I will be very upset if yet another Rebel ace pack is wasted fixing rushed movie tie-ins.

I want my X-wing + Y-wing box goddamit.

As much as some people are sticklers for "canonicity" (which as we've established is a wiggly subject for game designers throughout history) I don't think enough people will care, especially since the bomber has it's niche pretty plainly. Maybe down the road, but it doesn't need as much updating as say, Heroes of the Resistance did, which was used to bring in major characters on film who were missed by the game and arguably revitalized a classic ship. Not that I think the 1300 was in trouble, but I wasn't hearing as much about Han at the time, and I hear a lot about Rey. And Sympathizer is a better generic than ORS.

On 12/8/2017 at 4:49 AM, FTS Gecko said:

...for the millionth time.

The Lambda shouldn't have an auxillary firing arc. It doesn't need an auxillary firing arc. It's perfectly fine as it is.

A-Wings have a better claim to an auxillary firing arc than the Lambda does.

wrong. those guns in the picture are twin heavy laser cannons, a pair of them. the Emperor rides in one because its powerful! the back of the lambda has more firepower than the falcon does overall

U mean like the U-wing missing side gunners?

Yeah it should have at least been a 180 Aux Arc.

Instead it crashed and burned.

1 minute ago, Marinealver said:

U mean like the U-wing missing side gunners?

Gunner. As in singular. If I recall, we only ever see Bistan firing. There is also no evidence of a mag field, so given that they were in Scarif’s atmosphere, any door gunner would not be able to fire in space.

Now, the way to solve this is in x-wing 2.0, take a note from legion and have the setup bidding game to choose battlefield conditions - Asteroid field, Debris, Atmosphere, etc.

He seems to be wearing a space suit there. Just put on the helmet and they wouldn't need any magnetic field.

On 7.12.2017 at 3:49 PM, Magnus Grendel said:

Which is why I'm happy with it as shown in the film and the implied bit from its dial; in atmosphere, it's deadly. Out of atmosphere (where 'ailerons' shouldn't do anything if we're honest)

Depends if the ailerons are atmospheric or aether ailerons
The X-Wing-T-65BR comes with etheric rudders to improve its agility.

2 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Gunner. As in singular. If I recall, we only ever see Bistan firing. There is also no evidence of a mag field, so given that they were in Scarif’s atmosphere, any door gunner would not be able to fire in space.

Now, the way to solve this is in x-wing 2.0, take a note from legion and have the setup bidding game to choose battlefield conditions - Asteroid field, Debris, Atmosphere, etc.

Are you implying the side door weapons will not work? Because flight suits with life support systems are a thing in star wars.

Heck, Bistan is wearing a suit, just without helmet and gloves in the example shot.

3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Depends if the ailerons are atmospheric or aether ailerons
The X-Wing-T-65BR comes with etheric rudders to improve its agility.

*Prototype Etheric Rudders

Modification. X-Wing only.

Increase your agility value by 1.

You may treat your turn maneuvers as green.

2 pts

It's unique, but it is also fairly cheap (compared to what it does). It makes X-wings kinda good. It's not a title, so the eventual X-wing fix can be a title

Wedge and Poe would be monsters

Wedge(29)+BB-8(2)+Predator(3)+Prototype Etheric Rudders(2)

36 points of PAIN

Also, Luke's ability got waaaay better. In fact...

Luke Skywalker (28) + VI (1) + BB8 (2) + Prototype Etheric Rudder (2)

is a very good ace for 33 points.

1 hour ago, SEApocalypse said:

Are you implying the side door weapons will not work? Because flight suits with life support systems are a thing in star wars.

Heck, Bistan is wearing a suit, just without helmet and gloves in the example shot.

No I am implying that the combat dropship that is the U-wing, likely doesn't have mag fields on the doors.

As we have never seen a rebel in a sealed flight suit, and the troops (or passengers) that a u-wing would disgorge likely don't have sealed suits, as that is not its role, I don't think it is likely.

While the imperial safety standards are somewhat lacking, I would hope the in universe u-wing designers put failsafes to prevent the opening of doors outside of atmosphere, but that is stretching it.

We see ONE character firing a floor mounted gun, which doesn't imply that all u-wings are able to so that.

Finally, the only art FFG has of a u-wing unloading troops is on the inspiring recruit card, which shows, incorrectly that the loading/unloading is done from front doors. So, the u-wing side doors are in the same place as the SF’s really moves, the Strikers bombs, and the Silencers missiles

7 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

We see ONE character firing a floor mounted gun, which doesn't imply that all u-wings are able to so that.

Actually, because there is a floor mount for a weapon built into the U-Wing implies that all U-Wings are capable of doing this. Otherwise you would need some sort of evidence showing that this particular U-Wing was modified specifically for this purpose; evidence which is lacking as there is no backstory for that particular ship and crew. So, Occam's Razor points to it being standard.

