You said they were elite but not compared to other militaries.

2 minutes ago, Col. Dash said:

You said they were elite but not compared to other militaries.

Not sure how you got untrained from that but militaries determine eliteness among their own forces not in comparison to other military powers. For example Stormtroopers are elite when compared to Army Troopers but not necessarily when compared to Mistryl Shadow Guards or Mandalorian Supercommandos.

That doesn't mean untrained. It just means they aren't streets ahead of other military forces, which is fairly accurate based on many portrayals of them.

OK. I indeed interpreted it differently. Compared to a standard army or rebel army trooper they were much better trained. But yeah you compare them to Mandalorians then they seem a bit underwhelming.

5 minutes ago, Col. Dash said:

OK. I indeed interpreted it differently. Compared to a standard army or rebel army trooper they were much better trained. But yeah you compare them to Mandalorians then they seem a bit underwhelming.

When you say Mandalorians do you mean Canon or Legends Mandalorians?

The only info I know on Mandalorians is from Rebels. In most of the novels I have read there were very few references to them except being great warriors and Fett wearing a suit of their armor which stat-wise was pretty awesome. In Rebels they are a fair cut above a standard storm trooper in ability and far better equipped.

Legends Mandos are the only true Mandos

(Actually, Rebels did them ok to be fair).

I still don't understand why the military under the cash strapped republic was able to field a fully armored infantry force and then suddenly the empire which doesn't need to submit a budget to anyone is fielding guys in tin hats.i don't deny the existence of the imperial any trooper, I am just saying that they would be wearing either surplus clone gear or stormtrooper armor. US army rangers wear identical uniforms to average soldiers. Why? Because it is a standard infantry dress.

I guess at this point I am not arguing the existence of army troopers vs stormtroopers but rather their portrayal. If they are doing the jobs we see them doing in the movies like light security, transport, etc, then I could see them wearing a light kit but if they truly serve as an infantry force I don't think they would be fighting without proper protection.

This won't be a satisfying answer, but it's a true one nonetheless (only one answer though):

Much in Star Wars makes little to no sense, especially some of the Empires actions/plans/tactics/whatever. Trying to ascribe too much logic to a world of magic space ninjas with laser swords, giant death moons, World War 1/2 dogfights in space, weirdly anachronistic technology and batshit mental villains will just lead you to madness.

I gave up a long time ago, and just accept stuff at face value.

1 minute ago, Extropia said:

This won't be a satisfying answer, but it's a true one nonetheless (only one answer though):

Much in Star Wars makes little to no sense, especially some of the Empires actions/plans/tactics/whatever. Trying to ascribe too much logic to a world of magic space ninjas with laser swords, giant death moons, World War 1/2 dogfights in space, weirdly anachronistic technology and batshit mental villains will just lead you to madness.

I gave up a long time ago, and just accept stuff at face value.

This is true. I guess what it comes down to is that I want ffg to release something more interesting than a bunch of space wehrmacht soldiers.

On 12/6/2017 at 3:02 PM, jcmonson said:

Storm troopers would be the equivalent to Marines in the US Military. They are more offensively oriental which is why you see them in the movies all of the time. Scarif can be explained as it being a secret facility and so warrants a Stormtrooper detatchment. The Grey Helmets are standard Army troopers. They work with the Stormtroopers when they are together such as seen in Return of the Jedi. All of the other battles the Empire is attacking.

...no.....not equal to stormtroopen....
us marines are naval infantry.....work for the department of the navy.....

....if looking for more elite forces that are larger organizations...then maybe the us ranger battalions or even the very light but airmobile 101st air assault...but not the us naval infantry marines...

true there probably isn't a great comparison to modern military, though Star Destroyer's carried a contingent of storm troopers so there is roll that the marines share with them

....us navy carried us army to landing sites throughout wwii...stormtroopen are not equal to marines...very incorrect assumption...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Army .... as stated that they aligned und "...operated as part..." of imperial army.

Does anyone know what the correct term for aquatic forces is in the Star Wars universe if the space forces are called the Navy. What branch of the Imperial Military do the TIE Torpedoes and AT-AT Swimmers belong to.

Imperial Army still, but specifically the Maritime Division:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Maritime_Division

"The Imperial Army, under its maritime branch , also utilized aquatic vehicles. During the reign of the First Galactic Empire, it utilized Aquatic Destroyers (including a heavily armed variant ), Aquatic Terrain Armored Transports , Aquatic Scout Ships , Aquadon CAVa 400s , Explorer Submergibles , Imperial submarines , aquatic transports , TIE fighter boats , and waveskimmers, such as the AQ-5 Waveskimmer and the Single person waveskimmer . The Amphibion was also utilized during the time of the Dark Empire."

Thanks @Extropia

I want to see Cpt Rex so bad...

3 hours ago, wintermoonwolf said:

....us navy carried us army to landing sites throughout wwii...stormtroopen are not equal to marines...very incorrect assumption...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Army .... as stated that they aligned und "...operated as part..." of imperial army.

I did say Modern military not WWII. I also said that the storm troopers were stationed on the navy ship, not just transported. Anyway this is off topic for this tread, and I already admitted it wasn't a great example. The SS example from WWII is a better one.

To try and bring this back on topic, I think it wouldn't be to hard for FFG to port over some of the characters from Imperial Assault as commanders. What I would really like to see is Commanders not from the movies/books as it would allow players to 1) have a cheap commander option and 2) come up with their own stories/background. I'm not saying that the major Commanders from the movies/books shouldn't be there, they should, but so should the others. I however don't want to see commanders that don't fit. The Emperor is an example of one that wouldn't fit in my opinion. He gained that position through political maneuvering, and he never lead troops.

On 07/12/2017 at 4:27 PM, Col. Dash said:

The only info I know on Mandalorians is from Rebels. In most of the novels I have read there were very few references to them except being great warriors and Fett wearing a suit of their armor which stat-wise was pretty awesome. In Rebels they are a fair cut above a standard storm trooper in ability and far better equipped.

Somehow I missed this.

Republic Commando novels. They are great (imo, there are some pretty rabidly disagreeing sorts due to some old drama).

18 minutes ago, Extropia said:

Somehow I missed this.

Republic Commando novels. They are great (imo, there are some pretty rabidly disagreeing sorts due to some old drama).

Karen Traviss is a rather unpopular writer among a very large portion of Star Wars fans. Her willingness to ignore canon whenever it suits her (she's openly admitted that she has never read anything Star Wars that she didn't write), coupled with her willingness to insult fans and other writers has not helped her popularity.

29 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

Karen Traviss is a rather unpopular writer among a very large portion of Star Wars fans. Her willingness to ignore canon whenever it suits her (she's openly admitted that she has never read anything Star Wars that she didn't write), coupled with her willingness to insult fans and other writers has not helped her popularity.

Yep. Totally get the reasons, I just didn't want to open that particular can of worms

Gideon Argus

He would have 4 command cards.

2x 2 pip cost, 1x 3 pip cost and 1x 4 pip cost. No 1 pip cost

2 pip cost but he could command 3 units.

2 pip cost but can give orders to 2 units at range 4.

3 and 4 would be normal command cards.

Upgrades could be add a trooper or two and a mission card that allows troopers to reroll 1 die while defending.

I would also love to see Thrawn with some cool Command Cards and Mission cards.

Kayn Somos

Unique Command cards

2x 3pip and 1x 2 pip

3 pip command Kayn & 2 corps

3 pip command 2 Corps (a corps unit activated by this command gains precise 1 for this turn)

2 pip command 2 units

upgrades would be 2 extra trooper and grenade