25 minutes ago, Flavorabledeez said:

The film starts with a planetary evacuation as AT-AT like vehicles march on, the good force using protagonist training with a master...

While it's possible to follow the same formula and still feel like an original film I sure do wish I had your optimism

Cheers to hoping I'm well in the wrong, but it feels the same.

Yeah, but Luke when being trained by Yoda isn’t tempted by the dark side, nor they are attacked in Dagobah, or Luke and Vader go to the emperor and fight his imperial guards. I am dearly hoping for it to go even more different, as it appears Rey and Kylo will fight together in the throne room (with Rey even using Kylo’s saber at one point)

4 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

Mostly pointing out that it's not unreasonable to see a situation where a military has a strong portion of their forces in one spot and is devastated by a surprise attack. Of course it's not the entire fleet but it could explain why they chose those 5(?) planets specifically to hit. There's plenty wrong with FO, lets not get into "that would never happen" nonsense when 76 years ago something similar did happen to our own fleet.

Absolutely, surprise attack are generally best when used to cripple an equal or stronger opponent. Im just curious if they will make the FO's attack crippling or not. To kind of come back to history Pearl Harbor as devastaing as it was militairly, was not crippiling to the US warmachine as a whole only to the pacific fleet. And even then it could be argued that the most important core of the fleet survived untouched. I am intruiged as to what they will say happened to the new republic fleet. Total Annihlation, a heavy crippiling, or a scatering (cental command would of been destroyed leaving an unkown number of ships without a chain of command to organize them into a fightin force), i am full of speculation. But i just really want some cool space battles, so i guess at the end of the day whatever answer gets me that makes me happy.

12 minutes ago, Khyros said:

Gah, I hate how the wiki defaults to the Legends... Which is of course what I grew up with, so that's what I know, and I fail to see the "Canon" tabs. Thanks - that actually helps me. Now the question is why is the model bigger than a VSD (and now I have to double check the "canon" size of a VSD... which is <1600m, so specific).

Based on pictures I can find, the Interdictor as seen in Rebels in approximately 1.3 times the length of a Quasar. I think the Quasar is between .3 and .5 times the length of an ISD. Putting the Interdictor at between .4 and .6 times the length of an ISD, or roughly 640-960 meters long.

3 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:

Honestly, just putting the cannons on top would have been a far better and more dynamic decision.

That would be very weird, as they are design to cause huge damages by planetary bombardment in orbital strikes, they are specialized ships for a specific planetary siege/attack purpuose, cannons on top would mean they’d have to be upside down in orbit to function as intended. They focused more on functionality than aesthetic

3 minutes ago, Visovics said:

That would be very weird, as they are design to cause huge damages by planetary bombardment in orbital strikes, they are specialized ships for a specific planetary siege/attack purpuose, cannons on top would mean they’d have to be upside down in orbit to function as intended. They focused more on functionality than aesthetic

There is no upside down in space. It would not affect their performance one jot in that regard.

The whole vibe of the Post Imperial Galaxy is the steady demilitarization of the central galactic government that by the time of The Force Awakens there is a small Republic fleet.

Small is relative though. We only saw a few dozen ships blow up with the Hosnian System. Realistically there should be a few other fleets.

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The Nebulon C is clearly in a state of disarray but you can imagine how the new model would look and it's a fantastic design.

Same goes for the Corellian ship.

All around superb work. Especially on making them look like they were rummaged from the trash.

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

There is no upside down in space. It would not affect their performance one jot in that regard.

But it would be in orbit, so it would be relatively weird trying to aim to the surface and to watch it from the bridge looking up if they somehow resist gravitational pull

3 hours ago, Noosh said:

Absolutely, surprise attack are generally best when used to cripple an equal or stronger opponent. Im just curious if they will make the FO's attack crippling or not. To kind of come back to history Pearl Harbor as devastaing as it was militairly, was not crippiling to the US warmachine as a whole only to the pacific fleet. And even then it could be argued that the most important core of the fleet survived untouched. I am intruiged as to what they will say happened to the new republic fleet. Total Annihlation, a heavy crippiling, or a scatering (cental command would of been destroyed leaving an unkown number of ships without a chain of command to organize them into a fightin force), i am full of speculation. But i just really want some cool space battles, so i guess at the end of the day whatever answer gets me that makes me happy.

Regardless of how much the fleet was wiped out, the military high command almost certainly was, which is probably a more important factor. If the Pentagon was nuked, sure, we have plenty of other Soldiers, but getting them organized would be very difficult. Now spread that across a galaxy to a military that has been in peacetime operations for 30 years. Since we appear to be starting almost immediately after TFA, the Republic military should absolutely not be a factor.

As for the Raddus and the Finalizer, I think we could get away with 25-50% bigger than an ISD rather than double and keeping them on the large base. We have a sliding scale for that reason. Plus, we've never seen these ships on screen next to old ships. I for one am extremely excited to get these in Armada. I love all the Resistance ships and, while I'm in the minority on this, I love the Resurgent.

