any original cast (plus Chewie and the droids). Maybe having a couple of years gap and some hidden but referenced back story might help.

Probably alone on this one, but the idea of Rey and Ben bonding over their dislike of their parents, needing to kill the past, and being powerful with the force would’ve been a far better plot to explore in the next movie than Ben saying “let’s conquer the galaxy” and falling back into the same ole same ole.

I figured by now he would’ve seen enough of that kind of talk to know better. I wanted to see both of them embrace ALL of the force (light and dark, shown by the way Rey fights with rage and Ben hesitates) and work with that to find a NEW path separate from the ideology of the Jedi and Sith.

The antagonist for the force users in next movie could’ve been the profiteers and the Knights of Ren. You could also still have the First Order vs the Resistance, but Rey and Ben’s fight would be breaking the continuous circle/repeating cycle these movies go in. Almost like a plot to break the 4th wall within the story.

I honestly thought that’s where Rian was going with all of it, which would’ve been a brilliant move talked about for years. Hate he decided to keep it simple.

Edit: think of it this way, the third movie always begins with an infiltration/rescue. What if the next one started with Rey all dressed up in some war profiteer’s casino/bar reading minds in order to call in Ben to cut his way to retrieving plans for some new weapons so NEITHER side gets them? That could be a really good time

11 hours ago, Forresto said:

So for people not following the new canon and don't understand the state of the galaxy ...

Thank you for the synopsis. It's very valuable.

8 hours ago, xanderf said:

This is a fair point, and it's annoying a bit, yeah.

I get that Disney wants to merchandise the **** out of things , but it's a pain the **** when you are excluding MAJOR PLOT POINTS from the movies and relying on merchandising to fill in the gaps. ...

I don't think it has all that much to do with merchandising, but avoiding having to explain too much to the bulk of viewers who want to see laser swords and explosions. While @redxavier makes a good point about a movie flaw of The Phantom Menace, I think we need to keep our biases as überfans in mind. We are tend to be deeply invested in the lore and want more of it. The bulk of viewers don't. They want laser swords and explosions. For those of us who want the lore, we have the extended material to get into that stuff.

5 hours ago, Gallanteer said:

You shouldn't need to read the other stuff to make sense of a movie. A film should be able to handle this itself wuthout endless exposition. TLJ did this OK with a few glaring lines (like tasting the salt).

There are plenty of RW-based movies where you wouldn't understand the basics of the setting without historical knowledge. That doesn't mean that folks who don't know the history won't enjoy the movie. If the movie excites them, then they have an incentive to learn the history.

To me the only main problem is the lack of emotion.

The more surprising thing is how I could see the rebellion teared to pieces, Holdo's sacrifice, Luke's death, Snoke's death, Luke-Kylo past and anything else feeling almost nothing.

Every heroic appearance, every clash of characters... emotionless.

Maybe Kylo and Rey almost connecting was close but... let's rule the galaxy together???

Finn had to die. I mean, I didn't want it but it was the only scene where I would have screamed "finally!!". I also liked Rey digging in that kind of dark place with mirrors. Dramatic, but again I felt (or didn't feel better?) I was missing something.

I compare it with Solo's death and the difference is almost ridiculous. And I know it is not cause Han was with me since a child. I connected in that scene with Kylo, I felt his pain.

1 hour ago, Gallanteer said:

people will eventually claim that if the family never existed, none of the wars would ever have taken place,

1 hour ago, Astrodar said:

The wars would have existed without the Skywalkers. They may have just turned out differently.

1 hour ago, Gallanteer said:

And that is my point.

It sure didn't seem like your point. I definitely disagree though. Why would it devalue the family? Anakin literally came from a nobody. Is it so weird that another powerful force user would come from the same? Anakin and his family were never meant to be saviors. People thought Anakin was the chosen one, meant to bring balance to the force. He did. Luke and Leia played a role in that. They had a massive impact on the galaxy, regardless of if their lineage ends now.

On 12/16/2017 at 9:38 AM, ryanabt said:

Alright you bunch of sad sacks.

My view on the films:
5, R1, 1, 8, 6, 7, 3,...

Could change with more time, though.

So, I thought:

The Rey, Kylo, Luke arc was superb. They all fit their personalities and they all did a great job in acting them out. To those complaining about Luke "giving up," he has NEVER had any amount of follow through. He has always done the easy thing. He has been idealistic and remained good, but never about doing the long-term, hard thing.

