Why does Oni flipping scum lend credence to Ebon being scum?

Why can’t you evaluate both independently?

Ok Im firmly going to be at work for the end of this one, may get a couple of quick posts on mobile on my smoke breaks.

Vote Oni!!

If Oni says ebon is 100% town 2moro would you believe him? It will be vote Mad/Vis in no particular order. If thats a bad outcome for town then Vote Oni.

I expect Il be dead, so i wont be here to say I told you so.

I cant see any result he can give that changes my view that scum is 2 of yourself Vis and Oni. But he can Bastardize the whole game if he gets this through. His partner could be anybody...

Ultimately @BrobaFett @ovinomanc3r the fate of the mission will be in your hands, So give your reads today incase scum is going to Nk one of you tonight knowing you wont be covered.

We dont know for a fact that scum dont have to assasinate certain individuals within the group to meet their wincon.

I may have inadvertantly dodged the Nk because im not a target on Onis list, His real target could get slayed whilst im protecting a phantom cop. This is a special case.

Basically mad if he flips scum my entire reads list will be compromised and for some reason i really want that to happen..

If Pod isn't going to participate, then I see no value in trying the experiment.

##unvote

## vote PodRacer

Wait, was my vote already on Pod? I could have sworn I hadn't taken it off of Vis

6 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

Oni - intel officer

Broba - reading town think he's the second defector with me

ovi - town refuge I reckon explains madness

mad - scum %100

vis - next strongest scum read (claims refugee)

pod - claiming town doc (soft scum read, if oni dies tonight he'll jump vis for me)

me - town aligned defector

Adds up to

intel mason x1 oni

defectors x2 me, broba

refugees x4 mad, pod, vis, ovi

dead

Grips - defector

ninja - refugee

cal - intel mason

flavour - I believe it's the refugees who hold scum titles and that their flavour was to infiltrate the ship to kill the defectors...

I can throw one ***** into this without bothering to claim. You think I’m a refugee, but I already had posted;

On 12/5/2017 at 7:30 PM, Madaghmire said:

Also refugee isnt a vanilla role, or there are multiple vanilla titles.

Which are not the words of a man with a Refugee role.

2 hours ago, Onidsen said:

Wait, was my vote already on Pod? I could have sworn I hadn't taken it off of Vis

Yeah, you voted him some time ago and unvoted me

Just now, Visovics said:

Yeah, you voted him some time ago and unvoted me

I blame my memory lapses on taking care of my 3 year old son...

Anyways, @Visovics , how do you feel about lynching Pod if he's not going to go along with the plan that could clear him?

To be clear, I'm normally very strongly against do-what-I-say-or-get-lynched playstyles.

That said, though, I find Pod at this point the most legitimately suspicious of everyone here, and although I was willing to let that pass because of the potential for him to prove himself, if he doesn't want to, I'll follow my suspicion.

I'll scan one of Ebon, Mad, and Vis tonight. On the off chance that I don't die, we'll have that suspect pool narrowed down.

4 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Anyways, @Visovics , how do you feel about lynching Pod if he's not going to go along with the plan that could clear him?

To be clear, I'm normally very strongly against do-what-I-say-or-get-lynched playstyles.

That said, though, I find Pod at this point the most legitimately suspicious of everyone here, and although I was willing to let that pass because of the potential for him to prove himself, if he doesn't want to, I'll follow my suspicion.

I'll scan one of Ebon, Mad, and Vis tonight. On the off chance that I don't die, we'll have that suspect pool narrowed down.

I’m heavily thinking on it, but the main issue I’m coming accross is if he is actually the doc, scum won’t take long to drop hammer with 6 hours left to get rid of him, which is a huge issue...

On that same train of thought ebon has been sitting where he is for HOURS which means either the scum are currently voting him, we only have 1 scum in the setup, or he is scum himself.

Im good for a pod vote vis vote or ebon vote, but we are kind of split on direction and i dont want to be the reason things dont go through.

@Onidsen how do you feel about an ebon vote today? You and i can lynch now. Of not i am willing to vote pod, since ive been on that train for a while as well.

Well, ill go out on a limb. Im heading to bed.

#VOTE PODRACER

Oni I said previously that I would follow you if the decision was put upon me by the rest of the players

IF it was my decision i would lynch you, but if town moves differently I will support them, and support your play.

