39 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

I started playing with my brother's "board game night" crew, because 3-4 of them got excited about XWM at GenCon. I have firmly stated "invite me when you play XWM (only)."

I love X-Wing and all, but I find it's nice to have a variety of games fill one's gaming time. There are some great games out there in all sorts of different styles and genres, and many of them scratch itches that X-Wing doesn't even begin to satisfy. I couldn't imagine spending more than about 25% of my hobby gaming time on X-Wing, because it'd get so stale and repetitive. One can only roll red dice at green dice so often.

I highly recommend you at least go to the group a couple of times when they are doing different games and keep an open mind, as there are some real gems out there worth playing with a fun group of people. Scythe, Coup, Lords of Waterdeep, Alhambra, Agricola, Hanabi, Eclipse, Carcassone, Telestrations, Blood Bowl, Battlestar Galactica, Rebellion, Small World, Terra Mystica, Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective, Dominion, Love Letter, Citadels, Ricochet Robots, etc. etc. etc. ...

While I give X-Wing a very impressive 7/10 (though that probably ought come down a bit in this Post Wave 8 meta we live in), there are dozens of games I've given 8s and 9s and two I'd give the perfect 10 score (based on the BGG style of rating one's games).

I can imagine that X-Wing will still be there in 5 years. I have observed a design change over the past few waves; FFG is being a lot more careful about what upgrade they do release for which ships. While the early upgrades such as PTL and predator can be applied to anything with an EPT, most of the new upgrades either can only fit on certain ships (small ship only, must have a torpedo and missile slot, less than 3 agility tie, etc). Even more importantly, some upgrades are designed so that they will only be worth their points in combination with others (threat tracker and FCS for example).

While it does drive me bonkers to find that so few new upgrades can give my beloved IG-88 a helping hand, I do have to admit (reluctantly) that it is for the long term good of the game.

Eventually FFG may be forced to go the 2.0 route, but they could probably release a pack of cards with reviewed costs / abilities and this would be fixed. They will delay it for as long as possible because this would rub people the wrong way, but I'm not too worried right now.

9 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

With all due respect...

Stop pretending Prequel fans don't matter. Stop it. I enjoy all three eras, but I'm part of the era that grew up with the Prequels. Not as my introduction to Star Wars mind you, I was excited to see Episode I when I was 7. But I'd seen all the films prior, I already had strong attachments to established characters, I'd played loads of games that were set in the OT- really the only era at the time. In my lifetime I've been alive for the beginning of every new era but the post-ROTJ one kicked off by Zahn in 1991. I've witnessed each one since.

And I can firmly tell you...

That Prequel fans are many. But they don't talk about it, because they can't. They can't openly say how much they love the Clones or how much more interesting they think the Clone Wars are than the Galactic Civil War. They can't, because people clutching to the OT like it's all that could ever define Star Wars and themselves, can't seem to see that their opinions are not the only ones that matter, and haven't been since 1999.

So are you saying Star Wars fans use Darth Vader t-shirts instead of General Grievous, Count Dooku, Anakin, Jar Jar Binks, young Obi Wan (he is pretty badass, BTW) or Darth Maul (OK, this one has a lot of t-shirts)'s because of other people's prejudice? Or because the PT is not as loved as the OT?

I was 24 at the Ep. I release and I remember the bombardment of Star Wars merchandise all over the medias. But as the PT ended, you see the OT stuff gradually take over of the Star Wars stuff out there. Until today, where the Prequels are mostly buried. Is this because of some global conspiracy or are the Prequels just... not as good and charming as the OT?

If there are so many oppressed Prequel fans out there, I invite you to rise and show your numbers. Take up the mainstream! Or go back to hide in shame.

50 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

You can look back at the history of West End Games, Decipher, and Wizards of the Coast. They've all dabbled in Star Wars games (RPGs, Cards, Tabletops, Boardgames) and none of them had a game that lasted longer than 10 years. This doesn't mean FFG has a ticking countdown for another five years or so, but it's pretty safe to say that the chances of X-Wing being around in 20 years is zero.

Agreed. What will likely kill this game is a licensing dispute.

The counter argument to that might be Hasbro (which bought Kenner). Essentially, the same company has been making SW action figures for 40 YEARS!!

42 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

What's Blue Squadron? Why aren't we going with Rogues or Wraiths?

