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@PodRacer (4) Madaghmire, EbonHawk, CaribbeanNinja, BrobaFett
@Visovics (1) Onidsen
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On 12/2/2017 at 8:39 PM, PodRacer said:So I guess as Second in command im in charge here?
@GhostofNobodyInParticular you seriously don’t see anything wrong with this as HIS FIRST POST!?
Nips, you are fighting wierdly hard for this. Pod isnt even fighting so hard to stay alive.
1 hour ago, CaribbeanNinja said:@GhostofNobodyInParticular you seriously don’t see anything wrong with this as HIS FIRST POST!?
No. He claims first mate. So what?
50 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Nips, you are fighting wierdly hard for this. Pod isnt even fighting so hard to stay alive.
I just don't like that everybody seems fine with lynching Pod for something as trivial as a soft flavor claim. Sure, it's Day 1, but that doesn't mean we just randomly lynch somebody and throw a life away. We ought to be striving to make the most informed decision possible regardless, and I think that it therefore is more worthwhile to look into why somebody would want to lynch anybody based on something like Pod's flavor claim, rather than merely say the claim is fishy.
5 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Of the scum will kill him, we ought do their job for them. Let them waste a night kill on Pod , while we try finding something more substantial.
This always ends the same way:
The night is never wasted, the supposed target never dies.
If I not was so busy lynching CNinja I would vote you. You look scummy-dooby-doo to me.
8 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:This always ends the same way:
The night is never wasted, the supposed target never dies.
If I not was so busy lynching CNinja I would vote you. You look scummy-dooby-doo to me.
My thoughts are that if the scum don't kill him and he is town, then they will have to live in fear of his actions. It's a winning scenario if he is town and we don't lynch a power role.
Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:My thoughts are that if the scum don't kill him and he is town, then they will have to live in fear of his actions. It's a winning scenario if he is town and we don't lynch a power role.
So are you fine with an unlynchable scum? Cause that is the other side of this.
Yeah right now, GNIPs defense of Pod looks just as strange.
Don't you think @PodRacer ?
12 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:So are you fine with an unlynchable scum? Cause that is the other side of this.
Of course not. I am not saying that Pod is not scum. I am saying that his soft flavor claim is a sad excuse for an excuse to lynch him.
I am not against lynching Pod as such. I jusy feel that we need a better reason.
It is strange, and a bit troubling. I am almost ready to lay a vote on Pod, but want to wait in case it's really a misunderstanding and a scum turbos him before he gets to respond.
18 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:My thoughts are that if the scum don't kill him and he is town, then they will have to live in fear of his actions. It's a winning scenario if he is town and we don't lynch a power role.
If hes town and has a power role and doesn’t want to be a target for lynches/nightkills, he should be more circumspect with what he says.
There may come a point where the huge blocks of flavor Toad wrote come into play. In fact, I’m pretty sure of it, unless he’s just super into trying to make an immersive experience. But the very first post of the game is not that point.
You want a better reason to lynch someone? Me too. Its D1 though, so unless someone gets silly stupid, we aren’t going to find a great reason. We are going to vote on a hunch, or we are going to turbo someone late, or we are going to no vote because we fail to get on the same page.
That said, I would love to hear from Pod, and to be particular I’d like to hear what he was trying to do with this statement, and why he felt it necessary to lead with it.
I'm just not feeling the pod lynch at the moment. The rapid build up is troubling, and the lack of exploring other options leaves us vulnerable to not lynching anyone if pod claims a power role and we back off.
That said, I'm more than willing to join in so we can get our hanging, but I'd really like to hear from pod first. And we really ought to look at others in the meantime so that we can have a backup target ready if pod claims something important.
2 minutes ago, Onidsen said:I'm just not feeling the pod lynch at the moment. The rapid build up is troubling , and the lack of exploring other options leaves us vulnerable to not lynching anyone if pod claims a power role and we back off.
That said, I'm more than willing to join in so we can get our hanging, but I'd really like to hear from pod first. And we really ought to look at others in the meantime so that we can have a backup target ready if pod claims something important.
How is this really rapid though? This is far from a "turbo" lynching. What else are we supposed to explore D1?
Right now the way I see it the real candidates for D1 are Pod and GNIPs.
Pod - For a truly bizarre first post. (At least that's the way I see it because...)
Gnips - Apparently sees nothing wrong with coming out of the gates the way Pod did. Defends in a way that really seems like he's ready to say "told ya so" if pod flips town.
I'm cool with voting either way right now.
And we have 9 hours left D1 so make your choice soon.
The fact that we’ve been waiting so long to hear from Pod doesn’t speak well for him either. Especially since he’s been in this position all day and he’s a solid five hours later into his.
