To deep in 40k to sell my stuff, but will be getting Legion. GW is not good to their customers and they are worse at game balance. 2 things FFG is actually pretty solid at. We can play both, 40k is only perpetuated by its massive player base. GW struggles to get new blood to buy in to their massively expensive hobby, but the strength of 40k is that you can basically find a community in any major city. If there is a large game store, odds are, they are going to have 40k tables and a few people who play. What is the point of having plastic army men if you can't go murder other people's plastic army men with them?

All of FFG's Star Wars games (even X-Wing, which should have quit making new and more confusing rules years ago) are better than 40k from a game design and respect for the customers time and money stand point, but 40k is hard to dethrone simply due to the number of people that are bought in to it.

As a long time 40k player, and some one who has played in high level 40k tournaments events, even the American Team Championship, and seen all the game has to offer as a competitive game, if you are new and reading this, DON'T buy into 40k, go with Legion, or any other game made by a modern company that respects their player base and responds to them.

7 hours ago, gsroach101 said:

In the UK probably not that many, we've just seen the RRP of the Legion stuff and it's not cheap. Makes GW look like a cheap hobby

In my (limited) experience the word "cheap" should never be used to describe GW stuff.

I can always dream of a world where FFG writes the ruleset for 40k.

Legions looks very fun to play but im suffering heavily from starwars fatigue and cant really enjoy the setting anymore. 40k is such a fantastic setting but its rules are so boring and dull.

It would be a match made to kill for!

I also think that people which play other miniature wargames as their prime game might get this as a game besides their main game and who knows perhaps over time it will became their main game.

I will probaly get the Core box but I certainly won't stop playing Infinity and 40K.

On 12/7/2017 at 1:56 PM, Extropia said:

Really? We've not had any grumbles locally. You can get an entire 800pt army for half a starter and a couple of extra boxes. If you can split the starter with somebody that's going to run under £100 at online prices, which is a pittance compared to a 40K army.

Its not too hard to figure out Legion is going to be a cheaper game. I mean, we're fielding units of 1 - 7, not 3 - 30 like 40k. We're also setting a standard at 800 points per game when individual models/units compare similar to the old 40k points structures (10-15 points per model average). I'm estimating a full Legion army is probably going to run at about 20-25% of the cost of a 40k army.

And don't get me started on the source material costs for 40k. At least with FFG, you can just download the rules for free online. If you wanted, you could spend every single penny you invest in Legion on models. 40k, you're looking at £100 of source books just to get started in your 40k career.

At this point, I think the only thing more expensive than a 40k army is a house. Maybe a posh German car, but that ones gonna be close!

2 hours ago, Rauhughes said:

Its not too hard to figure out Legion is going to be a cheaper game. I mean, we're fielding units of 1 - 7, not 3 - 30 like 40k. We're also setting a standard at 800 points per game when individual models/units compare similar to the old 40k points structures (10-15 points per model average). I'm estimating a full Legion army is probably going to run at about 20-25% of the cost of a 40k army

This is very true. My 40k army is over 600 USD and is generally considered to be a tiny collection by most players I've met. So far it looks like if you spent 200 to 250 USD on Legion, you'd have just about everything for one of the two factions. You could have everything Legion is offering at launch for the 600 I've put into 40k. Heck if I keep going with 40k I could probably spend another 600 easy on my Tau and still not have everything I would want for one faction. So yeah Legion is at least a quarter the cost, maybe even less if you're thrifty.

The thing you have to keep in mind with 8th edition is that people are so positive about it because ANYTHING was better than 7th. Another thing is that many people love it because they have nothing to compare it to other than previous editions of 40k (usually 7th) because most people do not try anything but 40k. This is where Legion potentially has a lot of pull that games like Warmahordes and Infinity do not; it's Star Wars. If ANY IP is going to get the diehard 40k fans away to try something else, it's Star Wars. If FFG make a solid game (and frankly pretty much every game is mechanically better than 40k/AoS) it could really pull in good word-of-mouth.

