3 hours ago, BrobaFett said:

Vis, you do realize that continuing to throw shade on me and back up Mad reinforces my thought that its you and he as scum?

But good thoughts, thanks for that.

Well I'm thinking that Ovi is town, and right now Mad seems as well, funnily enough one of the four possible scum duos if we are dealing with one is you and Ebon. The man I'm voting for being scummy and the man throwing shade at me and Mad refusing to believe on Mad's information that could be what leads town to victory

5 hours ago, Visovics said:

Funny that you say you don’t believe it, yet we have one of the defector’s flavour implying this is what we are dealing with, along a huge deal of investigative roles for simply a game filled with vanillas.

Also funny because it’s the one possibilty that puts you in the suspect list

I’ve been thinking, Oni’s win con (now yours) bases on keeping a defector alive for the alliance, while Mad is a scientist that defects and has information of an assassin droid, so obviously protecting him and making sure he’s alive is a top-priority flavour-wise, while Ebon defected just to see the planets now that he isn’t in the war? If Oni’s theory’s right about scum needing to kill defectors, how hasn’t Ebon died yet?... He’s been hanging around since D1 with that massive flavour claim of a defector...

The problem is that working on flavor we get nothing. I can imagine easily the scientist who need to warn the Rebellion to be the droid he warn about.

Also Oni started to doubt about the scum hunting defectors. Ebon didn't die! Cal did, also Oni, while if he would have lived he would have a bit screwed after Pod's flip. Nothing absolute here, though but I am just a vanilla town trying to fix the incompetence of the intel officers. I have not all the pieces and my own first winning condition confuse me.

Could everyone help me sharing win-conditions?

9 hours ago, BrobaFett said:

My thought, Ovi, is that the less we listen to actual lynch suggestions of the others the better. Their lynch suggestions are, at best, suspect as 2/3 of them are probably scum. We need to get a scum tonight, and so looking at the current votes and vote suggestions, the common thread for me is visovics. But I don't want to vote it, then have the other 2 jump on and hammer cause it was our last town. I want to see if you agree that Vis is a good option for today, or if you think one of the others is a better option. I am not really looking for imput outside of you right now. I know I am town, in my mind that clears you because I can triply verify onidsen and have no reason to believe there is a ninja/godfather as part of this setup because the setup seems relatively simple and that would be a huge wrench.

Mad bringing that up and spinning our scum finding compass is IMO the scummiest thing that has happened today so far. He has sown doubt into the verified town pair set up by oni, which is what scum do to survive. IMO start of the day the scum pair was ebon and Vis.

now I am thinking it is Mad and Vis.

I don't fear the time, yet. Mad is far from convinving me. He just provided flavor to what I already knew from Oni's posts and the intel chat. Being the droid make easy to build the story about the droid. I am trying to avoid the flavor stuff, maybe cause mine was not exciting.

What bothers me about you is the incoherence.

If you are town and really trust me, Vis MUST be scum so turbo-lynch is not a risk for you.

If you are worried about a turbo-lynch you are acepting the chance of Vis not being scum what let us ME and OE. I am sure ME is not possible in any sense and you should think the same if you trust me and/or Oni what let you OE what makes you hardly to believe me.

Option 1: you are trying me and I am fine with it. I hope I passed it, if not ask me whatever you want.

Option 2: you are just waiting the right time to put the last vote. I must say I am thinking this as the most probable option.

This thinking process allows me to be sure that if you are town or scum Mad is not going to turbo-lynch Vis (cause Mad is town or scum in the first case or town in the second). I like it.

Also as I said yesterday I am trying to figure out our best case if we lynch a scum today and there is something I cannot avoid cause it is one of the main pieces here: defectors...

