Just now, ianediger said:

Official guide says that he was preparing to end the Jedi Order (ie. probably kill himself), which required his Jedi Master robes.

Interesting!

6 hours ago, Flavorabledeez said:

My other complaint is that they killed off too many physically attractive female support characters.

”Hey, that ball turret gunner is cute.”

Dead

”Whoa, is that a stunning A-wing squadron leader?”

Dead.

Seriously, these two events almost caused me to walk out of the theater twenty minutes into the movie, but I don’t tell people that because it makes me look shallow

This was also my thinking. And my wife's I might add! The attractive sister getting killed and the frumpy one living nearly had us in tears.

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Isn't this kinda the same thing.

I really feel like I'm missing something here

it's just people wanting to complain. I stick to the idea that the original movies are "alright" ranging between 8's and 9's depending how people like their seasoning but viewed far better by people fueled by nostalgia. I think the prequels suffer the opposite of this too where they aren't "terrible", ranging from 6 to 8 again based on seasoning, but hated because they weren't as good and people have terrible abilities to evaluate things.

It's like the "my dad can beat up your dad" argument of movie watching at this point, listening to hardcore SW fans reminds me of why I'm not that big of a SW fan even though if you took a building full of people I'd rank far higher than I'd like on my knowledge of the SW universe both movie and EU.

1 minute ago, dominosfleet said:

it's just people wanting to complain. I stick to the idea that the original movies are "alright" ranging between 8's and 9's depending how people like their seasoning but viewed far better by people fueled by nostalgia. I think the prequels suffer the opposite of this too where they aren't "terrible", ranging from 6 to 8 again based on seasoning, but hated because they weren't as good and people have terrible abilities to evaluate things.

It's like the "my dad can beat up your dad" argument of movie watching at this point, listening to hardcore SW fans reminds me of why I'm not that big of a SW fan even though if you took a building full of people I'd rank far higher than I'd like on my knowledge of the SW universe both movie and EU.

Don't conflate hardcore SW fans and those that had a problem with TLJ.

I'm hardcore and really liked it. Most of those I know are in the same boat.

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Don't conflate hardcore SW fans and those that had a problem with TLJ.

I'm hardcore and really liked it. Most of those I know are in the same boat.

Also don't confuse hardcore SW fans for those that loved it. I'm semi-hardcore (no on the books for me.. thanks) and I was disappointed with how the movie turned out. Most of those I know are more hardcore than I and are in the same boat.

5 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

it's just people wanting to complain. I stick to the idea that the original movies are "alright" ranging between 8's and 9's depending how people like their seasoning but viewed far better by people fueled by nostalgia. I think the prequels suffer the opposite of this too where they aren't "terrible", ranging from 6 to 8 again based on seasoning, but hated because they weren't as good and people have terrible abilities to evaluate things.

It's like the "my dad can beat up your dad" argument of movie watching at this point, listening to hardcore SW fans reminds me of why I'm not that big of a SW fan even though if you took a building full of people I'd rank far higher than I'd like on my knowledge of the SW universe both movie and EU.

Let's not write off well thought-out difficulties with the movies as "people wanting to complain" thanks. I have valid opinions.. yes opinions.. as to why I feel the movie didn't work.

1 hour ago, durandal343 said:

It's not how any Jedi or Sith for that matter have ever acted though. Even Han, from whom it might seem fitting, never did anything I can remember quite like that. A more appropriate response would be to just stand there.. ready for battle.. unfazed.

But he wasn't trying to have an 'appropriate response' - he wasn't even there, remember? Indeed, he very specifically needed nobody to do anything measured in response that might reveal that - he needed an overreaction from Kylo to buy time for the Rebels to escape. Which he was only going to get by taunting him. Ergo, the gesture.

3 minutes ago, xanderf said:

But he wasn't trying to have an 'appropriate response' - he wasn't even there, remember? Indeed, he very specifically needed nobody to do anything measured in response that might reveal that - he needed an overreaction from Kylo to buy time for the Rebels to escape. Which he was only going to get by taunting him. Ergo, the gesture.

I get it.. I get the point. I get what he was trying to do. I'll rewatch it and see if it sits better with me.

Just "feels" wrong to me and I can't change that with being convinced that it was ok. Sorry it's just really subjective and that's where we're running into trouble with these conversations.

1 minute ago, HERO said:

Yeah, I'll say whatever I want, thanks. Cry about how I phrased my opinion in the sanctity of your own home, and not in this thread because it has nothing to do with the movie.

What if he's in his home as he sends the message? hmmmm

5 hours ago, Dr alex said:

Hang on, you had better be numbering them in order of release, not episode number otherwise one of the two of us is going to have to change their avatars and I’ve liked the Hacan since 1st edition TI.

Better get changing then.....

Just now, durandal343 said:

What if he's in his home as he sends the message? hmmmm

As long as his feelings are protected from my incredibly harmful words.

Speaking of poor shielding, how is it that a MonCal CA in the form of the MC85 Raddus not have proper bridge shielding? Meanwhile, it's being chased and bombarded continuously by RcSDs and it's fine. Did the FO acquire some shield-bypassing tech that we're unaware of?

1 minute ago, HERO said:

As long as his feelings are protected from my incredibly harmful words.

Speaking of poor shielding, how is it that a MonCal CA in the form of the MC85 Raddus not have proper bridge shielding? Meanwhile, it's being chased and bombarded continuously by RcSDs and it's fine. Did the FO acquire some shield-bypassing tech that we're unaware of?

All shields were diverted to the rear, which is only just enough to negate the hits from the Supremacy's long range guns.

Ackbar states the first part.