50 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:That said, I would love to hear from Pod, and to be particular I’d like to hear what he was trying to do with this statement, and why he felt it necessary to lead with it.
So I could help Town move towards the big W of course!
1 hour ago, CaribbeanNinja said:Yeah right now, GNIPs defense of Pod looks just as strange.
I dont think its that strange, Just seems how Nip always plays.
more to follow...
And as I typed a wild Podracer appears!
Tl DR....
Its been noticed that Pod is always playing Mafia at work..... I have to keep it on the DL now!!
I was suspicious of Brobas Vote on me...
I had an idea of how scum might react to someone breadcrumbing a PR early doors, Broba reaction fitted that read nicely.
##Vote Broba
AS for our mission, it sounds like our destination on this journey is a secret. Toad didnt mention our Final destination in my Pm.
What did everyone think of Ebons fluff?? Was i the only one to get killer vibes?
Ok, having just caught up, what Gnips is doing is what I’d have done as scum, which is quite worrying. Seems like you are playing defending the integrity of someone you know for a fact is town, and so it gives some credits to your reads in the future, meaning you can manipulatively use them to push a town lynch. The most worrying thing is that at no point you took pod being scum as a possibility. You have defended him with a conviction that he is town, which for D1, there’s something you are not telling us that you know about Pod. And so
##vote GhostofNobodyinParticular
59 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:How is this really rapid though? This is far from a "turbo" lynching. What else are we supposed to explore D1?
Right now the way I see it the real candidates for D1 are Pod and GNIPs.
Pod - For a truly bizarre first post. (At least that's the way I see it because...)
Gnips - Apparently sees nothing wrong with coming out of the gates the way Pod did. Defends in a way that really seems like he's ready to say "told ya so" if pod flips town.
I'm cool with voting either way right now.
*sigh* I am not sure Pod is town. I am not sold he is scum. I think the reason why he is being voted is too poor to credit even for D1, and I don't like how all day has been wasted harping on it. CNinja, Mad, and Broba are the most ardent supporters of the reason, and it makes no sense to me. What else are we to focus on?! We have three people pushing for a lynching based on flavor! We have all attempts to search for deeper reasoning (mine, only, admittedly) being cast under shade, and we have everybody else not feeling sold, yet also not doing anything.
I don't like it. It is too easy. That is not to say that you may not be on the right track. But it just seems too simple. I can't understand what you guys see in a FLAVOR claim. Not even a role claim. Not a 'HEY, LET ME QUOTE YOU YOUR RIGHTS!' moderate claim. Not a 'I'M A COP!' full claim. Just a 'I may or may not be the first mate!' soft-claim of flavor . How is this is a lynching offense in your books? Even in Day 1? 39 hours, and this is the only thing focused on? Not the fact that it got somebody to L-2? Not that when that is pointed out by me, I am cast as scummy? Why?
19 minutes ago, Visovics said:Ok, having just caught up, what Gnips is doing is what I’d have done as scum, which is quite worrying. Seems like you are playing defending the integrity of someone you know for a fact is town, and so it gives some credits to your reads in the future, meaning you can manipulatively use them to push a town lynch. The most worrying thing is that at no point you took pod being scum as a possibility. You have defended him with a conviction that he is town, which for D1, there’s something you are not telling us that you know about Pod. And so
##vote GhostofNobodyinParticular
Erm:
1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Of course not. I am not saying that Pod is not scum. I am saying that his soft flavor claim is a sad excuse for an excuse to lynch him.
I am not against lynching Pod as such. I jusy feel that we need a better reason.
I agree with Visovics that GNIPS is also scumtacular right now.
And yes, I voted without adding information, however, it was because I thought I already EXPLAINED my readiness to vote earlier. Context people. Context. It wasn't a random vote to spur on a turbo. It was me realizing, in the midst of a busy day, that a vote on Pod had gained some traction and I didn't want it to back off or get cold and let pod slip off easy.
GNIPs, I understand, but what you aren't seeing is the conversation this has spurred. This has probably been one of the most productive first days we have had information wise, as emotions have run high and when emotions run high people slip up. Right now scum knows whether we are on the right track or not. If Pod is town, it means they are probably split, one pushing for the lynch and one white knighting for the poor towny. One buys cred, the other looks like they "just went with the crowd on a sad D1 lynch". Right now you are looking like the latter scum, taking the opportunity to pick other names you know are town that are "suspicious" so you can use that cred to push a lynch on them when or if Pod flips town. That is why people are piling on you. At this moment, I would be willing to unvote Pod, but only to get a lynch on you.
