1 minute ago, xanderf said:(Especially since they clearly indicate the tracking capability is one-ship to one-ship. IE., they knew the precise location of their target ship, but they had no idea the distribution of the fleet around it)
But they were looking at the ships.. through their windows.. and shooting at them. They knew the location and could have given that info to another Star Destroyer somewhere. They have to have more around.
The reason they didnt launch a Star Destroyer in front of the Resistance fleet is because the entire strategy of the First Order fleet was to let the Resistance jump once more so that they're out of fuel and then jump in and obliterate the rebels now unable to maneuver or even move.
After the Resistance started to flee the First Order had no reason to jump, the rebels were about to lose...
2 minutes ago, Forresto said:The reason they didnt launch a Star Destroyer in front of the Resistance fleet is because the entire strategy of the First Order fleet was to let the Resistance jump once more so that they're out of fuel and then jump in and obliterate the rebels now unable to maneuver or even move.
After the Resistance started to flee the First Order had no reason to jump, the rebels were about to lose...
eh.. I guess that works for me.. I can see that as a plan.
9 minutes ago, Forresto said:People say its annoying but I don't get it, it was just a fun romp on another planet
There was the annoying "arms dealers are the worst.. we hate arms dealers.. our mission just failed but it's all ok because we totally destroyed some stuff in the arms dealer city and then let the animals go off to wherever"
Huh, just saw it. Not bad.... but not good either? Idk it had some great moments and a lot of "huh..." moments.
I had a good time watching it but yeah it really left me wanting more. Especially after Rogue One, this felt like a real letdown. They clearly know how to make awesome Star Wars movies still... but they chose not to?
IDK. There's been a lot of good criticisms posted here (and some weird ones), but one thing no one seems to have mentioned is how casual the Resistance seems to be with their leadership. Poe straight up tries to lead a mutiny and could have EASILY gotten the entire resistance killed. Admiral purple-hair had a plan to sneak all the transports to that moon and lure the FO away, and Poe tries to ruin everything. Leia and Holdo or whatever her name was seemed remarkably chill with him afterwards. I mean I guess everything worked out but come on, he straight up almost got everyone killed by LEADING A MUTINY.
There were some great moments too though. I did enjoy the story with most of the Jedi stuff happening. So the following is just random thoughts of what could have been. No idea if others feel the same way, but:
What if the movies had gone in a much darker abandon-the-old-saga direction? The moment on Luke's island when Rey and Kylo are chatting, and he's telling her how Luke tried to kill him for being evil. I was pretty convinced in that moment the scene was going to be interrupted by Luke's lightsaber sounding on in the backgorund, and Rey having to defend herself. So that got me thinking. What if all the old characters had tragic ends instead? Caught up in their old struggle and the universe has to move on without them? Luke's been a hermit for 30 years. What if he's kinda driven himself crazy with regret over that time period and when he sees Rey's raw power, decides he can fix things? What if Rey has to kill crazy old Luke in self defense, and at the same time Leia's faltering leadership is getting the resistance killed and Poe has to lead a successful mutiny to save them? Han already kinda got himself killed by just "winging it."
Throw all the old under the bus as relics of a past age, unsuited for the new galaxy?
I dunno, I think I ultimately enjoyed the movie but also felt disappointed. Hard to say still.
16 minutes ago, Forresto said:The reason they didnt launch a Star Destroyer in front of the Resistance fleet is because the entire strategy of the First Order fleet was to let the Resistance jump once more so that they're out of fuel and then jump in and obliterate the rebels now unable to maneuver or even move.
After the Resistance started to flee the First Order had no reason to jump, the rebels were about to lose...
But 18 hours? Come on.... At that point they would've had 2 or 3 jump ahead to just end it. Why sit there in a slow mode chase for 18 hours and give the rebels time to come up with a plan when they could end it in a matter of minutes.
12 minutes ago, durandal343 said:There was the annoying "arms dealers are the worst.. we hate arms dealers.. our mission just failed but it's all ok because we totally destroyed some stuff in the arms dealer city and then let the animals go off to wherever"
Ya know up until about 25 year ago it was considered shameful to be a war profiteer.
Like drummed out of your industry, blackmailed and not allowed to show your face in polite society shameful.
1 minute ago, KingCHUD said:But 18 hours? Come on.... At that point they would've had 2 or 3 jump ahead to just end it. Why sit there in a slow mode chase for 18 hours and give the rebels time to come up with a plan when they could end it in a matter of minutes.
I dunno, it felt pretty real to me. Every time I lose Rebellion as the Empire it's because I chose to play with my food rather than go for the kill.