Just now, Visovics said:

But it would be in orbit, so it would be relatively weird trying to aim to the surface and to watch it from the bridge looking up if they somehow resist gravitational pull

I think once you get used to fighting in space, where there is no up, it is not disconcerting. Only from our perspective of gravity-bound land-dwellers is it weird.

I mean, you saw how the ISDs attacked Atallon in Rebels . They were neither belly-over or top-over, but pointed at the planet. So I'd imagine that this ship would do the same. If that is the case, having guns on top or on the bottom make no difference. I think really the best argument for putting them below is the obstruction they'd otherwise cause to the the bridge's forward viewport.

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I think once you get used to fighting in space, where there is no up, it is not disconcerting. Only from our perspective of gravity-bound land-dwellers is it weird.

I mean, you saw how the ISDs attacked Atallon in Rebels . They were neither belly-over or top-over, but pointed at the planet. So I'd imagine that this ship would do the same. If that is the case, having guns on top or on the bottom make no difference. I think really the best argument for putting them below is the obstruction they'd otherwise cause to the the bridge's forward viewport.

Yeah, but I also imagine that if you need to get closer to the planet for some reason and come inside or extremely near the atmosphere, it would be preferable to have the cannons underneath, almost as if they are dropping bombs, but aimed better, and from a huge barrel...

18 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Yeah, but Luke when being trained by Yoda isn’t tempted by the dark side, nor they are attacked in Dagobah, or Luke and Vader go to the emperor and fight his imperial guards. I am dearly hoping for it to go even more different, as it appears Rey and Kylo will fight together in the throne room (with Rey even using Kylo’s saber at one point)

Luke's failure in the cave could be considered being tempted by the dark side.

Luke leaves his training early to rescue his friends... sure seems line Rey could be doing that when her and Kylo end up in the carbonite chamber... sorry... throne room...

Never mind, don't listen to me. I will stay positive. I WILL stay positive...

Is it just me, or is Disney more reluctant to put up technical information? They seem to be much more vague then Lucas used to be. I remember getting all the specs for the Clone Wars ships when they came out. Now, the Raddus is “around” 3000 meters and we don’t know Class or type it is. Same for the Ninka; it’s some Corellian ship of unknown dimensions. The vigil is a “Cargo Frigate” of unknown dimensions. At least we know the Anodyne is a Nebulon-C.... of unknown dimensions.

the way I understand it the supremacy is more like a mobile armed shipyard.

empire needs to stop putting all their eggs in giant baskets though.

16 minutes ago, Visovics said:

That would be very weird, as they are design to cause huge damages by planetary bombardment in orbital strikes, they are specialized ships for a specific planetary siege/attack purpuose, cannons on top would mean they’d have to be upside down in orbit to function as intended. They focused more on functionality than aesthetic

As has been noted elsewhere, there is no "upside down" in space. The entire purpose of a planetary bombardment weapon of this size and scale is that it doesn't need to get into the atmosphere. It just needs to be at a range and orientation where the gun can fire on a target. If the gun were on top, it would be really easy to represent in a game like Armada because you could have it just ready to blow a massive hole into any "normal" ship unfortunate enough to find itself in the way.

15 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

Regardless of how much the fleet was wiped out, the military high command almost certainly was, which is probably a more important factor. If the Pentagon was nuked, sure, we have plenty of other Soldiers, but getting them organized would be very difficult. Now spread that across a galaxy to a military that has been in peacetime operations for 30 years. Since we appear to be starting almost immediately after TFA, the Republic military should absolutely not be a factor.

As for the Raddus and the Finalizer, I think we could get away with 25-50% bigger than an ISD rather than couple and keeping them on the large base. We have a sliding scale for that reason. Plus, we've never seen these ships on screen next to old ships. I for one am extremely excited to get these in Armada. I love all the Resistance ships and, while I'm in the minority on this, I love the Resurgent.

Well the Republic fleet should not be a factor in the Last Jedi but it definitely should in the third movie.

Look at the aging Pacific Fleet at the start of World War 2 and the juggernaut it became at the end and you realize how mobilized the US's industrial might really became.

If the Rebels can churn out Starhawks in a year while still very much fighting an asymmetrical war, the New Republic with its vast resources can manage to churn out modernized warships.

Can someone explain to me why there is a resistance that works outside of the New Republic as a military force against the First Order? I never understood why there was a resistance, what are they resisting? The republic? The first order is more of a cult then a government.

5 minutes ago, ripper998 said:

Can someone explain to me why there is a resistance that works outside of the New Republic as a military force against the First Order? I never understood why there was a resistance, what are they resisting? The republic? The first order is more of a cult then a government.

As I understand it, the Empire and the New Republic came to terms and signed a peace treaty. The FO saw this as selling out and continues their fight, building up forces in the shadows. The resistance is fighting the FO, since the New Republic can't without breaking that peace treaty. At least that's the gist of it.

1 minute ago, Formynder4 said:

As I understand it, the Empire and the New Republic came to terms and signed a peace treaty. The FO saw this as selling out and continues their fight, building up forces in the shadows. The resistance is fighting the FO, since the New Republic can't without breaking that peace treaty. At least that's the gist of it.

But the Empire and the FO are two separate entities. Thats like saying the Partisans were the same as a rebellion but they werent....