How the heck did this turn into a decision to vote between the two claimed roles?... I'm reluctant to vote either, cos that could seriously mess up the night...

5 hours ago, TheToad said:

7 Players= 4 to Hammer

@PodRacer (2) Visovics, Onidsen, BrobaFett

@Visovics (0) Onidsen , Madaghmire , BrobaFett , EbonHawk

@Madaghmire (1) EbonHawk

@ovinomanc3r (0)

@Onidsen (1) EbonHawk , PodRacer

@EbonHawk (2) Visovics, Madaghmire

@BrobaFett (0)

Updated the vote count, 4 hours people!!!!!

@ovinomanc3r you have no vote in, where does your opinion stand?

1 hour ago, Visovics said:

@ovinomanc3r you have no vote in, where does your opinion stand?

10 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

But that means Oni is telling the true and Pod goes nowhere that night.

I am post wedding so I cannot help too much now. I hope I could tomorrow.

Sorry hadn't seen this

Not long to go, if my suspicion that they are a team, I can go after Ebon tomorrow, so for today

##vote PodRacer

can't go another day lynchless, tho if you flip doc we are so doomed...

8 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Sorry hadn't seen this

Not long to go, if my suspicion that they are a team, I can go after Ebon tomorrow, so for today

##vote PodRacer

can't go another day lynchless, tho if you flip doc we are so doomed...

Ugh, youve done a great job screwing town over in this one Vis. I can only assume its deliberate.

Onidsen claim brought interesting things to think and I was wondering about the scene we have as much as I could.

I am not sure about Onidsen claim. All he did was "clean" me and Broba and throw some **** over Pod.

If we want to proof Onidsen we should lynch him. Lynching Pod we won't get anything trustworthy from Onidsen.

However if Onidsen wanted to cast heavy suspicious on Pod why he didn't just say Pod was scum. Instead of that he just shared the little piece of info he gave which match perfectly with what Pod really is (at least from my pov).

So trusting Onidsen things are between Mad, Vis and Ebon.

Why we didn't get consensus last day?

If it was townie vs townie one would have died!

So it was scum vs townie or scum vs scum in order to block the scum vote. Neither Ebon or Vis could change to vote themselves and that is why consensus was not reached.

If Onidsen is lying again why he didn't pointed to Pod directly?

Oni+Ebon could be possible but they had to be able to get Vis killed I think.

Oni+Mad cannot be or Vis would have died definitely.

Oni+Vis could explain why Ebon didn't die and how they tried.

The more I think the less I see Mad as scum. At least "statically". Also the guy with more votes was Ebon and every townie start with 2 votes on him theorically.

Conclusion:

If we want to be sure about what Oni says only lynching him we will get what we want.

However I would vote Vis or Ebon. Being Vis more likely for the weak argument of less vote to die yesterday.

It is looking like Oni and Vis Just now, Possibly Oni Broba.

Or Oni and whoever lynches me.

That means I need @Madaghmire and @EbonHawk to See the light on Oni otherwise this is a scum win.

@ovinomanc3r I assume you intend to vote Oni as well?

Ok so I get Lynched, Oni *should* be the nightkill, yet somehow I sincerely doubt he will be.

Yet he seems determined to encourage people to kill the one chance he has of doing anything useful for Town.

This is a shocker. Il check back in occasionally, but I think town has doomed themselves here.

3 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

@ovinomanc3r I assume you intend to vote Oni as well?

Just if everybody agree to proof him.

In fact I think I already trust him. Everything he shared matches perfectly with what I read about the game thus far.

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

Just if everybody agree to proof him.

In fact I think I already trust him. Everything he shared matches perfectly with what I read about the game thus far.

Oh no... It sounds like you have been pocketed too Ovi...

15 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

Ugh, youve done a great job screwing town over in this one Vis. I can only assume its deliberate.

Says the man who only claimed doc with little time to go on and change the vote focus.

Says the man who keeps announcing his target and other info that he does not need to share with the scum that are in here

Have you thought about how you played the game before accusing other people of so?

@PodRacer

Just one question:

If Onidsen was what he says is, would be the intel he shared different in some way?

Just now, PodRacer said:

Oh no... It sounds like you have been pocketed too Ovi...

when someone claims cop, the normal reaction is "I'll trust him and see where it goes" and not "let's lynch him to see if it's true"