14 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:

Do you know why Luke and Dutch? I'd expect Wedge (and Norra if theres 1 more point)

Luke is because his damage bypasses shields - very useful against how hull ships without a contain.

Dutch is because he toggles the activation slider AND could do extra damage - strong as as he can neuter any squadron.

11 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

I see you are ignoring Luke...or perhaps those memories are repressed? Admo isn't worried too much about him, but your other MC30s...

If we dont mention Luke then he doesnt exist. I find comfort in that.

4 hours ago, Megatronrex said:

Sure, if you consider a bunch of traitorous terrorists ****-bent on reinstating an oppressive theocratic government through any means the good guys.

Hear! hear!

Mon Mothma is essentially the Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi of the Star Wars galaxy.

And you know... that Obi Wan Kenobi, hiding out in the desert, radicalizing young farmboys after their foster parents are killed. That "only stormtroopers are so precise" always sounded a bit fishy to me. (I mean, stormtroopers are among the most courageous individuals in the galaxy, but let's be honest, we need to do a little bit about their blasterarms accuracy training...) Luke was unconscious for quite a while, and Obi-Wan had means, motive and opportunity.

6 hours ago, Megatronrex said:

Sure, if you consider a bunch of traitorous terrorists ****-bent on reinstating an oppressive theocratic government through any means the good guys.

Point of order, it's not technically a theocratic govt. The Jedi weren't a part of the government, and that lack of accountability played into a lot of strife in the EU.

The rest of the statement stands, however.

22 minutes ago, Formynder4 said:

Point of order, it's not technically a theocratic govt. The Jedi weren't a part of the government, and that lack of accountability played into a lot of strife in the EU.

The rest of the statement stands, however.

The Jedi were the Deep State of the Republic. When they learned that the legitimately-elected Supreme Chancellor happened to be a sith, they opted for a coup d'etat. Mace Windu seemed to be under the impression that the fact of being a heretic (ie. a sith) was a crime worthy of deposing a Supreme Chancellor, it seems to me that the Jedi Council is not all that different from the Guardian Council of the Islamic Republic of Iran (which also has 12 members), except that Iran has more separation of powers than the Republic seems to have had.

8 hours ago, Democratus said:

It's a little sad that even in a forum topic about strong Imperial lists - it's the Rebels that have multiple showings and unequivocally the best tourney record.

I'm curious how the regional season will play it. Of course, some of the bias in this thread is simply that we have a few people talking who do like Rebel lists, one of them being me. I thought SC season was more balanced than the previous regional season, and I expect this coming one to be reasonably balanced. I might be wrong in that assessment, but something of the remaining upgrade cards in wave 7 and when exactly wave 7 falls will have a big say in that.

This one has had success locally, including against Sloane aces:

ISD2 - Jerjerrod, gunnery, XI7, RBD, QLT, LS

ISD2 - gunnery, XI7, RBD, QLT, LS

3 Gozantis, 2 with comms

There are a few points on the table to make a bit of a bid for first or just play for 2nd and load up Suppressor, chart officers (or SFO), etc. Keep the ISDs together with the Gozantis out wide to cast a net. Sloane aces don't like facing counter 1 followed up by 2 ISD2 shots powered by Leading Shots.

2 hours ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

The Jedi were the Deep State of the Republic. When they learned that the legitimately-elected Supreme Chancellor happened to be a sith, they opted for a coup d'etat. Mace Windu seemed to be under the impression that the fact of being a heretic (ie. a sith) was a crime worthy of deposing a Supreme Chancellor, it seems to me that the Jedi Council is not all that different from the Guardian Council of the Islamic Republic of Iran (which also has 12 members), except that Iran has more separation of powers than the Republic seems to have had.

To be fair, Palpatine manufactured a galaxy-spanning war. The list of crimes he committed is likely a long one. Second-degree murder, treason and crimes against civilization are charges that come to mind right off the bat. The Jedi, for their part, were enforcers, and appeared to have some Republic-endowed powers. There’s no way they would have left him alone, Sith or not.

14 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

To be fair, Palpatine manufactured a galaxy-spanning war. The list of crimes he committed is likely a long one. Second-degree murder, treason and crimes against civilization are charges that come to mind right off the bat. The Jedi, for their part, were enforcers, and appeared to have some Republic-endowed powers. We’d need more information on the Republic’s legal system to really determine if they acted against it.

Please, stop your rebellious spin. Even your own propaganda movies demonstrate that Mace Windu did not go to arrest Palpatine for any of those charges.

The record clearly shows that Windu and his junta were only concerned with the continuation of the Jedi order's existence as an organization which did not owe any accountability to a legitimate political order. Nowhere does the record state any concern with the war, or the continuation of galactic democracy. It also does not show that they were even aware of Palpatine's brilliant work to solidify galactic political stability.