We should agree about all of them not being scum. But are all of them town? If we lynch Vis or Broba based on defectors must be town, I will die and the survivors will be clueless as they reasoning is based on something not proved. If defectors lynch the last refugee town would fail if we are wrong. However if we lynch a defector (choosing right) we will proof the other based on that both cannot be scum (and that is a better assumption). So I will die and at least one refugeee will know the true being the last vote on the last defector who will know nothing but at least is sure he will choose as town.

1 We lynch Broba/Vis; I die; Mad-Ebon-Vis/Broba anyone knowing nothing.

2 We lynch Mad/Ebon; I die; Ebon/Mad-Vis-Broba, Broba and Vis voting each other knowing and Ebon/Mad having to choose but they are town so the last day is up to us, at least.

So I think I will go after Mad or Ebon. It is a weak argument I know but we will have to make that decission today or tomorrow and under the assumption we don't lose today, this way we will keep the rope under control at least.

Keep working on the puzzle though.

My win con is for all threats to town to be eliminated and for me to survive to get my vital information to the alliance.

58 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

My win con is for all threats to town to be eliminated and for me to survive to get my vital information to the alliance.

@BrobaFett ?

@Visovics ?

@EbonHawk ?

1 hour ago, ovinomanc3r said:

@BrobaFett ?

@Visovics ?

@EbonHawk ?

All threats to town eliminated, bonus if I survive till end of match

lol I give up ovi.

Seriously, I don't follow your logic at this point, it just seems overly convoluted and not particularly helpful. I get looking at all the angles, but simplest solution is probably right. Lastly, the fact that I am in there as an option just baffles me at this point.

I am a town aligned refugee (vanilla town). I win if I survive. I have had this corroborated by both my play and a reliable confirmed source. Attempts to undercut that are flimsy and paranoid at best and pure scumplay at worst.

@ovinomanc3r quoted you in red below.

"What bothers me about you is the incoherence." What? Seriously I am incoherent?

"If you are town and really trust me, Vis MUST be scum so turbo-lynch is not a risk for you." I didn't say anything about being concerned about a turbo lynch - I want to lynch Vis because we both agree he is scum , no other reason.

"I am sure ME is not possible in any sense and you should think the same" I do think Mad OR Ebon are scum. This is EXACTLY what I have been saying since yesterday. How are you not understanding when I suggested the Vis lynch it was to tease out the Mad or Ebon situation?

Option 1: you are trying me and I am fine with it. I hope I passed it, if not ask me whatever you want. Huh?

Option 2: you are just waiting the right time to put the last vote. I must say I am thinking this as the most probable op. What? Seriously what does this even mean? Put the last vote on Ebon? Who is L-2? If I wanted to vote Ebon I would have done it.

1 We lynch Broba/Vis; I die; Mad-Ebon-Vis/Broba anyone knowing nothing.

2 We lynch Mad/Ebon; I die; Ebon/Mad-Vis-Broba, Broba and Vis voting each other knowing and Ebon/Mad having to choose but they are town so the last day is up to us, at least. So let me get this straight, there is one person we agree is most likely to be scum, but we should NOT LYNCH THEM on our lynch or lose day and instead shoot the moon at a 50/50 lynch where we disagree on who the scum is? This just seems like a bad choice. At least if we lynch Vis and lose we were going after a mutual suspicion and not just playing eeny meeny meinie moe

5 players= 3 to hammer

@Visovics (1) EbonHawk

@Madaghmire (0) EbonHawk

@ovinomanc3r (0)

@EbonHawk (1) Madaghmire , Visovics

@BrobaFett (0)

7 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

lol I give up ovi.

Seriously, I don't follow your logic at this point, it just seems overly convoluted and not particularly helpful. I get looking at all the angles, but simplest solution is probably right. Lastly, the fact that I am in there as an option just baffles me at this point.

I am a town aligned refugee (vanilla town). I win if I survive. I have had this corroborated by both my play and a reliable confirmed source. Attempts to undercut that are flimsy and paranoid at best and pure scumplay at worst.

@ovinomanc3r quoted you in red below.