The Poe/Holdo/Leia arc. I think Leia should have died in space (with Kylo blasting down the pilots who shot the bridge or with him shooting the bridge just after them). Holdo and Poe plays out just as with Leia there, except Holdo gets the chance to teach and forgive him. Then she leaves the rebellion to him as she sacrifices when she sees that he "gets" it.

The Finn/Who cares arc. This was bad. Benicio saves that part and should get more play in a future movie, but the rest was often. Aesthetics of the casino were too earthlike and the heavy-handed moralizing was uggghhhh. However, I think this was a Abrams influenced part for ep.9 and Johnson wasn't entirely invested (although it was his job to do a better job than he did). Everything in the arc was about the future- Finn & Rose as well as the force using slave boy. I also think that they are trying to move beyond the stark Light/Dark side stuff because our culture is more interested in grey right now. Think, ANH-RotJ were made in the middle of the Cold War. We don't have the "evil empire" anymore. They are trying to find new ways of expressing the "banality of evil" so to speak. Nevertheless, could have been done in a MUCH better way.

THEORY:
To those complaining about Rey from nowhere. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the truth; HOWEVER, I am sticking to my original theory that she is the daughter of Han & Leia.
Consider-
In TFA, Han's knowing looks and their clear affinity for one another. When Rey and Leia meet, the music which plays is the same or very similar to that which played in RotJ when Luke and Leia discuss their sibling relationship. This music plays again when Luke and Leia meet for the last time in TLJ.

In TLJ, Kylo tells Rey her parents are nobodies. Why? First, it is to his advantage. If she is from Luke's lineage, it ties her to look just as much as to Kylo, but if she is a nobody, then she has no connection to Luke, but through force meetings does have one with Kylo. Further, and most importantly, look at the source. Kylo says he saw it in a vision (presumably the same type of ones she saw about him). Yet, Snoke says he was guiding these connections. He would not have wanted to let Kylo know if she and Kylo were siblings. If that is the case, everything coming from them is suspect.

Hence, Kylo is an awful source. If he did see a vision it came from manipulator Snoke. If he didn't see it, then he was lying and we still don't know.

I find your lack of 4 disturbing

This rotten tomatoes video claims that the low fan score is due to angry fans that most likely didn’t even see the movie. A fringe group that dislikes Disney and think they can destroy Star Wars. I do believe the movie is closer to 8 out of 10 stars than 2 stars. I will see it at least one more time. I think the movie is going to still gross a sick amount of money so no matter what these haters try, Disney will keep pumping out more Star Wars movies.

21 minutes ago, Audio Weasel said:

I find your lack of 4 disturbing

Holy Nooo! Thanks, editing!

I meant to leave off ep.1

23 hours ago, MandalorianMoose said:

You think they are going to go into Snokes backstory? I highly doubt it. They killed him off so awkwardly as if Rian was upset he had even been written in in the first place. What purpose would they have to explain who he is/where he’s from if he’s dead now?

I think we could definitely get more insight to it. Flashbacks with Ren could give us a lot of information and is motivated by the conflict in Ren. Outside of that, it could definitely be explained in detail through books.

We also see him descend into the bowels of the Empire and face down the emporer himself because he was SO DETERMINED to save his father, who everyone else had given up on. Your telling me JEDI MASTER Luke who has been getting trained by ghost Yoda/obi wan for years got scared by the potential darkness of a 13 year old... not buying it

No. I think he got scared by the darkness in himself, not in the darkness of a 13 year old. His first instinct was murder, however fleeting that was. I think that is what made him run.

Then adress it! Even just a throwaway line like “The Knights are spread thin doing my bidding, this mission falls to you alone Kylo” Instead I’m left again with the feeling that Rian just wanted to ignore all the set up of TFA

I would have been fine with something like that. At that point they would have been mentioned in TLJ just as much as they were in TFA. However, people still would have been upset because we would have no more information on them other than they actively exist. It seems like a lose/lose.

This usually happens after a lightsaber fight scene. Not sitting in a chair like a punk

So this is only allowed to happen if it happens the exact same way that it did before? Palpatine was killed while actively using his force abilities. Snokes was killed while actively using his force abilities. He just wasn't shooting lightening from his fingers at the time. How many Jedi died "like punks" in Order 66?

Why them then? Why not Ki-Adi-Mundi and Yaddle? I mean, they were powerful Jedi Masters too, right? This was clearly more foreshadowing that was ignored my Rian

Because under current canon, the only force users who have the ability to become force ghosts are Qui-Gonn (only as a voice), Yoda, Obi-wan, and Anakin. So there were only 4 possible choices, and two of them make way more sense than the others.