First things first: the military trap the FO sets is perfect. Even if the Resistance jumps themselves into a trap, the most powerful ships in their fleet will be defenseless and can be quickly destroyed before the FO escapes to hyperspace.
Second things second: George Lucas once complained about how in The Phantom Menace, he was forced to keep scenes he thought should be replaced because they were too integral to the rest of the story he wanted to tell. Finn and Rose In Monaco (I like to call it "Dances with Moose") was there strictly so that Rose could kiss Finn and the stable boy could have 30 seconds to himself at the end to set up... something? Maybe Rian's new trilogy project. It was completely unnecessary to the plot and killed the pacing for half the film.
3 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:Same. The starfighter mission where the Raddus is prepping to leave is killer. I love when the rebels lose, and that Dreadnought just *boom* pops outta hyperspace
I still have not managed to win this with Rebels.....
4 hours ago, MandalorianMoose said:Luke dusting off his shoulder, throwing the lightsaber, drinking that seal milk, etc- I could almost see him looking into the camera after like a scene from the office.
The flying iron from hardware Wars, Finn like, the entire movie.
Porgs basically yelling “buy my stuffed animal!” Through the scre
Do you actually know what the 4th wall is? Seems like you don’t.
My nieces loved the porgs just like I loved Ewoks when I was a kid. Do you possibly not understand that these are family movies, not movies catered to 40 year old men.
Either way, you’re spending way too much time discussing something you hate. Stop watching future Star Wars movies of it bothers you that much because I’m pretty confident this is the new model/style for Star Wars going forward.
4 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:Do you actually know what the 4th wall is? Seems like you don’t.
My nieces loved the porgs just like I loved Ewoks when I was a kid. Do you possibly not understand that these are family movies, not movies catered to 40 year old men.
Either way, you’re spending way too much time discussing something you hate. Stop watching future Star Wars movies of it bothers you that much because I’m pretty confident this is the new model/style for Star Wars going forward.
Hey now. We can discuss this civilly. Star Wars is something we all love, so we are gonna have strong options. By the same token, stop reading this thread if it bothers you.
Also we understands that it is marketing towards a younger crowd. So is rebels, and I think overall most of us really like that, so while that may be some of the issue, I don't think that's all of it. It's clear in the movie space battles were not a priority, because the don't make much sense. It's a shame, but that may just be how it is. But it's something we can still talk about.
So...
Just saw it today. Overall, I'd say it's not a bad movie. I personally am not impressed by Snoke or the First Order as a whole. Also, the Canto Bight storyline felt like a bit much (I.e. trying to cram in one more plot point). However, in its defense, it had a plot of its own, rather than being ESB 2.0, and Daisy Ridley, Mark Hamill, and the rest acted very well.
My personal SW ranking:
Or something like that...
3 minutes ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:So...
Just saw it today. Overall, I'd say it's not a bad movie. I personally am not impressed by Snoke or the First Order as a whole. Also, the Canto Bight storyline felt like a bit much (I.e. trying to cram in one more plot point). However, in its defense, it had a plot of its own, rather than being ESB 2.0, and Daisy Ridley, Mark Hamill, and the rest acted very well.
My personal SW ranking:
- ESB
- ANH
- ROTJ
- Rogue One
- TLJ
- TFA
- ROTS
- Phantom Menace
- Attack of the Clones
Or something like that...
You're actually very close..
However, all of y'all that have Rogue One in the mix need to stop it. Rogue One is NOT a Star Wars movie. It is a Star Wars Story (Is that what they called it?)
A Star Wars story is one where John Williams doesn't do the music.
No John Williams, no Star Wars.
7 minutes ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:So...
Just saw it today. Overall, I'd say it's not a bad movie. I personally am not impressed by Snoke or the First Order as a whole. Also, the Canto Bight storyline felt like a bit much (I.e. trying to cram in one more plot point). However, in its defense, it had a plot of its own, rather than being ESB 2.0, and Daisy Ridley, Mark Hamill, and the rest acted very well.
My personal SW ranking:
- ESB
- ANH
- ROTJ
- Rogue One
- TLJ
- TFA
- ROTS
- Phantom Menace
- Attack of the Clones
Or something like that...
I think I might agree exactly.
But if Rogue One had John Williams do the music, I think it would have been the perfect Star Wars movie yet. (Michael Giacchino did a fine job with the time he had).
And Music and Sound are incredibly important!
4 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:You're actually very close..
However, all of y'all that have Rogue One in the mix need to stop it. Rogue One is NOT a Star Wars movie. It is a Star Wars Story (Is that what they called it?)
A Star Wars story is one where John Williams doesn't do the music.