Maybe I am off base, but this is how I see it right now with Pod. His flavor claim is just enough for everyone to suspect him of having a power role. That is why it is bad. It puts him in the limbo where we don't really have ANY information at all about him, but the scum know we have to protect him now if he is town at night from here on out just on the CHANCE he is cop, which means they can just kill someone else and start fishing for the protection role if we have one while it is occupied protecting a maybe scum. He has put himself in a situation where he will not be night killed, but we can't verify anything he says (cause again, as scum he can accurately fake claim cop with ease). That means he is pretty useless to us as a player because even best case scenario he is cop he could "identify" a scum mate tonight and have us lynch one and probably buy enough cred to keep him and the other scum safe to endgame. It's dangerous, and there is very little avenue for the town to succeed or benefit from it. The only one that benefits is Pod, as he essentially forces us to lynch him or keep him alive power role or not, helpful to the town or not.
2 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:GNIPs, I understand, but what you aren't seeing is the conversation this has spurred. This has probably been one of the most productive first days we have had information wise, as emotions have run high and when emotions run high people slip up. Right now scum knows whether we are on the right track or not. If Pod is town, it means they are probably split, one pushing for the lynch and one white knighting for the poor towny. One buys cred, the other looks like they "just went with the crowd on a sad D1 lynch". Right now you are looking like the latter scum, taking the opportunity to pick other names you know are town that are "suspicious" so you can use that cred to push a lynch on them when or if Pod flips town. That is why people are piling on you. At this moment, I would be willing to unvote Pod, but only to get a lynch on you.
Maybe I am off base, but this is how I see it right now with Pod. His flavor claim is just enough for everyone to suspect him of having a power role. That is why it is bad. It puts him in the limbo where we don't really have ANY information at all about him, but the scum know we have to protect him now if he is town at night from here on out just on the CHANCE he is cop, which means they can just kill someone else and start fishing for the protection role if we have one while it is occupied protecting a maybe scum. He has put himself in a situation where he will not be night killed, but we can't verify anything he says (cause again, as scum he can accurately fake claim cop with ease). That means he is pretty useless to us as a player because even best case scenario he is cop he could "identify" a scum mate tonight and have us lynch one and probably buy enough cred to keep him and the other scum safe to endgame. It's dangerous, and there is very little avenue for the town to succeed or benefit from it. The only one that benefits is Pod, as he essentially forces us to lynch him or keep him alive power role or not, helpful to the town or not.
That's not quite accurate. If we have to protect him, and the scum just target somebody else, why would we protect him? The scum aren't gonna target him. They don't know whether we are protecting him or not, so thy don't know if they should risk it. Any protector out there then has the choice - bluff the scum, and protect another - thereby protecting 2 people, or not. It is a risk, but it does not guarantee a free kill.
You are also assuming any role he is implying is cop. That is not necessarily the case. He could be anything.
Forcing us to lynch him is not beneficial to Pod.
Basically, I disagree with just about everything you say above. I can see where you are coming from, but I think you are using many leaps in logic that are based on assumptions and single outcomes. I do not know if Pod is scum and is laughing himself to death at my posts, or whether is he town singing my praises, but I do know that I do not like the reasoning used by those who seek to lynch him. I find it sub-par reasoning, especially coming from such players as CNinja, Mad, and yourself. Therefore:
##vote Brobafett
17 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:*sigh* I am not sure Pod is town. I am not sold he is scum. I think the reason why he is being voted is too poor to credit even for D1, and I don't like how all day has been wasted harping on it. CNinja, Mad, and Broba are the most ardent supporters of the reason, and it makes no sense to me. What else are we to focus on?! We have three people pushing for a lynching based on flavor! We have all attempts to search for deeper reasoning (mine, only, admittedly) being cast under shade, and we have everybody else not feeling sold, yet also not doing anything.
I don't like it. It is too easy. That is not to say that you may not be on the right track. But it just seems too simple. I can't understand what you guys see in a FLAVOR claim. Not even a role claim. Not a 'HEY, LET ME QUOTE YOU YOUR RIGHTS!' moderate claim. Not a 'I'M A COP!' full claim. Just a 'I may or may not be the first mate!' soft-claim of flavor . How is this is a lynching offense in your books? Even in Day 1? 39 hours, and this is the only thing focused on? Not the fact that it got somebody to L-2? Not that when that is pointed out by me, I am cast as scummy? Why?
Erm:
Should also be noted it wasn’t just a soft claim in flavour. It was a direct statement of his flavour, IN HIS FIRST POST OF THE GAME. Now it’s been largely seeming that flavour and roles have a correlation, so he either signed his death warrant transforming his role in useless, or he signed someone else’s in case the doctor risks on trying to preserve him, it’s an awful move that is not benefitial at all. The votes came as pressure for him to explain, and there is absolutely no good reads in D1, so not many better reads for thode people
