Are you kidding me, I'm blind! (Wedge Help)

By FlyingAnchors, in X-Wing Squad Lists

So I made into my Regionals, off the wait list. I'm super excited, I have a secured spot, and this will be my 2nd regional so the rookie nerves are mostly gone... however I'm currently feeling like this:

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All these new ships and I have literally NO idea what to fly.

So in uncertain times, what do most people do? Turn to what they know/love to fly.

In this case, I've been looking pretty hard at Wedge. Now Wedge is supposed to be really good with FAA, but....

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I can't seem to see how. sure FAA is cheap, and grants you a free boost or barrel roll outside of your normal actions, however;

1) Wedge is often best when at range 1-2

2) moving at Ps 9 and having no other ships in your primary arc with a ship that needs to have a ship in it's primary arc to even attack just feels off,

off in the sense that you won't always be able to boost or barrel roll into range for an attack.

I do see the corner cases where you have a ship outside of your arc and you either boost or barrel roll into firing range/arc, and the bug can grant coordinate

to net you more modded shots, but at the same time, I'm failing to see how this is any different then BB-8 or Regen Wedge, save about 3 points.

Its awesome. Been running VI Luke with FAA and he is amazing. Wedge, probably needs VI or predator/lone wolf to have a focus for defense, but it is awesone having FAA and you either get a shot or a maneuver. You have to be patient, and arc dodge, banking away, then boost out of arc and take a lock, then next round or two you setup that sweet shot. Dont joust with three arcs on wedge.

47 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

I'm failing to see how this is any different then BB-8 or Regen Wedge, save about 3 points.

Well, that might be it right there. You can get a PS10-11 Wedge with FAA for 30-31 points. That seems pretty good.

I have been flying Wedge with Expertise, FAA, and integrated since the card was announced and I love it. I think a good way to look at him is as a budget ace. At 34 points he hits hard and can take a couple of shots. I still run him with Biggs as a wing man because I find the 40 point flexibility for other ships better than 36 points (Low at 30)

Besides being able to retreat, FAA is also great to position for a good joust. With FAA, the X-Wing can do a 5 straight now! In my opinion FAA shines when

1. positioning for an attack run and

2. retreating to regroup.

It also is a 1 point hull upgrade and being able to avoid a crit is HUGE.

I think the best way to look at FAA Wedge is as a compliment ace. He needs another threat out there that your opponent needs to deal with. I still love to fly my Biggs, Wedge, Rex, GSP list and it benefits greatly by having a TLT space the battle out while having Rex reduce the damage output of opponents. I've seen a lot of people posting Wedge/Poe lists and I think they also synergize in a similar manner. Wedge is a secretly good ace and should be used as such.

47 minutes ago, Mackaywarrior said:

I have been flying Wedge with Expertise, FAA, and integrated since the card was announced and I love it. I think a good way to look at him is as a budget ace. At 34 points he hits hard and can take a couple of shots. I still run him with Biggs as a wing man because I find the 40 point flexibility for other ships better than 36 points (Low at 30)

Besides being able to retreat, FAA is also great to position for a good joust. With FAA, the X-Wing can do a 5 straight now! In my opinion FAA shines when

1. positioning for an attack run and

2. retreating to regroup.

It also is a 1 point hull upgrade and being able to avoid a crit is HUGE.

I think the best way to look at FAA Wedge is as a compliment ace. He needs another threat out there that your opponent needs to deal with. I still love to fly my Biggs, Wedge, Rex, GSP list and it benefits greatly by having a TLT space the battle out while having Rex reduce the damage output of opponents. I've seen a lot of people posting Wedge/Poe lists and I think they also synergize in a similar manner. Wedge is a secretly good ace and should be used as such.

So would norra be considered a big enough threat wedge would get to do his thing?

23 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

So would norra be considered a big enough threat wedge would get to do his thing?

A Regen Norra? Probably. It really comes down to how you fly the other ship. Nien in a T-70 with R3-A2 and Rage can take the heat of Wedge as well because Nien is SO in your face trying to get to range 1. I think paired with Norra, Wedge would succeed by being a flanker and just hammering the opponent until they HAVE to engage you.

