Just now, MandalorianMoose said:

Luke dusting off his shoulder

Okay, but I mean, isn't that like a universal "Is that all you've got?" The Star Wars universe is similar to ours in many ways, cloths, weapons, ideas, it's not far fetched to see this being an actual taunt in their universe too.

1 minute ago, MandalorianMoose said:

throwing the lightsaber

The whole Rey-Skywalker scene before she stepped into the tree was very reminiscent of Old Master Yoda. Cantankerous old hermit annoys future pupil with absurd antics. For a man who learned from Yoda how to be a hermit.... I found it fitting.

4 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

The flying iron from hardware Wars

I missed this reference, I thought it was silly but no more so than RotJ's Robot torture scene

I thought Finns mission was a little weak, but otherwise everything seemed to fit. Especially to how they built his character in TFA.


Maybe I just don't get it, but honestly I thought the humor fit along great.

6 minutes ago, HERO said:

instead gets blue-balled by some random he met on the same day just so she can say "I love you".

Yeah, can you never say this again? You're entitled to your opinion but phrasing it like this really makes me want to just start mocking you and treating you like the 14 year old you sound like with this statement.

5 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Okay, but I mean, isn't that like a universal "Is that all you've got?" The Star Wars universe is similar to ours in many ways, cloths, weapons, ideas, it's not far fetched to see this being an actual taunt in their universe too.

It's not how any Jedi or Sith for that matter have ever acted though. Even Han, from whom it might seem fitting, never did anything I can remember quite like that. A more appropriate response would be to just stand there.. ready for battle.. unfazed.

Another set up for the First Order that's never fully explained in the films is that most are young and have no combat experience outside fighting pirate gangs and local security forces. The dreadnought not immediately launching fighters is due to the crew's lack of experience much to the woe of the captain who is a veteran of the Galactic Civil War.

The Resistance on the other hand is full of grizzled veterans and career soldiers.

So yes the First Order makes mistakes, unlike the Empire, they've never waged full scale war. Look at the Union at Bull's Run, same problems arose and the far superior union force got whupped.

7 minutes ago, durandal343 said:

It's not how any Jedi or Sith for that matter have ever acted though. Even Han, from whom it might seem fitting, never did anything I can remember quite like that. A more appropriate response would be to just stand there.. ready for battle.. unfazed.

Isn't this kinda the same thing.

I really feel like I'm missing something here

All bets are off after Chewie channeled Tarzan.

Just now, Darth Sanguis said:

Isn't this kinda the same thing.

I really feel like I'm missing something here

Yes, that is similar.. and it works. Not my favorite moment but it works. Luke is a Jedi master.. not some rogue ladykiller with a devil-may-care attitude about life. Not sure I can explain it but the shoulder brushing is extremely cocky while this is just "hey, sorry"

And that shoulder brush is just an example of the problem throughout the entire movie for me. It's cool if people like it.. like what you like. I didn't and felt it took me completely out of the world that was being built around me. I didn't like the "shoot every single weapon you have at that one man" that set up that scene either.. just... a disconnect between me and the SW world maybe? I don't think so but maybe

6 minutes ago, durandal343 said:

Yes, that is similar.. and it works. Not my favorite moment but it works. Luke is a Jedi master.. not some rogue ladykiller with a devil-may-care attitude about life. Not sure I can explain it but the shoulder brushing is extremely cocky while this is just "hey, sorry"

And that shoulder brush is just an example of the problem throughout the entire movie for me. It's cool if people like it.. like what you like. I didn't and felt it took me completely out of the world that was being built around me. I didn't like the "shoot every single weapon you have at that one man" that set up that scene either.. just... a disconnect between me and the SW world maybe? I don't think so but maybe

To me, I thought it was intended to be a bit unrealistic. That was the whole point of that scene. To create a legend.

"Jedi Master Luke Skywalker walked out and took on the whole First Order with just his laser sword. They fired everything they had and he emerged unscathed, taunting the new supreme leader, before his epic duel."

That's what I imagine that kid was saying at the end. In reality Luke WAS doing the stoic Jedi stuff, but to keep the hope for the resistance he had to be the legend, and most legends are half truths at best.