No John Williams, no Star Wars.
Fair enough
It's not possible to trump John Williams.
1 hour ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:Fair enough
John Williams does not get enough credit for the success of the original movie, in my opinion. Imagine if they had hired some person who though " OK, sci-fi..... There should be massive use of Theramin" instead of someone who was willing to put the work in to go full Wagner.
Edited by Audio WeaselAnyone notice that some of the crew on the Finalizer returned from the Force Awakens? Most noticeably that woman with the massive natural cheekbones? (Which I think look quite nice for the record.)
8 hours ago, jamie nasmyth said:I really feel that this is is a movie that will improve with repeated watching. I do plan on going again after Christmas. I would go tomorrow but I have to play Armada
I've seen it twice now and I definitely enjoyed it the second time around. Once I'd acknowledged and accepted its flaws, I was able to look past them to see a pretty enjoyable film.
6 hours ago, xanderf said:(Especially since they clearly indicate the tracking capability is one-ship to one-ship. IE., they knew the precise location of their target ship, but they had no idea the distribution of the fleet around it)
It begs the question... If the Resistance knew that the First Order were tracking the Raddus, why didn't they just bundle everyone into the Neb-C frigate and other support ships and jump away to hyperspace, sacrificing the Raddus?
(I think I need to stop obsessing about the logistics of this chase scene. Lots of unanswered questions.)
My thoughts on the hyperspace ram:
The Raddus is a 3 km long ship and only inflicted partial damage to several ships it's size, crippling most and outright destroying only a couple.
The inference, given the Resistance didn't use smaller ships in this manner, is that they wouldnt do any damage in this manner and in an industrialized war you wouldn't dare sacrifice the big ships like this when they are strategically far more important to the war otherwise as fueling points, fighter carriers, and mobile command bases and orbiting planetary occupiers. Capital ships are extremely valuable in the star wars universe.
The First Order fleet was also tightly packed, the ftl ram wouldn't be effective on a more loose formation as we usually see Star Destroyers. So why would you sacrifice a flagship to take out one star destroyer the enemy can produce more of with greater ease then you can replace your lost ship? The Resistance can't wage war without ships like the Raddus.
It was a matter of good timing, poor enemy formation, and Admiral Holdo knowing the ship was lost anyways.
9 minutes ago, Captain Warden said:It begs the question... If the Resistance knew that the First Order were tracking the Raddus, why didn't they just bundle everyone into the Neb-C frigate and other support ships and jump away to hyperspace, sacrificing the Raddus?
(I think I need to stop obsessing about the logistics of this chase scene. Lots of unanswered questions.)
The Raddus is an important asset, one not to be lost lightly. It filled a command role and mobile base that none of the other vessels could likely replace.
8 minutes ago, Forresto said:It was a matter of good timing, poor enemy formation, and Admiral Holdo knowing the ship was lost anyways.
The Raddus is an important asset, one not to be lost lightly. It filled a command role and mobile base that none of the other vessels could likely replace.
I think this is likely the heart of the matter... They would've done everything possible not to lose the Raddus. Which is a shame, because if they'd evacuated the Raddus onto the support ships at the beginning of the chase, they'd still have hundreds of Resistance personnel still alive, rather than the mere handful on the Falcon. Oh well. At least they took down Snoke's ship in the process.
On 12/15/2017 at 5:23 AM, Darth Lupine said:I want to know the name of the commander of the Mandator class....that guy is my new hero, lol. Kept fighting his ship to the end, incredibly hard bitten and professional, unlike Hux. The look on his face as his ship went down was utter contempt and defiance. Awesome.
He really reminds me of Admiral Colburn. That same “no **** taken” look.
5 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:Do you actually know what the 4th wall is? Seems like you don’t.
My nieces loved the porgs just like I loved Ewoks when I was a kid. Do you possibly not understand that these are family movies, not movies catered to 40 year old men.
Either way, you’re spending way too much time discussing something you hate. Stop watching future Star Wars movies of it bothers you that much because I’m pretty confident this is the new model/style for Star Wars going forward.
Yup, I’m well aware of what the 4th wall is, and I stand by my use of it. I truly felt that many of those jokes were made in a way that acknowledged they were jokes in a movie for the laugh. As I had mentioned, I could all but picture these characters looking into the camera after making them.
And I will continue to watch all the Star Wars movies I’d like, I don’t think I need your permission. I’ll also discuss flaws and problems I have with the film. Clearly I’m not alone in these feelings, and if it helps me get through it to vent a little I think you can handle it.
That being said I’m taking the fiancé to see it tomorrow, I’m hoping I like it better the second time around