47 minutes ago, kris40k said:

Actually, because there is a floor mount for a weapon built into the U-Wing implies that all U-Wings are capable of doing this. Otherwise you would need some sort of evidence showing that this particular U-Wing was modified specifically for this purpose; evidence which is lacking as there is no backstory for that particular ship and crew. So, Occam's Razor points to it being standard.

True, but is the standard firing while in space? So far we have only seen the doors open in atmosphere.

As this is a thread about the resistance bomber, perhaps we should get back to that.

I think we can agree that FFG made some errors in regards to movie ships - due to not getting adequate information.

6 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

As we have never seen a rebel in a sealed flight suit,

All Rebel Pilots are using sealed flight suits. The box on their chest is a life support system which will seal the suit in emergences with a field. ;-)

Fun stuff:

On 12/8/2017 at 11:17 AM, AwesomeJedi said:

Did you make these yourself? These are gorgeous models. How do I get some?

I did, and thank you! Search for T-85 on everyone's favorite 3D printing site, and check out my shop.

On 12/8/2017 at 2:26 AM, Magnus Grendel said:

Did it need an excuse? We haven't seen it before because we'd never seen a commando force being deployed on screen that I recall except via a 'sneak in pretending to be the imperials' stolen shuttle or transport.

For that matter, there's even a two-engine 'civilian' version in Rebels, if I recall correctly.

I swear I've seen the art piece that's from, but I don't think it's from the force awakens concept art book.

To be fair, my main memory of X-wings in that book was someone taking a lightsaber to a stardestroyer from an X-wing's cockpit....

Hmm, I'm not aware of the art you're referring to. To the degree that any X wing design can be original, these are something I came up with!

13 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Gunner. As in singular. If I recall, we only ever see Bistan firing. There is also no evidence of a mag field, so given that they were in Scarif’s atmosphere, any door gunner would not be able to fire in space.

Now, the way to solve this is in x-wing 2.0, take a note from legion and have the setup bidding game to choose battlefield conditions - Asteroid field, Debris, Atmosphere, etc.

I would have preferred if Legion was somehow compatible with X-wing in the same manner Hordes is compatible with Warmachines. However since they have chosen the same scale as Imperial Assault (because they wan't to compete with Games Workshop some more?) that is never going to be the case.

11 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

Are you implying the side door weapons will not work? Because flight suits with life support systems are a thing in star wars.

Heck, Bistan is wearing a suit, just without helmet and gloves in the example shot.

^THIS^

and as you would notice he is in a side compartment not in the main cargo area. Sure both side compartments could have the same set up. But as it was said the only way this will be fixed is a reprint of the U-wing via 2nd edition.

It looks like Bistan is firing a heavy blaster rifle, not a ship-to-ship weapon. It can be easily ignored for X-Wing purposes.

26 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

I would have preferred if Legion was somehow compatible with X-wing in the same manner Hordes is compatible with Warmachines. However since they have chosen the same scale as Imperial Assault (because they wan't to compete with Games Workshop some more?) that is never going to be the case.

^THIS^

and as you would notice he is in a side compartment not in the main cargo area. Sure both side compartments could have the same set up. But as it was said the only way this will be fixed is a reprint of the U-wing via 2nd edition.

If I recall from Rogue one, the u-wing doesn't have any side compartments, it is one empty area where the holding area leads directly to the cockpit, no doors to other areas.

5 minutes ago, DagobahDave said:

It looks like Bistan is firing a heavy blaster rifle, not a ship-to-ship weapon. It can be easily ignored for X-Wing purposes.

Except, time and again, hand held blasters have been shown to damage vehicles - remember Poe’s x-wing on Jakku was damaged enough by a handheld blaster (Stormtrooper F-11D) to ground it. Plus the stormtroopers fired thier blasters to completely scrap the ship.

13 hours ago, kris40k said:

Actually, because there is a floor mount for a weapon built into the U-Wing implies that all U-Wings are capable of doing this. Otherwise you would need some sort of evidence showing that this particular U-Wing was modified specifically for this purpose; evidence which is lacking as there is no backstory for that particular ship and crew. So, Occam's Razor points to it being standard.

3 hours ago, Marinealver said:

^THIS^

and as you would notice he is in a side compartment not in the main cargo area. Sure both side compartments could have the same set up. But as it was said the only way this will be fixed is a reprint of the U-wing via 2nd edition.

3 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

If I recall from Rogue one, the u-wing doesn't have any side compartments, it is one empty area where the holding area leads directly to the cockpit, no doors to other areas.

Except, time and again, hand held blasters have been shown to damage vehicles - remember Poe’s x-wing on Jakku was damaged enough by a handheld blaster (Stormtrooper F-11D) to ground it. Plus the stormtroopers fired thier blasters to completely scrap the ship.