I dunno. Just trying to add my perspective. It makes me sad that folks didn't enjoy the film the way I did. I thought it was very well done.

I think I'm just old and curmudgeonly because I'm pretty sure that this will appeal to everyone under 25...

9 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

All bets are off after Chewie channeled Tarzan.

I straight up forgot about that.

4 minutes ago, durandal343 said:

I think I'm just old and curmudgeonly because I'm pretty sure that this will appeal to everyone under 25...

I'm not and thought it was pretty great.

1 minute ago, Darth Sanguis said:

To me, I thought it was intended to be a bit unrealistic. That was the whole point of that scene. To create a legend.

"Jedi Master Luke Skywalker walked out and took on the First Order with just his laser sword. They fired everything they had and he emerged unscathed, taunting the new supreme leader, before his epic duel."

That's what I imagine that kid was saying at the end. In reality Luke WAS doing the stoic Jedi stuff, but to keep the hop for the resistance he had to be the legend, and most legends are half truths at best.

I dunno. Just trying to add my perspective. It makes me sad that folks didn't enjoy the film the way I did. I thought it was very well done.

Yeah.. I get that it's supposed to be the big event in the galaxy that inspires the rebellion. We spitballed a bunch of better ways to go out for Luke.. maybe an epic battle between him and the Knights of Ren and Kylo kills him after he saves the day. Or he saves Kylo from Snoke.. kills Snoke and then vanishes into the force so Kylo will be more torn as the FO supreme leader. Or Snoke could even kill him and Kylo kills Snoke in revenge ala Vader but stays on the Dark Side. Anything other than this really.

13 minutes ago, durandal343 said:

Or he saves Kylo from Snoke.. kills Snoke and then vanishes into the force so Kylo will be more torn as the FO supreme leader

Maybe something like this would have been equal to it for me, but I really didn't wanna see Luke get chopped up like old Ben or Han.

Actually, I remember joking with my friends in line, "If I have to watch Luke Skywalker die with my own two eyeballs I'm gonna lose my ****" but I think the way they did it was very Jedi(y). It was passive.

But I suppose that's how I've always seen the "lightside" just as Yoda described to Luke. You will know the difference when you are calm, passive, at peace. If Luke would have showed up to kill anyone, I just don't think it'd have felt right. Even in RotJ he wasn't going there to kill his dad, or even the Emperor. He came to save his dad and was ready to die during the rebel attack.

Man... just talking about it, I really wanna go see it again lol

2 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Man... just talking about it, I really wanna go see it again lol

I really feel that this is is a movie that will improve with repeated watching. I do plan on going again after Christmas. I would go tomorrow but I have to play Armada

Just now, jamie nasmyth said:

I really feel that this is is a movie that will improve with repeated watching. I do plan on going again after Christmas. I would go tomorrow but I have to play Armada

I really hope so.. I really really do. I'm worried it won't for me and I'll be too focused on the things that bother me but I hope it will.

Just now, jamie nasmyth said:

I really feel that this is is a movie that will improve with repeated watching. I do plan on going again after Christmas. I would go tomorrow but I have to play Armada

I've seen it twice. I may go tonight. Funds are a little tight, but really this movie gets me so hyped.

I can't wait till it comes out on BluRay so I can snap a picture of "Evil Luke" from Kylo's interpretation of their last night at the Jedi temple.

So cool.

I have been really enjoying the Battlefront II tie in with this. The space battle and the land battle on Crait have been pretty good and now I know the latter map better (ie where to run to to get in the trenches) I have actually had some pretty good scores.

Just now, jamie nasmyth said:

I have been really enjoying the Battlefront II tie in with this. The space battle and the land battle on Crait have been pretty good and now I know the latter map better (ie where to run to to get in the trenches) I have actually had some pretty good scores.

Same. The starfighter mission where the Raddus is prepping to leave is killer. I love when the rebels lose, and that Dreadnought just *boom* pops outta hyperspace

9 hours ago, Lord Ashram said:

Snoke not having a backstory DOES suck. Sorry, at this point we are all well-versed in Star Wars lore. We know Palpatine's entire backstory. So Snoke just... shows up? We don't know who his master was? He brings back the dark side, corrupts Ben Solo, and we don't know anything about him? There BETTER be some explanation in there, or that sucks.