"What bothers me about you is the incoherence." What? Seriously I am incoherent?

"If you are town and really trust me, Vis MUST be scum so turbo-lynch is not a risk for you." I didn't say anything about being concerned about a turbo lynch - I want to lynch Vis because we both agree he is scum , no other reason.

"I am sure ME is not possible in any sense and you should think the same" I do think Mad OR Ebon are scum. This is EXACTLY what I have been saying since yesterday. How are you not understanding when I suggested the Vis lynch it was to tease out the Mad or Ebon situation?

Option 1: you are trying me and I am fine with it. I hope I passed it, if not ask me whatever you want. Huh?

Option 2: you are just waiting the right time to put the last vote. I must say I am thinking this as the most probable op. What? Seriously what does this even mean? Put the last vote on Ebon? Who is L-2? If I wanted to vote Ebon I would have done it.

1 We lynch Broba/Vis; I die; Mad-Ebon-Vis/Broba anyone knowing nothing.

2 We lynch Mad/Ebon; I die; Ebon/Mad-Vis-Broba, Broba and Vis voting each other knowing and Ebon/Mad having to choose but they are town so the last day is up to us, at least. So let me get this straight, there is one person we agree is most likely to be scum, but we should NOT LYNCH THEM on our lynch or lose day and instead shoot the moon at a 50/50 lynch where we disagree on who the scum is? This just seems like a bad choice. At least if we lynch Vis and lose we were going after a mutual suspicion and not just playing eeny meeny meinie moe

You were incoherent not voting Vis and waiting instead. I mean, if you are town you're 100% sure he is and scum not turbo lynching an innocent. I am not 100% sure about Vis. I cannot be after Oni warned about a possible godfather. I have to think about the chance of you voting Vis after me and winning with Ebon.

Also my plan was to keep the things up to town from the assumption that I don't know anyone of you 100%.

However the more info I get the better view I have of the situation.

@EbonHawk , please win-con! You said you gave us all you can but you don't. I don't know that piece of you.

4 hours people! Can we get to a decision? Cos not lynching and so losing to nk is the worst that can happen here.

Indecision: we lose

Lynch: CHANCE of losing

Let's make this worth it, my vote stays on Ebon

I am waiting to see how Ovi/Broba vote. I don’t want my vote to interfere with their process.

1 hour ago, ovinomanc3r said:

You were incoherent not voting Vis and waiting instead. I mean, if you are town you're 100% sure he is and scum not turbo lynching an innocent. I am not 100% sure about Vis. I cannot be after Oni warned about a possible godfather. I have to think about the chance of you voting Vis after me and winning with Ebon.

Also my plan was to keep the things up to town from the assumption that I don't know anyone of you 100%.

However the more info I get the better view I have of the situation.

@EbonHawk , please win-con! You said you gave us all you can but you don't. I don't know that piece of you.

Ok well where is your vote then?

15 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

Ok well where is your vote then?

I want to wait to Ebon a bit more . I will vote then or with 2h left and I will explain why.

Well, I have stuff to do.

1st. Concernings:

- Are all the defectors town? Not sure yet. It could be. But that makes thing easier to an already powerful masonry of a cop and a watcher/tracker. Even with a godfather and/or a ninja around all they needed was to keep themselves after their objectives: save the defectors and done. So I would be they are not all town.

- The masonry. It seems too powerful to me if scum have nothing to deal with it. Maybe all they need is to kill defectors. This way they could finish this in 2 days luckily but that's a poor help for them. It could also be just 1 scum godfather+ninja but only able to be one of them each night. This could explain the careful play against defectors and both defectors being town. However all this is speculation and I doubt it could help at this point. I am not good at game-balancing. I just need to point out that I think there is something else out then his there.

2nd. Thoughts:

- Mad flavor could be read as scum or town. He brough nothing that Oni didn't already. He directed the lynchings the first two days from my pov. After that he played more carefully. Also as town as scum.