"The integrated weapons systems of the U-wing are focused on ship to ship combat. The fixed-position laser cannons, the primary weapons use the ships orientation for targeting, limiting its application in ground support. The Rebel Alliance has opted not to refit the U-wing with side-firing modifications, but instead employs improvised weapon mounts to transform one or both of the loading doors into gunports. This is essential for covering landings and extractions. Any infantry-based heavy weapon could thus become part of the U-wing's loadout, providing the rebels can deploy a soldier willing to hang at the edge of the airframe in the thick of combat."

- taken from the UT-60D U-wing cross section in the visual dictionary.

This shows that the hardpoints on the U-wing are in fact Rebel modifications to suit infantry blasters, and that they could be swapped out, similar to a Black Hawk door gun emplacement. The cross section also shows the cargo bay has doors on each side with open air all the way through, even to the cockpit. That means the loading doors wouldn't be able to be open in space, and with the nature of the modification being for landing and extraction, we can assume their was no mag field present for space combat.

Source image:

1 hour ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Except, time and again, hand held blasters have been shown to damage vehicles - remember Poe’s x-wing on Jakku was damaged enough by a handheld blaster (Stormtrooper F-11D) to ground it. Plus the stormtroopers fired thier blasters to completely scrap the ship.

Star Wars is inconsistent about that. I'll just give you some movie examples, because I'm sure the novels and comics are all over the place. Stormtroopers weren't able to do much damage at all to the Falcon with their carbines and rifles in Mos Eisley for some reason. Poe's shields were down and his ship was stationary, and for once the stormtoopers fired with great accuracy to disable his X-Wing, so that makes some sense. Earlier in that scene, the Resistance fighters are landing shots on the First Order landing craft but having no effect, for some reason. A few scenes later, when Poe and Finn steal the Special Forces TIE and get caught by the tether, there are lots of stormtroopers at very close range pouring fire into it but somehow doing no damage, for some reason.

There's no consistency to it. I think it's about all about drama, not in-world physics.

In any case, it looks like Bistan has an infantry-scale heavy blaster rifle, which (based on just about every Star Wars roleplaying game's rules) simply wouldn't be suitable for serious combat at the speeds and distances seen in starfighter combat, even if we assume it can be fired through a space-sealed gunport.

On 12/7/2017 at 3:57 AM, DarthRossi said:

Before I start, please don't take this as inflammatory, I just felt like spilling my thoughts out.

The Last Jedi visual dictionary is now available to the world and as such, it comes with all the interesting information regarding new ships, pilots etc.

With the release of the new Resistance bomber, we once again run into a Tie Striker situation where FFG has no idea what function this ship plays.

Having an attack of 2 (which is a joke considering the 3 turrets and 4 front mounted guns, also see: Phantom I for ridiculous comparison), the MG-100 StarFortress (its real name, not the BSF whatever) is now going to suffer in that it plays totally differently to how we will see it in the film.

Based on information and current X-Wing wave-by-wave progression, it would have been nice to have seen this ship with some more thought. Firstly, primary turrets are bad for the game, this ship should have used the mobile firing arc mechanic. On top of that, I though that maybe the ship could have an attack value of 4 in the primary but 2 in the mobile. Give the ship 2 mobile arcs to represent multiple turrets and when both arcs are lined up it can have 3 or 4 attack.

Anyway, i'll look forward to the potential ace release to correct in the future.

If the turrets aren't being controlled by the pilot and are rather being controlled by gunners who can act separately from the ships, mobile arcs are a horrible representation of the ship's capabilities.

3 hours ago, BVRCH said:

"The integrated weapons systems of the U-wing are focused on ship to ship combat. The fixed-position laser cannons, the primary weapons use the ships orientation for targeting, limiting its application in ground support. The Rebel Alliance has opted not to refit the U-wing with side-firing modifications, but instead employs improvised weapon mounts to transform one or both of the loading doors into gunports. This is essential for covering landings and extractions. Any infantry-based heavy weapon could thus become part of the U-wing's loadout, providing the rebels can deploy a soldier willing to hang at the edge of the airframe in the thick of combat."

- taken from the UT-60D U-wing cross section in the visual dictionary.

This shows that the hardpoints on the U-wing are in fact Rebel modifications to suit infantry blasters, and that they could be swapped out, similar to a Black Hawk door gun emplacement. The cross section also shows the cargo bay has doors on each side with open air all the way through, even to the cockpit. That means the loading doors wouldn't be able to be open in space, and with the nature of the modification being for landing and extraction, we can assume their was no mag field present for space combat.

Source image:

So basically we are treating the U-wing like the Lambda shuttle. Those are just Anti-Pursuit Lasers except for they can't shoot down TIE Strikers that are on their 6.

Can we just admit that X-wing does a pretty poor job at representing Star Wars fighters exactly. It is not a simulation it is an abstraction. Otherwise X-wing would be rolling 4 dice and TIE Fighters can attack twice per round because their laser cannons fire faster.