1 minute ago, Visovics said:

Should also be noted it wasn’t just a soft claim in flavour. It was a direct statement of his flavour, IN HIS FIRST POST OF THE GAME. Now it’s been largely seeming that flavour and roles have a correlation, so he either signed his death warrant transforming his role in useless, or he signed someone else’s in case the doctor risks on trying to preserve him, it’s an awful move that is not benefitial at all. The votes came as pressure for him to explain, and there is absolutely no good reads in D1, so not many better reads for thode people

He stated he was second in command. That implies he is first mate. So what? What if his role is a universal backup? What if he is just a vanilla, but his flavor happens to be XO? What if he is just fooling around and there is no first mate ? Who cares what his flavor is? There is no guarantee that flavor has anything to do with role. Nor must we protect him at night. But if he has a role, then the scum will try killing him, or assume the doc (should there be one) is protecting him. As I said, just like they assume the doc is protecting him, and so will target another, the doc can assume they are targeting another, and protect another. There is no guarantee that either side will target Pod . There is a possibility that he has a useful role.

7 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

That's not quite accurate. If we have to protect him, and the scum just target somebody else, why would we protect him? The scum aren't gonna target him. They don't know whether we are protecting him or not, so thy don't know if they should risk it. Any protector out there then has the choice - bluff the scum, and protect another - thereby protecting 2 people, or not. It is a risk, but it does not guarantee a free kill.

You are also assuming any role he is implying is cop. That is not necessarily the case. He could be anything.

Forcing us to lynch him is not beneficial to Pod.

Basically, I disagree with just about everything you say above. I can see where you are coming from, but I think you are using many leaps in logic that are based on assumptions and single outcomes. I do not know if Pod is scum and is laughing himself to death at my posts, or whether is he town singing my praises, but I do know that I do not like the reasoning used by those who seek to lynch him. I find it sub-par reasoning, especially coming from such players as CNinja, Mad, and yourself. Therefore:

##vote Brobafett

And I disagree with you on every point as well, so it appears we are at an impasse. It is not a sneaky way to get 2 protections, its a game of cat and mouse that the town will lose because scum have information we don't (namely, who is scum).

Maybe I am rusty and this is bad play on my part, but I think how I think, and right now I am in favor of lynching Pod, GNIPS, or anyone who has not contributed more than a post or 2 to this point despite the conversation being pretty active. If Pod, GNIPS, and I are all town then the scum will be those lying in the silence letting us chop our own heads off.

16 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

i'm on pod for the funs at the moment

How about now EbonHawk?

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

He stated he was second in command. That implies he is first mate. So what? What if his role is a universal backup? What if he is just a vanilla, but his flavor happens to be XO? What if he is just fooling around and there is no first mate ? Who cares what his flavor is? There is no guarantee that flavor has anything to do with role. Nor must we protect him at night. But if he has a role, then the scum will try killing him, or assume the doc (should there be one) is protecting him. As I said, just like they assume the doc is protecting him, and so will target another, the doc can assume they are targeting another, and protect another. There is no guarantee that either side will target Pod . There is a possibility that he has a useful role.

GNIPS - he asks flat out for protection. This falls completely flat.

11 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

He stated he was second in command. That implies he is first mate. So what? What if his role is a universal backup? What if he is just a vanilla, but his flavor happens to be XO? What if he is just fooling around and there is no first mate ? Who cares what his flavor is? There is no guarantee that flavor has anything to do with role. Nor must we protect him at night. But if he has a role, then the scum will try killing him, or assume the doc (should there be one) is protecting him. As I said, just like they assume the doc is protecting him, and so will target another, the doc can assume they are targeting another, and protect another. There is no guarantee that either side will target Pod . There is a possibility that he has a useful role.

Yeah, but this whole bluffing thing and assuming what the others do goes in circles, and also since we're talking possibilities , what about the possibility of him attracting the doc being vanilla in a bluff while scum kill someone else, with an power role, who the doctor would have a higher possibility of protecting had Pod not done this, or even the posibility of Pod not even being town and attracting the doc so scummates can do the dirty job? There is always a possibility for EVERYTHING, the problem is that Pod just gave messed the odds with this, and gives everyone here a harder time. If he's still alive tomorrow, who is to say he is not scum and this is why he's alive? as likely as scum expecting him to be protected. See the problem it's creating? You can't just "wait and see what happens" because it's never in town's favour if we let this happen, because we don't know anything, while scum do and can play with this.

My two cents, it does seem very odd to ask for protection day one, without knowing we even have a protector, as it paints a target on that person's back. Unless that person doesn't need to worry about being targeted, or has a role that works best when a scum tries to night kill them.

10 Players= 6 to Hammer

@PodRacer (4) Madaghmire, EbonHawk, CaribbeanNinja, BrobaFett

@Visovics (1) Onidsen

@GhostofNobodyInParticular (1) Visovics

@Madaghmire (0)

@Caldias (0)

@CaribbeanNinja (1) Ovinomanc3r

@ovinomanc3r (0)

@Onidsen (0) Visovics

@EbonHawk (0)

@BrobaFett (2) PodRacer, GNiPs

36 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

GNIPS - he asks flat out for protection. This falls completely flat.

