That restriction is only in effect after you use ATC. Before that, it's not there.

7 hours ago, Oberron said:

On ATC "If you do, you cannot spend target locks during this attack." You can not spend a TL during the attack if you want to add a crit by ATC

That doesn't show that you can't have spent a TL before using ATC. Try again.

7 hours ago, Oberron said:

So the card and what the rules say is completely wrong? Your position is that you can do something during a certain period that a card says you cannot do

No, the rules are right, you're just reading something into them that isn't there. My position is that you can do something during the period where there is no ability telling me I cannot do it.

7 hours ago, Oberron said:

So if it isn't a restriction then what is "If you do, you cannot spend target locks during this attack."? It is at the very least a requirement that must be fulfilled, that requirement is cannot spend target locks during this attack.

That's a restriction on what can happen after you play the attack. It's not a requirement to be fulfilled. It's not a requirement at all. It's a ban that comes into force when the ability is used. I could spend target lock before, I can't spend target locks after.

7 hours ago, Oberron said:

I didn't invent ATC nor the rules for x-wing.

That's right. You invented a rule that isn't in X-Wing.

7 hours ago, Oberron said:

I'm not trying to "add in" anything. It prevents you from spending target locks DURING the attack. The attack is still going on if you use ATC or spend a TL. It is the same time frame.

You're trying to add in that it has an effect before it is played. It does not because it does not say that it does.

7 hours ago, Oberron said:

Awww that's cute. Its also completely wrong.

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Which is, of course, why you have done nothing to show such.

7 hours ago, Oberron said:

The ability says what you can't do during an entire segment (the attack) it doesn't matter 'when' atc is used you still can not spend target locks during that segment.

No, it doesn't. It says you can't spend target locks during the attack, which is different. Since it's an activated ability, you can't spend target locks between the moment you play the ability and the end of the attack.

7 hours ago, Oberron said:

Assuming you can do something when a card says you can't is unwarranted assumption not conveyed by the actual words.

Except that there is no card or ruling saying I can't. ATC doesn't say that I can't, no matter how many times you repeat (without explanation) that it does.

ATC says you can't spend target locks. It does not say you cannot have spent a target lock. The former is reality. The latter is your invention.

26 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

That restriction is only in effect after you use ATC. Before that, it's not there.

And the only way to fulfill that restriction is to not spend a target lock during this attack. If you do spend a target lock at any point during the attack you are still spending a target lock during the attack. It is an odd catch 22 situation, but the duration of the restriction can't be ignored even if it wasn't in effect for the entire time and cannot is absolute.

I do agree with you, it could and should be worded better.

5 minutes ago, Oberron said:

And the only way to fulfill that restriction is to not spend a target lock during this attack.

But why would you assume there is anything to 'fulfil' at all?

1 hour ago, Oberron said:

And the only way to fulfill that restriction is to not spend a target lock during this attack. If you do spend a target lock at any point during the attack you are still spending a target lock during the attack. It is an odd catch 22 situation, but the duration of the restriction can't be ignored even if it wasn't in effect for the entire time and cannot is absolute.

I do agree with you, it could and should be worded better.

No, you can fulfil the restriction written on the card perfectly well by spending a lock, then using ATC.

Nothing written in the rules prevents this from occurring*.

You are making things up.

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*It should, and I hope it will in the next FAQ but as written right now, it doesn't.

6 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

No, you can fulfil the restriction written on the card perfectly well by spending a lock, then using ATC.

Nothing written in the rules prevents this from occurring*.

You are making things up.

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*It should, and I hope it will in the next FAQ but as written right now, it doesn't.

If you spend a target lock during the attack you are still spending a targetlock during the attack. ATC says you can't spend target locks during the attack. I'm not making anything up. You keep trying to say spent is different from spend when it is done during the same time frame. If you use ATC one of the restrictions is you can not spend Target locks "during the attack" it doesn't say you can not spend target locks "from this point forward"

2 hours ago, Oberron said:

You keep trying to say spent is different from spend when it is done during the same time frame.

No, he's not trying to say that and it's not the same timeframe. The timeframe from the initiation of the attack to the end of the attack is different from the activation of the ability to the end of the attack.

20 hours ago, Holmelund said:

Anyone who thinks or wants to try to force a "Im allowed to use a Target Lock from Targeting Synchronizer and still ad a Crit from ATC" please show up to a tournament I TO.
Ill take pleasure in smacking you on the backside of your head and tell you to stop being a ****.

As noted, I don't think this should or is intended to work.

Someone screwed up.

And the foul language really doesn't help anything.