To be fair to this new trilogy, there was lead up to Palpatine in the original movies but he didn't have any back story, no more than Snotty got. The Emperor got a passing mention in the first movie was a hologram in the second and was a plot device in the 3rd. The story was never about Palpatine nor is this new story about Snotty. We actually had to wait 20 years to get old buddy Sheev's backstory. We are looking at these new movies from the point of view of 40 years of star wars merchandising and judging these new movies as if they should have all of that too. They will eventually.

However I will say the world building in these movies suck. We shouldn't have to go to books and comics to figure out WTF is going on in the movie we are watching. I know it bothers me and I am sure it bothers many others. 2 to 3 minutes of dialog just to fill in the space between Jedi and Awakens would have been enough. Instead we have to go read Bloodlines to find out what happened. I guess that is how they sell their books.

Also for those of you caught up on military incompetence, you should really google Seventh Fleet blunders. You'll find out it is not only realistic but also very scary and quite sad.

11 minutes ago, Mep said:

To be fair to this new trilogy, there was lead up to Palpatine in the original movies but he didn't have any back story, no more than Snotty got. The Emperor got a passing mention in the first movie was a hologram in the second and was a plot device in the 3rd. The story was never about Palpatine nor is this new story about Snotty. We actually had to wait 20 years to get old buddy Sheev's backstory. We are looking at these new movies from the point of view of 40 years of star wars merchandising and judging these new movies as if they should have all of that too. They will eventually.

However I will say the world building in these movies suck. We shouldn't have to go to books and comics to figure out WTF is going on in the movie we are watching. I know it bothers me and I am sure it bothers many others. 2 to 3 minutes of dialog just to fill in the space between Jedi and Awakens would have been enough. Instead we have to go read Bloodlines to find out what happened. I guess that is how they sell their books.

Also for those of you caught up on military incompetence, you should really google Seventh Fleet blunders. You'll find out it is not only realistic but also very scary and quite sad.

I get your point, but TLJ takes place mere hours after TFA. Rey has just met Luke, and the Resistance is evacuating their base because they revealed where it was by launching the attack on Starkiller Base (I'm guessing they tracked one of the X-Wings through hyperspace after the battle) and are (rightly) concerned that the First Order is coming to wipe them out.

I do agree that the opening crawl of TFA could have been more revelatory about the state of the galaxy since RotJ, though.

Okay so.... love it or hate it.... here's my big question....


Why did Luke have his Jedi robes on when Rey arrived?

He's cut himself off from the force. He didn't know about Han, even Leia couldn't reach him. So why was he all dressed up when Rey showed up? Did he sense her coming?There couldn't have been enough time for him to hear the Falcon coming and get changed. Did he lie about disconnecting from the force?

This is the only plot point that really drives me nuts.... How did he know to be dressed up?

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1 minute ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Okay so.... love it or hate it.... here's my big question....


Why did Luke have his Jedi robes on when Rey arrived?

He's cut himself off from the force. He didn't know about Han, even Leia couldn't reach him. So why was he all dressed up when Rey showed up? Did he sense her coming? It there couldn't have been enough time for him to hear the Falcon coming and get changed.

This is the only plot point that really drives me nuts.... How did he know to be dressed up?

Those were the only clothes he brought with him. And since he was at an old Jedi Temple, those were the only replacements available. His wardrobe options were severely limited. BOOM EXPLAINED

1 minute ago, Armada Jim said:

Those were the only clothes he brought with him. And since he was at an old Jedi Temple, those were the only replacements available. His wardrobe options were severely limited. BOOM EXPLAINED

So he was just taking a leisurely stroll in his clean and pressed formal Jedi attire.... because his leather jacket and grungy black robes were... at the cleaners? hhhmmmmmmmmmm

12 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

So he was just taking a leisurely stroll in his clean and pressed formal Jedi attire.... because his leather jacket and grungy black robes were... at the cleaners? hhhmmmmmmmmmm

Official guide says that he was preparing to end the Jedi Order (ie. probably kill himself), which required his Jedi Master robes.