Loved (in order): R1, 5, 4, 6, 7
Liked (in order): 1, 8
Meh: 3, 2.

I just need to say something.

When it comes to the internet there doesnt seem to be any escape from the haters with everything. Star Trek, Star Wars, Bladerunner, The Orville, no matter what it just seems to be a cohort of people just behind acting as if its all trash.

I'm not suggesting everyone should accept and love things, if you dislike something or hate something go ahead do so. I do. We all do. But lets let people enjoy things.

All i'm saying is we seem to be in a time of unbridled negativity and nostalgia as if every new product to come out is awful and the original stuff is golden. It's mildly depressing. There's also this sense that if I personally dislike something then its trash and if you enjoy it then you're an idiot. I dislike the Godfather immensely but I also recognize the excellent craftsmanship behind it.

I came out of the Last Jedi feeling like I did when I was a kid watching the Original Trilogy. For the first time in a year I felt a collective feeling of fun and cheer with more then a hundred strangers, that is a miraculous thing in these divisive times. I was so happy and excited to come online and share my enjoyment with other people to find this ridiculous war over whether the movie is genius or garbage. What does it even matter?

Its been a day since opening night, do people not even digest things anymore? Its not even a week.

EDIT: I apologize, I shouldn't have gone on the internet, I just think tonight I've realized that I deeply dislike much of fandom culture.

I’m sad about what they did to Luke... he goes from someone so idealistic and dedicated to the light, to someone that got scared enough to almost kill his teenage nephew, and then just shuts himself away from everyone and off from the force?

come on... They completely negated everything Luke stood for in the original trilogy....

12 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

I’m sad about what they did to Luke... he goes from someone so idealistic and dedicated to the light, to someone that got scared enough to almost kill his teenage nephew, and then just shuts himself away from everyone and off from the force?

come on... They completely negated everything Luke stood for in the original trilogy....

You forget his lineage. His momentarily lapse in judgement shows he was conflicted like Vader was and succumbed to the dark side if only for a minute and it scared the **** out of him. With everything he went through, any one would have just off’d themselves.

I still don't know how I feel about this movie. I liked a lot of it, but other parts seem overly rushed or contrived. I just really wanted so see Lando in that Casino, that would have made up for a lot.

So I have a theory that narrative arc of this film revolved around Kylo Ren by being the inverse of Luke's journey to find Master Yoda in The Empire Strikes Back. We are given Rey's journey, which is a failed search for a master in a Luke Skywalker whose idealism burned him at the wrong moment. But Ben is looking to be an equal among firsts with his burgeoning power isolating him from the people he wants to rule.

He first returns to a place of safety, only to be derided as a failure. He pursues the fleeing enemy to great accomplishment, but his power is discarded out of hand for a more valuable prize. Where he could strike a mighty blow himself, he hesitates. When he achieves his greatest accomplishment, his master effectively discards him. He proceeds to destroy the master and offers another apprentice the chance to mutually leave the history of their struggles behind to disappear into memory. He doesn't offer power, but acceptance and purpose. When he fights the opposing master, he is not mortally wounded but instead hoodwinked and made to look a fool. He ends in the ruins of his defeated enemies, contemplating the internal struggle to break the unbreakable.

48 minutes ago, ripper998 said:

You forget his lineage. His momentarily lapse in judgement shows he was conflicted like Vader was and succumbed to the dark side if only for a minute and it scared the **** out of him. With everything he went through, any one would have just off’d themselves.

After having a day to digest it, the more I am thinking about it the more upset I am becoming with Rian Johnson. It really feels like giving a giant middle finger to all the previous set up of all 7 previous movies and then making a battle star galactica.... so many unresolved plot points....

Even if he had a momentary lapse in judgement, you really believe Luke wouldn’t work his hardest to fix it?

where are the knights of ren?

snoke gets trixxed by an emo kid after chillin ‘somewhere’ for over a hundred years?

reys Force visions and connection to obi wan/Yoda mean nothing?

Maz just sorta has Luke’s (Anakins) lightsaber for no reason?

Fuel????

porgs every 30 seconds...

no character development just punch lines every 3 minutes on que...

am i watching a guardians of the galaxy movie?

CHROME DOME?!?!?

2 hours ago, Arttemis said:

And again, a lack of pressure is only a difference of 1 Atmosphere, which is barely enough to make your ears feel discomfort. Deep sea divers experience pressure differentials orders of magnitude greater than getting sucked out into a vacuum.

Humans can't live in space, but it's not like being subjected to those conditions are an immediate death sentence.

*puts on professorial glasses*

Actually, what a sudden exposure to vacuum would do is cause a severe case of the bends - the rapid appearance of nitrogen bubbles in your bloodstream in the highly vascular areas most exposed to vacuum - that is to say, your lungs. These bubbles returning from your pulmonary circulation to your systemic circulation (going to your heart, and then to brain/kidneys/eyes/etc) would probably leave you with permanent organ damage. It's why deep sea divers decompress gradually, and why astronauts prebreath pure oxygen for two hours before a spacewalk - to purge dissolved nitrogen from their bloodstream before entering a lower pressure environment.