One thing I think Wedge Flyers do wrong is be too aggressive. With Wedge's ability, taking a shot at Range 3 is not as bad as it seems (in most cases). Come in from range 3, then close to range 2 or 1 while your opponent pays attention to something else. Depending on what you are shooting you will probably be able to force through 2-4 damage this way.

This also helps with most X-Wings. They fly like rocks with wings and staying back gives you a lot of flexibility with your arc, while letting FAA make minor adjustments if needed.

Edited by Mackaywarrior

Ptl bb8 is a better build for Wedge IMO,

6 hours ago, Estarriol said:

Ptl bb8 is a better build for Wedge IMO,

It's also much pricier.

30-31 points nets you PS10-11 with reposition options and no maneuver difficulty lock-in.

1 hour ago, RampancyTW said:

It's also much pricier.

30-31 points nets you PS10-11 with reposition options and no maneuver difficulty lock-in.

Reposition dependant on your opponent going where you want them to, and your attack mods are worse.

1 hour ago, Estarriol said:

Reposition dependant on your opponent going where you want them to, and your attack mods are worse.

FAA Wedge can run away and reset. Aside from getting in the engagement quicker, that's the biggest benefit from FAA.

Is it really that Wedge is that good? I just thought he was refreshingly effective in casual matches. I'm not sure he's something to look at for Regionals (unless you want to fly that Nym/Wedge/Cracken alpha strike that's floating around ...).

37 minutes ago, TheHumanHydra said:

Is it really that Wedge is that good? I just thought he was refreshingly effective in casual matches. I'm not sure he's something to look at for Regionals (unless you want to fly that Nym/Wedge/Cracken alpha strike that's floating around ...).

He's very good offensively, very poor defensively... That said, did just go 4-0 with that alpha list yesterday. Not Regionals competition, but the list has some kick.

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1 hour ago, LagJanson said:

He's very good offensively, very poor defensively... That said, did just go 4-0 with that alpha list yesterday. Not Regionals competition, but the list has some kick.

Nice. Very true. Maybe he needs someone to fly cover for him. Mackaywarrior brought up Biggs/Lowhhrick. What about this?

Lowhhrick (28)
Draw Their Fire or Selflessness (1)
Wookiee Commandos (1)

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Flight-Assist Astromech (1)
Advanced Optics (2)
Integrated Astromech (0)
Black One (1)

Wedge Antilles (29)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Flight-Assist Astromech (1)
Integrated Astromech (0)

Total: 99

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Tempting to kill Wedge to shatter his glass cannon, but who wants Poe in the end game?

21 minutes ago, TheHumanHydra said:

Maybe he needs someone to fly cover for him.

I think Fenn can be that someone. I'm not a fan of the Lowhhrick idea because it limits Wedge and Poe's maneuverability

2 hours ago, TheHumanHydra said:

Is it really that Wedge is that good? I just thought he was refreshingly effective in casual matches. I'm not sure he's something to look at for Regionals (unless you want to fly that Nym/Wedge/Cracken alpha strike that's floating around ...).

Probably not, but I think it's worth investigating. I've been running Wedge/Poe/Fenn and it's been effective. If you think about Palp aces, it's a fairly wholesome list in any variation. It's just efficient. A typical PtL Inquisitor is 31 points for a PS8 ace. VI/FAA Wedge is the same cost. With the right supports in the list and flown well, that's nothing to sneeze at.

I think FAA is truly beautiful on T-65s. I have high hopes for this list:

Wedge

Expertise

FAA

IA

Wes

Adaptability

FAA

IA

Ezra

Snap Shot

R3-A2

Luke Skywalker

Pulsed Ray Shield

Ezra is what makes the list really annoying. If you ignore him for either the big gun or the token stripper, you get stressed to $#!+ for a while. If you go for him first, then you are letting the token stripper and gun hammer at you for a while into the mid, maybe late game.