Sure, he asked for it. But that doesn't mean he'll get it.

19 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Yeah, but this whole bluffing thing and assuming what the others do goes in circles, and also since we're talking possibilities , what about the possibility of him attracting the doc being vanilla in a bluff while scum kill someone else, with an power role, who the doctor would have a higher possibility of protecting had Pod not done this, or even the posibility of Pod not even being town and attracting the doc so scummates can do the dirty job? There is always a possibility for EVERYTHING, the problem is that Pod just gave messed the odds with this, and gives everyone here a harder time. If he's still alive tomorrow, who is to say he is not scum and this is why he's alive? as likely as scum expecting him to be protected. See the problem it's creating? You can't just "wait and see what happens" because it's never in town's favour if we let this happen, because we don't know anything, while scum do and can play with this.

I know it's a risk, and I realize that he may have thrown the odds out the window, but has he, really, done too much damage? Assuming we have a doc, why can't he just protect whomever he wants? The scum don't know. You can argue that anybody who turns up dead is a result of Pod, but we'll never know. What if the doc protects neither Pod nor the eventual target? You can't blame that on Pod. I do not know the extent to which Pod has messed with anything, but I cannot see it as extensive. I mean, were I the doc, I would not be overly eager to defend Pod. In fact, I probably wouldn't . So why should I assume that the actual doc would do the same?

You and pod are the only ones voting for me. The more you argue and the more he stays silent the more convinced I get you are either both either tunnel visioned or scum mates.

2 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

You and pod are the only ones voting for me. The more you argue and the more he stays silent the more convinced I get you are either both either tunnel visioned or scum mates.

Scum mates would be sticking our necks out quite far, no?

By your own admission, one of Ebon, Mad, CNinja, and you is a likely scum. I am inclined to think it is you. Saying my arguments only prove your point only strengthens my conviction, which you say strengthens yours. Therefore we truly are at an impasse.

Ok, I don't know if I'll manage to be back before the end of the day, so here's my final thoughts: Gnips is scum and Pod is town. Explanation on why I've provided already. Please guys don't let this match have an indecisive D1 again

With about 6 hours to go we need to build a consensus.

@Onidsen and @ovinomanc3r what say you about the current situation?

1 hour ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

How about now EbonHawk?

Back from work and caught up..

I'm ##unvoting pod, even with him trying to throw some shade my way with the killer vibes.. He's definitely got something and Gnips you ask why pods actions make me think the way i do... well simple answer don't forget i know him in REAL life, that bloke has flavour I'd bet my left ******** on it I'm inclined to think his flavour is town, but claiming so early with flavour is weird for him..

On Gnips though, you've come out hard in defense man and are looking fishy and my eyes on broba as well

I'm going to see how the next couple of hours play out, if we have nothing by near the last hour I'll re vote pod just to lynch him and see his face after if nothing else

How do people feel about Visovic’s analysis? It struck me as plausible.

In fact, ##unvote

##vote gnips

What do folks have to say?

10 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

In fact, ##unvote

##vote gnips

What do folks have to say?

*Sigh*?

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

*Sigh*?

Well you did say you wanted a better reason then flavor.

1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:

Well you did say you wanted a better reason then flavor.

Indeed. I love irony, and thus I find it amusing that I shall be killed by my own arguments, and that I so persuasively defended Pod that I myself died.

It reminds me of Clement Vallandigham , who accidentally shot himself whilst proving that the deceased his client was accused of killing accidentally shot himself.

1 hour ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

With about 6 hours to go we need to build a consensus.

@Onidsen and @ovinomanc3r what say you about the current situation?

The good* move would be voting Pod. If he is a power role he is a moron, if he is vanilla town, he is giving scum a good scapegoat, if he us scum, well, we lynch a scum.

The good** move would be voting Ghost. Nothing he said about Pod issue actually helps town. It seems weird and suspicious to me.

The good*** move would be vote you.

* as surest

** as probably right

*** as fairest, most righteous and the good path at long term.

I agree with all your points there @ovinomanc3r

I am going to be kid-ladden soon, so in case I don't get a chance to come back, I am going to vote.

##vote GhostofNobodyinParticular

Sorry bud, but it's gotta be somebody, and your reaction to accusation seemed aggressive, which tipped the scale your way. Could be I am wrong, but you're my best read right now, as Vis' points also make some sense. I should be back on and will try to follow any developments.

Oh well, I tried.

I can assure you guys that I am town, but naturally you won't believe me. I only hope that Pod isn't scum. If he is. . . @EbonHawk , would you let out the air of his tires for me? Again (you threatened to do it when he lynched you, IIRC)?

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Oh well, I tried.

I can assure you guys that I am town, but naturally you won't believe me. I only hope that Pod isn't scum. If he is. . . @EbonHawk , would you let out the air of his tires for me? Again (you threatened to do it when he Nightkilled you, IIRC)?

5 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Oh well, I tried.

I can assure you guys that I am town, but naturally you won't believe me. I only hope that Pod isn't scum. If he is. . . @EbonHawk , would you let out the air of his tires for me? Again (you threatened to do it when he lynched you, IIRC)?

Wait...

so now you're hoping Pod isn't scum? Why don't you vote for him? You only have three votes on you right now