- Ebon was at l-1 for a long time. He actually survived 2 l-1!! That meaningful I think. I have hard time thinking scum are not ready to sacrifice a pawn so maybe they really tried to kill a town but town was not sure enough to complete the task. However it wouldn't be the first time scum saved a mate accidentally for timing reasons.

- Broba. I still don't get how you didn't vote Vis yet. You don't have any other 100% sure option available. Your waiting means nothing from your point of view. It bothers me so much that I think you cannot imagine it. But whatever. You were cleaned by Oni under the assumption you are not a godfather. Also, Oni trusted more on you than on me despite you have been more wrong than me by far. He was about to choose you (and I wish he would had done it) but he though scum could know and chose me. If he was wrong about you I don't know. Well, I actually got a piece that makes me think he was right. I could also imagine ways that piece is meaningless but is the best I have thus far.

- Vis is suspicious enough. The numbers are against him. Also Mad pointed to the brave way he vote with Mad. He also lynched Pod after playing around.

As I said I would like to lynch a defector cause it makes things easier I think. If scum have to kill a defector and also have a defector between them I will loose unless I lynch the scum defector today. But I am going to die anyways so let's go with...

3rd. The vote:

## vote Visovics.

Your win-con is wrong. If not sorry mate but you would be the bad true refugee while Broba would be the good fake one.

I shared win condition with Broba. A refugee hunting threats is not what I ever was.

Also from here town I would keep the assumption of Broba being town. His win condition doesn't allow me to think otherwise.

Mad or Ebon? I am not sure.

That's up to you.

8 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

A refugee hunting threats is not what I ever was.

Funny, I was, this is why I’ve been pushing for lynches, tho no wonder my bonus win is the same as you guys

3 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Funny, I was, this is why I’ve been pushing for lynches, tho no wonder my bonus win is the same as you guys

Mine was not a bonus. You're an anomaly.

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

Mine was not a bonus. You're an anomaly.

I hear that a lot...

I meant that my bonus is the same as your win-condition. Your flavour is also likely to be heavily unlike me. I don’t know about you, but used to fight against a local warlord who was ignored by the empire, and despite being the saved I’m willing to make an effort to help others in the ship be safe from the empire infiltrators in the ship

I’m starting to think flavour may play something big here after Mad talked about that droid...

2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

I’m starting to think flavour may play something big here after Mad talked about that droid...

And how you suppose I would have to deal with it?

From my point of view all you are probably scum. Like a 90% or more.

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

And how you suppose I would have to deal with it?

From my point of view all you are probably scum. Like a 90% or more.

Fair enough

Yeah problem is vis ebon and mad all look scummy to me. Even ovino if I didn't trust Oni would look scummy. And evidently I look bad to him. Guess just bad town play this game or something?

Oh well

wrong call here and it's all over anyway

#vote Visovics

That’s Hammer... flip incoming

As the few remaining passengers aboard the Jaded Runner piece together what little information they have, they realized that time was running short. One among them seemed a little too eager to put one of their peers out the air lock... As the passengers gathered around Code-Name Visovics they witnessed a horrifying transformation... At first he appeared as Visovics, then morphed into Onidsen, then, as he laughed maniacally he morphed into the visage of Madaghmire! As this thing drew his vibrio-knife the stunned passengers quickly tackled him to the ground and restrained him. They drug the thing to the nearest airlock, threw him in, and activated the decontamination protocol... the ships computer warned of organic life inside the chamber but what was in there doesn’t constitute as life... the man partly responsible for this creature’s creation, Code-Name Madaghmire overrode the safety measures and watched as the monstrosity inside was engulfed in flame....

Code-Name Visovics has died... he was a Self Aligned Silent Razor Assassin Droid.

Congratulations to @ovinomanc3r , @BrobaFett , @Madaghmire , and @EbonHawk for achieving your win conditions

Lol the poor guy was alone.