*takes off professional glasses*

But I'm assuming Leia used the Force to activate the midichlorians in her body to scavenge the nitrogen thus enabling something something something. ;P

2 minutes ago, Maturin said:

*puts on professorial glasses*

Actually, what a sudden exposure to vacuum would do is cause a severe case of the bends - the rapid appearance of nitrogen bubbles in your bloodstream in the highly vascular areas most exposed to vacuum - that is to say, your lungs. These bubbles returning from your pulmonary circulation to your systemic circulation (going to your heart, and then to brain/kidneys/eyes/etc) would probably leave you with permanent organ damage. It's why deep sea divers decompress gradually, and why astronauts prebreath pure oxygen for two hours before a spacewalk - to purge dissolved nitrogen from their bloodstream before entering a lower pressure environment.

That scene with Leia was pretty terrible, reminded me of Event Horizon. Having her die like that would have probably felt equally bizarre. Sort of sums up how I feel about the whole movie, I'm not sure what to make of it. I really liked Rogue One, that was like watching porn.

7 hours ago, melminiatures said:

Also, why does every Star Wars movie have a scene with a creature that can be completely cut off in the middle of it?

The dianoga, the space slug, the rancor, the planet core, the alakay/nexu/reek, the boga, the rathtars and now the race horses. If you cut any of those scenes from each movie the plot is not affected at all.

Leave that rancor alone please. First glance at Jedi luke showing off his prowess, and overall a fairly cool beast, not to mention slobbering cry baby rancor master

Here is a Scientific American article on survival in a vacuum. If you are a member of PETA, do yourself a favor and don't read this.

The long and short of it is that humans can survive the vacuum of space for short periods of time (at least 30 seconds, probably on the order of 1 minute or longer) with no long-term problems. It doesn't sound like a fun experience, though.

The Leia scene...didn't bother me at all. I remember thinking, "Ah. Space witch."

14 hours ago, Warlord Zepnick said:

From the moment Kylo killed Snoke, I could not stop pondering about the latter's identity.

I think it is unacceptable to leave that character unaddressed. I think it was a lazy, unimaginative, mistake not to provide us with even a scintilla of evidence regarding Snoke's backround, other than the fact that he can use force lightning and is obviously a Sith.

What about the Emporer in the original trilogy?

If you look at the first three films, we know very little about him.

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

What about the Emporer in the original trilogy?

If you look at the first three films, we know very little about him.

Good point, but then we did eventually learn in the prequels. I'm ok with lack of snoke story in this film as long as we find out eventually... Maybe in nine, or a spin off

53 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

so many unresolved plot points....

Man... if only they could make another movie that might explain some of these. They really should have thought that through.

53 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

Even if he had a momentary lapse in judgement, you really believe Luke wouldn’t work his hardest to fix it?

Throughout the other films, we never once see Luke work hard to fix a mistake he made. We do however see him struggle with the call of the dark side. I don't think it is far fetched to see him cut himself off from the force after realizing that darkness was still there, calling him.

53 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

where are the knights of ren?

I mean... It's not like the First Order is in the middle of a campaign for galactic conquest. Logically, they should keep all of their force users in the exact same solar system. Or perhaps they were all killed by Snokes, who may have been living a little closer to the "only ever two" rule. Again... another movie could help clear a lot of this up. If only.

53 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

snoke gets trixxed by an emo kid after chillin ‘somewhere’ for over a hundred years?

I'm not sure if I'm more annoyed by "trixxed" or by "emo kid". We have never before seen a powerful villain in Star Wars relax his guard in a moment where he felt invincible only to be betrayed and destroyed by their own servant. Terrible plot point.

53 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

reys Force visions and connection to obi wan/Yoda mean nothing?

I missed that part. I mean there was a bit that specified her parents were nobodies. I suppose that means her visions meant nothing? I genuinely may have missed some connection to Obi-wan and Yoda. As far as I know she only ever heard their voices during her visions. She's literally having an awakening in her regarding something that binds all things together. Why wouldn't two of the most powerful Jedi be connected or present for that?

53 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

Fuel????

Meh... not an issue for me. Fuel is well documented in the canon, so who knows what they are running the Raddus on. It seems like there should be a reactor instead, but who knows.

53 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

porgs every 30 seconds...

Next time I watch it, I'll have to keep my eyes peeled. It must have been like "Where's Waldo" and they were hidden really well in 90% of the movie.

53 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

no character development just punch lines every 3 minutes on que...