It was about the survival of the Jedi Order, for which they feared because of Palpatine's membership of a different religious interpretation from their doctrine. Windu was entirely prepared to take control of the Senate and replace its members with stooges more sympathetic to the Jedi's cause.

46 minutes ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

Please, stop your rebellious spin. Even your own propaganda movies demonstrate that Mace Windu did not go to arrest Palpatine for any of those charges.

The record clearly shows that Windu and his junta were only concerned with the continuation of the Jedi order's existence as an organization which did not owe any accountability to a legitimate political order. Nowhere does the record state any concern with the war, or the continuation of galactic democracy. It also does not show that they were even aware of Palpatine's brilliant work to solidify galactic political stability.

It was about the survival of the Jedi Order, for which they feared because of Palpatine's membership of a different religious interpretation from their doctrine. Windu was entirely prepared to take control of the Senate and replace its members with stooges more sympathetic to the Jedi's cause.

you should consider a job as lawyer for the current US admin, they're going to need as much help as possible not coming off as evil as Palpatine.

I must say that this thread is like two different one. Its a “the empire was good?” Thread and an actual armada thread.

but more importantly:

if anyone has read the essential guide to warfare and/or outbound flight you would know that Palpatine was just trying to make the galaxy a safe place and to defeat the Yuuzhan Vong. Also, the Empire did create stability and eliminated corruption quite extensively, pirates and criminals were rooted out and lots of jobs were created in the military and supporting industries. There were huge advances in science, such as kyber crystal power and stuff. Plus, the senate was very bad, they were corrupt to a point were trade groups could invade planets.

3 hours ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

Please, stop your rebellious spin. Even your own propaganda movies demonstrate that Mace Windu did not go to arrest Palpatine for any of those charges.

The record clearly shows that Windu and his junta were only concerned with the continuation of the Jedi order's existence as an organization which did not owe any accountability to a legitimate political order. Nowhere does the record state any concern with the war, or the continuation of galactic democracy. It also does not show that they were even aware of Palpatine's brilliant work to solidify galactic political stability.

It was about the survival of the Jedi Order, for which they feared because of Palpatine's membership of a different religious interpretation from their doctrine. Windu was entirely prepared to take control of the Senate and replace its members with stooges more sympathetic to the Jedi's cause.

You wound me, sir; I’ve always been a staunch Imperial. As for propaganda, the only facts given were that Palpatine was under arrest and that his fate would be decided by the Senate. The charge was interrupted by Palpatine committing murder. There is no evidence of Windu’s motive besides an outdated old tone that has since been declared unreliable. Make no mistake, I have no objections to the newer, more streamlined order we now enjoy. But as higher-ranking members of this order, we should be aware of the sacrifices the Emperor made, and the lengths he was willing to go to for his vision.

6 hours ago, Ken-Obi said:

This one has had success locally, including against Sloane aces:

ISD2 - Jerjerrod, gunnery, XI7, RBD, QLT, LS

ISD2 - gunnery, XI7, RBD, QLT, LS

3 Gozantis, 2 with comms

There are a few points on the table to make a bit of a bid for first or just play for 2nd and load up Suppressor, chart officers (or SFO), etc. Keep the ISDs together with the Gozantis out wide to cast a net. Sloane aces don't like facing counter 1 followed up by 2 ISD2 shots powered by Leading Shots.

I can see that doing well against Sloane lists, but in my experience fleets like that struggle against bomber lists of either side and MSU swarms. Not saying it isn't viable, bit its weaknesses are well known and player skill has to make up the gap often.

Also, because I'm on mobile and thus can't easily quote, @Vergilius, yes all current "good" lists have a skill floor, I meant that the Madine one's is higher than average. Notably that while any and every list can leverage good predictive skills, the Madine list leans into that to maximum possible effect, and is a little short on backstopping if that goes south at all. By contrast my dreadnought lists have much wider margins of error for where they land, not in the least because they can often survive a mistake. Hopefully that makes sense.

Yeah. Most of my lists have a very large margin of error. Although I don't know many advanced tactics, its mostly not because I err, but because I expect my opponent to be better than me. (And if they're not, it usually doesn't matter.)

7 hours ago, GiledPallaeon said:

Also, because I'm on mobile and thus can't easily quote, @Vergilius, yes all current "good" lists have a skill floor, I meant that the Madine one's is higher than average. Notably that while any and every list can leverage good predictive skills, the Madine list leans into that to maximum possible effect, and is a little short on backstopping if that goes south at all. By contrast my dreadnought lists have much wider margins of error for where they land, not in the least because they can often survive a mistake. Hopefully that makes sense.