6 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Is it just me, or is Disney more reluctant to put up technical information? They seem to be much more vague then Lucas used to be. I remember getting all the specs for the Clone Wars ships when they came out. Now, the Raddus is “around” 3000 meters and we don’t know Class or type it is. Same for the Ninka; it’s some Corellian ship of unknown dimensions. The vigil is a “Cargo Frigate” of unknown dimensions. At least we know the Anodyne is a Nebulon-C.... of unknown dimensions.

I'm sure it's by design. Putting up consistent numbers sounds great for nerds like us, but when you go to film something you want to create shots that really capture the drama. Forcing everything to always be locked to scale at all times can limit the filmmakers in their vision for a scene. This is one of the reasons why we always got wildly differing information on ships in the past, because the scale in an actual scene could be vastly different than the "official" size. It's also why we get more consistent information on smaller ships - we can frequently clearly see the pilot inside the cockpit, so the scale always has to be closely locked to the size of the pilot.

1 minute ago, ripper998 said:

Can someone explain to me why there is a resistance that works outside of the New Republic as a military force against the First Order? I never understood why there was a resistance, what are they resisting? The republic? The first order is more of a cult then a government.

The idea is that the New Republic won, and the Empire sued for peace. The normal Empire still vaguely exists, but it is no longer officially actively at war with the New Republic. However, the Resistance isn't having it - they believe, with some evidence, that the Imperial remnants are still a direct threat to the New Republic and peaceful peoples everywhere. So the Resistance is still fighting a guerrilla war against active Imperial threats like the First Order that the new Republic cannot officially condone.

Ugh, anyone else really really want to see the remaining empire if it is, in fact, separate from the First Order. I need to see a semi tall, rather blue commanding officer confronting that harry potter ginger on the big screen.

29 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Is it just me, or is Disney more reluctant to put up technical information? They seem to be much more vague then Lucas used to be. I remember getting all the specs for the Clone Wars ships when they came out. Now, the Raddus is “around” 3000 meters and we don’t know Class or type it is. Same for the Ninka; it’s some Corellian ship of unknown dimensions. The vigil is a “Cargo Frigate” of unknown dimensions. At least we know the Anodyne is a Nebulon-C.... of unknown dimensions.

Looks like the Pelta kinda.

Also we did get home one's size from Rebels clocking in at 1900 meter.

19 minutes ago, ripper998 said:

Can someone explain to me why there is a resistance that works outside of the New Republic as a military force against the First Order? I never understood why there was a resistance, what are they resisting? The republic? The first order is more of a cult then a government.

When the New Republic was established many of the worlds were still largely loyal to the Empire or had significant loyalist populations. Makes sense that these people weren't going to just disappear just as you have the descendants of Nazis in south america and Germany still causing problems. This population is mildly sympathetic to the First Order so you have all these secretly pro First Order senators throughout the Republic Senate.

This is partly why the New Republic took zero initiative taking action against the First Order, despite senators like Leia calling for opposition against them. So Leia founded the Resistance, to build up an experienced military force so that in the case the First Order did start a war there would be a force already mobilized to meet them head on to give the New Republic time to organize.

The ships the Resistance has are all old models, even the "new" X-Wings are a generation behind. Poe Dameron and the other X-Wing Jockies were all New Republic pilots who grew up on the stories of Wedge Antilles and Luke Skywalker and wnat to fight Imperials.

As we saw in the Force Awakens the First Order developed Starkiller Base and managed to obliterate a massive chunk of the New Republic's military in one fell swoop.

44 minutes ago, Noosh said:

Absolutely, surprise attack are generally best when used to cripple an equal or stronger opponent. Im just curious if they will make the FO's attack crippling or not. To kind of come back to history Pearl Harbor as devastaing as it was militairly, was not crippiling to the US warmachine as a whole only to the pacific fleet. And even then it could be argued that the most important core of the fleet survived untouched. I am intruiged as to what they will say happened to the new republic fleet. Total Annihlation, a heavy crippiling, or a scatering (cental command would of been destroyed leaving an unkown number of ships without a chain of command to organize them into a fightin force), i am full of speculation. But i just really want some cool space battles, so i guess at the end of the day whatever answer gets me that makes me happy.

Coming late to the discussion, but I will point out that concentrating your main battle fleet in a single anchorage is not uncommon at all. Look at Home Fleet at Scapa Flow, and Taranto - the Italians based all six of their battleships there. Swordfish = Starkiller base, in this case.

I actually really like all of those Rebel Resistance ships. Especially loving that sweet MC30 bow on the Vigil !

On 12/7/2017 at 10:39 AM, Gottmituns205 said:

*waiting for the inevitable battle of en...whatever...when the galaxy throws together a massive fleet to combat the first order."

Praying for the arrival of Thrawn and the Imperial Remnant or Eli Vanto and the Chiss fleet... honestly I'll take what I can get.

On 12/7/2017 at 0:10 PM, Drasnighta said:

Wait, wait, wait...

its name clearly ends with “-trix”, but someone calls it Male?

Latin facts! -trix is a feminine ending and:

debemus naves feminas vocare...

(Hopefully someone gets this)