Blue Squadron assaulted the planet on Scarif. The only reason to prefer them over Rogues or Wraith is canon vs. EU. Personally, I would go with Wraith Squadron--who doesn't want a Gamorrean X-Wing pilot!!

41 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

I love X-Wing and all, but I find it's nice to have a variety of games fill one's gaming time. There are some great games out there in all sorts of different styles and genres, and many of them scratch itches that X-Wing doesn't even begin to satisfy. I couldn't imagine spending more than about 25% of my hobby gaming time on X-Wing, because it'd get so stale and repetitive. One can only roll red dice at green dice so often.

Well, since I get to play XWM about once a month, I'm hardly reaching burn out. My other gaming hobby is GURPS roleplay, also once a month.

I spend more time on X-Wing as a modeler doing repaints, terrain, and photographs than actual listbuilding and playing, more's the pity.

Lastly, in the '90s, I was actively playing (and buying) three different CCGs, three different RPGs, and one miniatures game. It this point, I'm kinda content to have just one basket to add eggs to.

4 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Uh huh...

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2014/12/19/here-comes-the-imperial-raider/

Wait, the Raider was entirely made-up by FFG? I thought it was shown in Rebels?

On 12/3/2017 at 7:54 AM, any2cards said:

I think the better question is if the EARTH (and us to play the game) will be around in 5, 10, 20 years?

There sure seem to be some bad actors in this world that want to make sure that we don't get to say "PewPewPew" for much longer.

On that note, will we be able to see the movie the rate those actors are moving?

5 minutes ago, papy72 said:

Wait, the Raider was entirely made-up by FFG? I thought it was shown in Rebels?

After the miniature was released, IIRC.

3 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

I'm pretty exited that this week I can started putting together First Order only based lists with the TIE/FO, /sf, Silencer, and Upsilon shuttle.

3 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

The fact that Rogue One was barely mined for ideas flabbergasts me.

6 minutes ago, papy72 said:

Wait, the Raider was entirely made-up by FFG? I thought it was shown in Rebels?

Was entirely made up by ffg and Lucasfilm liked it so much they made it canon.

Then the mouse got a hold of it and EA took it and put it in their P2W battlefront.

4 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

On that note, will we be able to see the movie the rate those actors are moving?

Yes, we’ll see TLJ, it’s what 11 days? And if I’m wrong, you can leave a “i told you so “ comment before the blast knocks out the WiFi.

1 hour ago, papy72 said:

Wait, the Raider was entirely made-up by FFG? I thought it was shown in Rebels?

No sir. It hasn't even appeared there- trust me I'd have noticed. The Raider is 100% an FFG idea.

1 hour ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Was entirely made up by ffg and Lucasfilm liked it so much they made it canon.

Then the mouse got a hold of it and EA took it and put it in their P2W battlefront.

What ridiculous rhetoric. You can't have your cake and eat it too. At this point, Disney and Lucasfilm are essentially the same entity as Star Wars is concerned. I don't understand your angle here- I'm all for disparaging Battlefront II 2, but The Corvus is a minor-role vessel at best. You should be quite happy that the magnificent design that is The Raider has now been seen by not just us plastic crack addicts, but millions of casual Star Wars fans.

The Imperial Raider is now ingrained into the Star Wars mythos as an Imperial vessel that can match a TIE Fighter's speed and can gun down fighters with ease.

3 hours ago, Odanan said:

So are you saying Star Wars fans use Darth Vader t-shirts instead of General Grievous, Count Dooku, Anakin, Jar Jar Binks, young Obi Wan (he is pretty badass, BTW) or Darth Maul (OK, this one has a lot of t-shirts)'s because of other people's prejudice? Or because the PT is not as loved as the OT?

I was 24 at the Ep. I release and I remember the bombardment of Star Wars merchandise all over the medias. But as the PT ended, you see the OT stuff gradually take over of the Star Wars stuff out there. Until today, where the Prequels are mostly buried. Is this because of some global conspiracy or are the Prequels just... not as good and charming as the OT?

If there are so many oppressed Prequel fans out there, I invite you to rise and show your numbers. Take up the mainstream! Or go back to hide in shame.

We'd need to have a lot more invitations. But no, I didn't say people have Vader shirts for prejudiced reasons.

But do me a favor. Ask anybody from the age of 15-20 what they think of The Clone Wars. That is the Star Wars childhood of countless fans.

On ‎12‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 9:54 AM, any2cards said:

I think the better question is if the EARTH (and us to play the game) will be around in 5, 10, 20 years?