2 minutes ago, HERO said:

As long as his feelings are protected from my incredibly harmful words.

I was actually defending him on that one.. I mean.. you've got to at least try if you want people to take you seriously.

Just now, durandal343 said:

I was actually defending him on that one.. I mean.. you've got to at least try if you want people to take you seriously.

For a second, I forgot why I stopped coming to these forums. There's way too much sensitivity about completely random **** instead of actual discussion.

5 minutes ago, durandal343 said:

What if he's in his home as he sends the message? hmmmm

I was at work, so as THE GREAT HERO commands me, I guess I'll listen. Who am I to disagree with someone who shows up to the forums once every 6 months to state his opinion and dismiss the new character letting Finn get some emotional growth and completely misstate what she did? THE GREAT HERO has opinions, and they must be heard, especially when he refers to one of the characters being "blue-balled" by another. His opinion is the ONLY one that matters, and I wait on baited breath for his eventual response to this post in April 2018.

2 minutes ago, Forresto said:

All shields were diverted to the rear, which is only just enough to negate the hits from the Supremacy's long range guns.

Ackbar states the first part.

Hmm.. must have missed the timing on this one: I didn't know they put all shields to the back first, before Kylo went on his bombing run.

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

So he was just taking a leisurely stroll in his clean and pressed formal Jedi attire.... because his leather jacket and grungy black robes were... at the cleaners? hhhmmmmmmmmmm

If by "cleaners" you mean "judgmental fish-nuns", then obviously yes!

3 minutes ago, geek19 said:

I was at work, so as THE GREAT HERO commands me, I guess I'll listen. Who am I to disagree with someone who shows up to the forums once every 6 months to state his opinion and dismiss the new character letting Finn get some emotional growth and completely misstate what she did? THE GREAT HERO has opinions, and they must be heard, especially when he refers to one of the characters being "blue-balled" by another. His opinion is the ONLY one that matters, and I wait on baited breath for his eventual response to this post in April 2018.

I guess. Except you didn't mention anything about the movie, Rose as a character, or Finn's emotional growth. You just zeroed in and choose to cry about one line in my opinion on the movie.

But yes, see you in 6mo. Looking forward to more random crying.

I hated the size of the Resistance navy more then anything else. That force ould be lucky if it added up to an Armada fleet. And where were the two MC80s they had shortly before TFA?

As was brought up in another discussion I'm having... could the FO not have jumped a Star Destroyer or something in front of the Resistance "fleet" and just been done with it? That whole chase was a miss.

Also.. putting this out there since @SgtDurandal noticed it... has anyone else seen the inconsistency between the TFA force flash where we see Kylo in all his gear and it's raining as he's killing the Jedi trainees and then in TLJ where it's not raining and he's not in any of his gear? Is there an explanation we're missing for that?

6 minutes ago, durandal343 said:

As was brought up in another discussion I'm having... could the FO not have jumped a Star Destroyer or something in front of the Resistance "fleet" and just been done with it? That whole chase was a miss.

I agree. THough some people say jumps to light speed are difficult to pull off so exactly. But then again, Finn and Rose do it just fine... also they make a skype call in the middle of the chase. Boy that was dumb.

3 minutes ago, Tiberius the Killer said:

I agree. THough some people say jumps to light speed are difficult to pull off so exactly. But then again, Finn and Rose do it just fine... also they make a skype call in the middle of the chase. Boy that was dumb.

But they jump to planets all the time.. and they'd have their buddies with exact coordinates for them to use.. seems pretty plausible in universe stuff to accomplish.

And yeah.. lots about that Finn mission was pretty dumb.. but some people loved.. need to rewatch.

7 minutes ago, durandal343 said:

But they jump to planets all the time.. and they'd have their buddies with exact coordinates for them to use.. seems pretty plausible in universe stuff to accomplish.

I think it's a "pilot skill" thing. Han Solo manages to jump into the atmosphere of a planet behind its shield, sure. But he's bonkers-crazy skilled. And even given that, everyone back at the Rebel command seemed to think that was a crazy thing to try. And keep in mind that a shield set up above a planet's atmosphere is going to be at least 100km above its surface. So...it's considered crazy-dangerous in-universe for one of the best pilots who has ever flown to hit a 'jumping out of hyperspace' target 100km deep?

So, yeah, I can see not wanting to risk that on vastly larger ships with didn't-even-qualify-to-be-TIE-Fighter-Academy-Pilot helmsmen...

(Especially since they clearly indicate the tracking capability is one-ship to one-ship. IE., they knew the precise location of their target ship, but they had no idea the distribution of the fleet around it)

2 minutes ago, durandal343 said:

But they jump to planets all the time.. and they'd have their buddies with exact coordinates for them to use.. seems pretty plausible in universe stuff to accomplish.

And yeah.. lots about that Finn mission was pretty dumb.. but some people loved.. need to rewatch.

The whole point of the Finn and Rose storyline was to demonstrate how the First Order was getting arms and money, provide a storyline that in Star Wars typically leads to unbridled success but more realistically ends up as a massive failure, introduce the character of DJ who know doubt will have a part to play in the next movie, and allow Finn and Rose to develop on there own.

Oh and to finally once and for all kill off Phasma, goodness her character was annoying.

Oh and to show us more of the inside of the Supremacy beyond the throne room.

People say its annoying but I don't get it, it was just a fun romp on another planet that's pretty cool to have as part of the canon now. I love the idea of Canto Bight, I just wish more of the aliens were OT species we've come to love for so many years.

If anything my biggest complaint about the Last Jedi is there were far too many new species. Where are the Bith, Rodians, and Ithorians?