Fuel makes sense for like Snub Fighters or even transports. But a City-Ship bigger than an ISD? Nah

Like I said... non-issue for me, but to each their own. This is definitely a weak point in the movie that conflicts with canon.

They really were. Scenes that didn’t even need them had them tucked into corners of the shot and stuff

I thought a good chunk of these scenes showed how much time had passed. The shot on the Falcon where one had set up nest inside... fantastic. Actually, my least favorite scene involving them was the one with Chewie trying to eat some. That one was the most unnecessary one that I can think of.

I honestly didn’t see any character development. I saw each character stick to their superficial personality and charge ahead bull-headed with whatever fit that shallow character

What character development did we see in ESB? Vader is still Vader. Luke still rushed into things. Han and Leia maybe had the most if you could "I love you"/"I know" as character development. Lando probably has the most character development out of anyone in that movie. We don't see the results of the impact of ESB on the characters until ROTJ. I'm not going to pretend like this was Academy Award winning character development, but it was definitely there.

All in all, I really was just more tired than I should have been while commenting on the forums. I enjoyed the movie a lot, and I'm bummed that you and others didn't. Star Wars was a foundation for a lot of us while growing up. More than anything, I think expectations and nostalgia are causing the divisiveness. I will admit that these new movies are not the pinnacle of film, but the OT weren't either. The only thing the OT has over these films is how absolutely original and different than everything else they were at the time of release. I hope that Episode IX does better for you.

Lets not forget the Original Trilogy explained jack about the universe relying on audience's knowledge of empires and rebellions to carry the lore. Most of what we associate with the Star Wars galaxy oddly comes from the prequels.

The Emperor is never explained in the OT, so why should Snoke be?

The Last Jedi's purpose in the trilogy is to focus on the characters and develop them not world build and that's what we got and it excelled at it.

The Force Awakens screwed the trilogy by doing a poor job worldbuilding and I blame both Starkiller Base and the obsessive prequel haters which JJ Abrams is apart of.

What the prequels excel at is world building and providing a frame work for the Original Trilogy. The prequels gave us an in-depth look at the galaxy the rebels were fighting for in the OT. The story of the politics were great its just the way they were written that was reliably low rate.

No one hates the prequel senate scenes because they're politics and not action, politics can be endlessly exciting, they hate how terrible the writing is.

So here comes Abrams who misses the one good lesson to take from the prequels and we get no frame work for what the First Order or Resistance or New Republic are and why it should matter to us.

The other side of this discussion is how do you incorporate Snoke's backstory into this film. It's much more challenging than it sounds. Who would Snoke be talking to to reveal where he came from? Certainly not Kylo. Rey is the only natural target of this exposition, because she doesn't know and is meeting him for the first time. But why is it important for him to tell her where he comes from? It's irrelevant to Rey. And all Snoke wants from her is Skywalker. He's not turning her. He's going to get his student to kill her as another test.

38 minutes ago, redxavier said:

The other side of this discussion is how do you incorporate Snoke's backstory into this film. It's much more challenging than it sounds. Who would Snoke be talking to to reveal where he came from? Certainly not Kylo. Rey is the only natural target of this exposition, because she doesn't know and is meeting him for the first time. But why is it important for him to tell her where he comes from? It's irrelevant to Rey. And all Snoke wants from her is Skywalker. He's not turning her. He's going to get his student to kill her as another test.

Forget Snoke's back story. Its actually unimportant. If you think about things too much, you get magic killing things like Midichloreans or (even worse) Zeist from Highlander 2. Too much exposition can kill the magic the **** out of a film.

Reys parentage as told in TLJ is true 'from a certain point of view'. Lets see what JJ does with that.

1 hour ago, ryanabt said:

Holy Nooo! Thanks, editing!

I meant to leave off ep.1

I figured it was something like that. I am a little surprised though. I would be more likely to leave off 2 due to the completely hamfisted romantic arc that nobody made look good.

12 minutes ago, Gallanteer said:

Forget Snoke's back story. Its actually unimportant. If you think about things too much, you get magic killing things like Midichloreans or (even worse) Zeist from Highlander 2. Too much exposition can kill the magic the **** out of a film.

Reys parentage as told in TLJ is true 'from a certain point of view'. Lets see what JJ does with that.

She's the daughter of 2 junk traders who are descendants of a mandalorian tribe that fell on hard times after Mandalore got demolished by the empire. Her lightsaber will be dark.

Pure conjecture and silliness, this is not based on ANYTHING, but sounded cool.