Yes, I agree 100% here. Thanks for the clarification.

17 hours ago, GiledPallaeon said:

I can see that doing well against Sloane lists, but in my experience fleets like that struggle against bomber lists of either side and MSU swarms. Not saying it isn't viable, bit its weaknesses are well known and player skill has to make up the gap often.

I mostly agree - however I think the skill floor to this list is low-ish, which is part of why I posted it in response to the OP. It's fairly straightforward to run - you mostly just have to get used to deploying correctly and using both ISD big arcs to force at least 1 key enemy ship down per turn (for non-large enemy ships). It's also pretty fun and thematic to fly - it's not looking to fool anybody, just wants to move quick and use Jerjerrod to swing those arcs where there's no where to hide from that raw Imperial power! One sneaky benefit to running a fairly straightforward list is that when everybody else is mentally tired in battles 3 (+) of the day, you have an advantage.

3 hours ago, Ken-Obi said:

I mostly agree - however I think the skill floor to this list is low-ish, which is part of why I posted it in response to the OP. It's fairly straightforward to run - you mostly just have to get used to deploying correctly and using both ISD big arcs to force at least 1 key enemy ship down per turn (for non-large enemy ships). It's also pretty fun and thematic to fly - it's not looking to fool anybody, just wants to move quick and use Jerjerrod to swing those arcs where there's no where to hide from that raw Imperial power! One sneaky benefit to running a fairly straightforward list is that when everybody else is mentally tired in battles 3 (+) of the day, you have an advantage.

This is actually the bulk of my tournament strategy, though I have historically better results with dual I-1s packing an augmented version of @Snipafist's Bruiser Extraordinaire build, plus an Arq for fire support and a Gozanti because why not, Comms Net is cool.

9 hours ago, Ken-Obi said:

I mostly agree - however I think the skill floor to this list is low-ish, which is part of why I posted it in response to the OP. It's fairly straightforward to run - you mostly just have to get used to deploying correctly and using both ISD big arcs to force at least 1 key enemy ship down per turn (for non-large enemy ships). It's also pretty fun and thematic to fly - it's not looking to fool anybody, just wants to move quick and use Jerjerrod to swing those arcs where there's no where to hide from that raw Imperial power! One sneaky benefit to running a fairly straightforward list is that when everybody else is mentally tired in battles 3 (+) of the day, you have an advantage.

On the other hand meeting a straightforward list can mean you have an easier time defeating it in round 4, as opposed to a more complex list. And if you've run your list enough times, and know it very well, your more likely than not to run it just as well in round 4, despite any fatigue.

So maybe an advantage some of the time, but not universally so.

On 12/7/2017 at 8:37 PM, Jabby said:

I must say that this thread is like two different one. Its a “the empire was good?” Thread and an actual armada thread.

Indeed. Both of these are worthwhile. The original intent of this thread is about promoting Imperial victories and I, therefore do not want to further derail this important thread. I will therefore create a new thread in the off-topic forum to facilitate our collective admiration of the Empire.

In the meantime, I hope to learn more about those Tier 1 Empire lists, and how I should build them for the greater glory of the Emperor.

I honestly don't mind a casual derailing when its not an argument thread. =)

fly casual

Btw. We really probably should try a bit harder here...

So far, two ISD Sloane fleets have been nominated for T1 status. ...That weak of a showing is like getting honorable mention. =P

Hey @Ken-Obi, thanks for the contribution, can you elaborate more though? Do you really think it can handle most other T1s very well? I find that no-matter your deployment, you're going to lose a lot of ships vs bombers if you dont have any squadrons.

I got 7th in the Michigan regionals with this. I got crushed in the second round by the 2nd place finisher so take that fwiw.

Michigan Regionals - Final (399/400)
===================================
Imperial I-class Star Destroyer (110 + 43)
+ Admiral Sloane (24)
+ Skilled First Officer (1)
+ Boarding Troopers (3)
+ Leading Shots (4)
+ XI7 Turbolasers (6)
+ Avenger (5)
Quasar Fire I-class Cruiser-Carrier (54 + 10)
+ Flight Controllers (6)
+ Boosted Comms (4)
Gozanti-class Cruisers (23 + 2)
+ Comms Net (2)
Gozanti-class Cruisers (23)
Maarek Stele (21)
Colonel Jendon (20)
Dengar (20)
Ciena Ree (17)
"Howlrunner" (16)
"Mauler" Mithel (15)
Valen Rudor (13)
Saber Squadron (12)
Fighter Ambush
Superior Positions
Advanced Gunnery

@Viktor Tanek I had originally looked at running the XI7 on Avenger also, but decided against it. What made you choose to go with them?