None at all. Definitely none for Poe, Rey, Ren, Luke, or Finn. None of them had issues with "there's more than just blowing things up", "what is my place in this, who am I", "I struggle with what I've done, and I must balance the desire for dark with the drive for good", "maybe I was wrong to run away and now I should help", or "I'm in this for myself and my friends. I'm willing to sacrifice myself for everyone. There's someone who thinks I need to live. There's more worth fighting for."

53 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

am i watching a guardians of the galaxy movie?

I don't know. You may have gone to the wrong theater. Did it feature a rag-tag team of super-human or alien people fighting to save the universe from an overbearing evil presence?

53 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

CHROME DOME?!?!?

Laser brain?!?!?

Is it the best movie ever? Probably not. It was fun though.

Did it kill Star Wars? Definitely not. Maybe for some people.

Am I probably only annoyed at the largely negative attitude that seems present on this thread because it's late and I need to go to bed. Probably.

As a part of the old guard I'm totally okay with The Last Jedi. The mixing of the current state of affairs in the galaxy with Luke's story was great to me. I love that he ascended. I was entertained. I do think that Luke will be back in blue form.

As far as you guys arguing physics and realism in a Star Wars movie now that is hilarious .

On December 14, 2017 at 4:02 AM, Green Knight said:

Lamest moment ever in Star Wars:

Leia doing a Superman tribute in deep space.

Lamer dans Jarjar?

Meesa donts tink so!

on another note- definitely a force pull on the broom by the kid.

On 12/14/2017 at 8:07 PM, Bivicius said:

leia surviving full vacuüm ?

Did we all forget about the scene in ESB where they land on an asteroid with no atmosphere (inside a slug whose mouth is open to vacuum) and walk outside with nothing but a small breather on?

Plus, even in real life, people can remain conscious in vacuum for 15 seconds or so (and survive that level of exposure with minimal damage) - Jedi might be expected to survive even more.

Rebels handled it fairly well in the Season III episode The Holocrons of Fate.

Aye. And I've no trouble with Jedi or otherwise surviving a brief space walk. It just was made to look like a massive Superman tribute

On another note - how many resurgents did holdo take put? And is supremacy a write off?

23 minutes ago, Ophion said:

On another note - how many resurgents did holdo take put? And is supremacy a write off?

I think the Supremacy is toast. Looks like she took out three, maybe four destroyers?

I'm beginning to believe that Kylo Ren was lying to Rey about her parentage. Unless we had horrible acting/directing, there's no way that she's a "nobody". Han gave her a concerned stare outside Maz's bar in the Force Awakens that originally tipped me off that there's more to the story that he's not telling her.

Then the way Kylo told her she was a nobody didn't sell it either.

I'm still annoyed by the fuel thing. You could have written a just as compelling story without fuel that would have gotten the point across.

At Crait (Krait?) were there AT-ATs?! I saw some smaller ones and I swear, they looked like AT-ATs. Nice use of some older tech. I dig it. I hope that we see FO Bombers, Interceptors and so on in the next movie as well.

The Casino seemed a bit too silly. I do appreciate the code breaker stayed bad rather than pulling a Lando.

My wife's opinion - "It was too long and got boring at the end."

My opinion - "I feel like they are ignoring some Star Wars lore and basic logic to tell a story that could be told in a similar way that would cause less kvetching."

2 hours ago, Green Knight said:

Aye. And I've no trouble with Jedi or otherwise surviving a brief space walk. It just was made to look like a massive Superman tribute

It was shot in a weird way and didn't really do anything that a normal console fire couldn't have done. She needed to be knocked out so that Holdo could take over and be the new leader, causing tension within the Resistance's ranks.

When my wife, who even thinks the corny Netflix and Hallmark movies are good, says something about how dumb Leia flying through space like superman looks, you know it's bad.

Well wookies eat porgs so I give the film 5 stars

1 hour ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

I'm beginning to believe that Kylo Ren was lying to Rey about her parentage. Unless we had horrible acting/directing, there's no way that she's a "nobody". Han gave her a concerned stare outside Maz's bar in the Force Awakens that originally tipped me off that there's more to the story that he's not telling her.

Then the way Kylo told her she was a nobody didn't sell it either.

I'm still annoyed by the fuel thing. You could have written a just as compelling story without fuel that would have gotten the point across.

At Crait (Krait?) were there AT-ATs?! I saw some smaller ones and I swear, they looked like AT-ATs. Nice use of some older tech. I dig it. I hope that we see FO Bombers, Interceptors and so on in the next movie as well.

The Casino seemed a bit too silly. I do appreciate the code breaker stayed bad rather than pulling a Lando.

My wife's opinion - "It was too long and got boring at the end."

My opinion - "I feel like they are ignoring some Star Wars lore and basic logic to tell a story that could be told in a similar way that would cause less kvetching."

If her parents were really nobodies how would Kylo know that. He hasn't exactly had time to research them so the only way he could know anything about them is if there were somebody important IMO.