There sure seem to be some bad actors in this world that want to make sure that we don't get to say "PewPewPew" for much longer.

Pfft. Just start making the miniatures out of a material that can withstand a nuclear blast. Problem solved.

15 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

But do me a favor. Ask anybody. . .

Maybe I won't ask my co-worker who thinks the main bad guy is "Dark Vader."

No.

x-wing is already dying. just check ebay prices, X-wing is declining in popularity. the attitudes on this board are toxic, and FFG has purposefully built power imbalances into the game. that could change, but for now its lookin grim

1 minute ago, Vontoothskie said:

No.

x-wing is already dying. just check ebay prices, X-wing is declining in popularity. the attitudes on this board are toxic, and FFG has purposefully built power imbalances into the game. that could change, but for now its lookin grim

I believe I've seen this argument on pretty much every single message board dedicated to a game as justification that their game is dying. Sadly, this being the Internet, we will never fully escape toxicity. That being said, this actually seems to be one of the friendlier communities that I've been a part of.

I know no game lasts forever, but nothing about this community's attitudes indicate that the end is nigh.

21 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Maybe I won't ask my co-worker who thinks the main bad guy is "Dark Vader."

Alright. But I didn't quite say to ask somebody quite like him. Somebody you know is a Star Wars fan, in that age group.

11 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

x-wing is already dying. just check ebay prices, X-wing is declining in popularity. the attitudes on this board are toxic,

5 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

I believe I've seen this argument on pretty much every single message board dedicated to a game as justification that their game is dying. Sadly, this being the Internet, we will never fully escape toxicity. That being said, this actually seems to be one of the friendlier communities that I've been a part of.

I know no game lasts forever, but nothing about this community's attitudes indicate that the end is nigh.

Moreover, I would never use an online garage sale as a metric to judge the health of any commercial venture. . .

3 hours ago, Sasajak said:

Just asked Google this question. It says yes:

http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-x-wing-20-years-later-and-still-awesome

2 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Moreover, I would never use an online garage sale as a metric to judge the health of any commercial venture. . .

Agreed. A glut of used stuff going cheap on eBay is a bad sign not a good one.

Xwing is alive and well for quite some time.

3 hours ago, JJ48 said:

Pfft. Just start making the miniatures out of a material that can withstand a nuclear blast. Problem solved.

Cockroaches. Make the minis out of Cockroaches. Then they can move themselves as well as outlast us after THE BIG ONE !

3 minutes ago, any2cards said:

Cockroaches. Make the minis out of Cockroaches. Then they can move themselves as well as outlast us after THE BIG ONE !

Ok, if they do that, I'm out. Goodbye, X-Wing!

3 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

No sir. It hasn't even appeared there- trust me I'd have noticed. The Raider is 100% an FFG idea.

What ridiculous rhetoric. You can't have your cake and eat it too. At this point, Disney and Lucasfilm are essentially the same entity as Star Wars is concerned. I don't understand your angle here- I'm all for disparaging Battlefront II 2, but The Corvus is a minor-role vessel at best. You should be quite happy that the magnificent design that is The Raider has now been seen by not just us plastic crack addicts, but millions of casual Star Wars fans.

The Imperial Raider is now ingrained into the Star Wars mythos as an Imperial vessel that can match a TIE Fighter's speed and can gun down fighters with ease.

I have a cake, I eat a cake, huuuughh I eat cake, help I’m in a sugar comma.

I mean Disney did axe a lot of Eu canon and for awhile it seemed the raider was gone for good.

I’m glad they brought it back just given the history of Star Wars video games as canon sources I’d like something a little more solid.

1 hour ago, FlyingAnchors said:

I have a cake, I eat a cake, huuuughh I eat cake, help I’m in a sugar comma.

I mean Disney did axe a lot of Eu canon and for awhile it seemed the raider was gone for good.

I’m glad they brought it back just given the history of Star Wars video games as canon sources I’d like something a little more solid.

Dude. No it didn't.

Disney purchased Star Wars in October of 2012. Disney Legends'd the EU in April of 2014. The Raider was created in October of the same year.

I don't want to be overtly aggressive, but come on dude, The Raider was always safe in the canon. It was never brought back because it post-dates the acquisition AND the EU retcon. I've been seeing this rhetoric applied to cancelling Battlefront III IN 2008! It's crazy! People want to blame Disney for everything... But Disney had zero hand in SO many things.