On 12/7/2017 at 0:56 AM, Extropia said:

Really? We've not had any grumbles locally. You can get an entire 800pt army for half a starter and a couple of extra boxes. If you can split the starter with somebody that's going to run under £100 at online prices, which is a pittance compared to a 40K army.

The uk being the traditional "home" of GW though will skew things a bit.

Here in Australia it's a no brainer, but then again i once did the math and figured out that ordering enough forgeworld to get free shipping and converting it was cheaper than my planned genestealer cult armor........

Thats when you really know theres something wrong with the pricing.

I sold my 40K stuff to invest in Dust Tactics, then sold some of my Dust Tactics to buy Runewars. Now I’m selling Runewars, Dust Tactics, Konflikt 47 and Armada to buy loads of Legion.

I've lost so much interest in 40K. I actually drafted rules for SW characters to be used with 40K rules so finding that Legion is being released is fantastic.

On 12/7/2017 at 10:01 AM, Space_Cowboy17 said:

As a long time 40k player, and some one who has played in high level 40k tournaments events, even the American Team Championship, and seen all the game has to offer as a competitive game, if you are new and reading this, DON'T buy into 40k, go with Legion, or any other game made by a modern company that respects their player base and responds to them.

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Man, wish I had seen this like, 6 months ago. Started playing 40K just before Legion was announced, but seeing as I was already a few hundred dollars deep in it, I couldn't really back out. I am hoping to play both games, maybe a bit more of Legion, depending on how I like it.

My buddy reports he is "massively downsizing" his 40K collection and will try Legion.

Since i love the 40K setting and they have some great models, but the game IMO is awful, i've been looking for a system to do a "total conversion" to for a while (ie play 40K with another games rules).

Nothing has worked quite right yet, but Legion might have the right mix of tactics and simplicity so i might be trying that at my LGS.

For the record....whilst i love Infinity (best wargame around IMO), those rules do NOT fit the 40K setting and silliness (drive me closer so i can hit them with my sword!) at all. No matter how much you try to make it....

I think the 40k universe/setting is absolutely brilliant. I have read loads of the black library books..those first 3? (galaxy in flames etc) are brilliant imo.

Im also into wargames.

Strange then, apart from about 20 years ago when I was into it, I have never once thought about getting back into 40k. There is just something about it that looks so clunky and some of those prices are horrific.

Played FOW and then the lovely Bolt Action...now, without selling Bolt action as I love WW2...im excited as anything for Legion...even been going mad painting Imperial Assault figures...knowing they arnt going to be used for Legion....just because the Star Wars excitement is strong!!

On 11/30/2017 at 10:37 AM, svelok said:

Probably not all that many. More so disaffected former 40k players.

Precisely.

You cannot convince me that it was purely coincidence that FFG announced Legion about a week after the full horror of the Warhammer Age of 8thmar abomination came to light.

I was quite amused.

When Legion was announced I was very excited and felt that this could be the new hot w40K-killer - at least for me, but with the prospects of actually having the game released 7 1/2 months later the initial excitement and willingness to commit and buy in to a new game system has now finally vanished, so I'm actually "deflecting" back into the 40k universe - for me the interest in Legion has sadly already peaked and folded.

3 minutes ago, MicroManager said:

When Legion was announced I was very excited and felt that this could be the new hot w40K-killer - at least for me, but with the prospects of actually having the game released 7 1/2 months later the initial excitement and willingness to commit and buy in to a new game system has now finally vanished, so I'm actually "deflecting" back into the 40k universe - for me the interest in Legion has sadly already peaked and folded.

Well steer clear of any kickstarters!!! At least here you don't have to pay upfront and then wait.

I paid for my Green Hoard box May 2017 and it still hasn't arrived!!

Also with Legion all you do is read the posts and maintain some conversation ect. But it's your choice. And yes the March 22 date was a little disappointing especially after there was an interview on The Beasts of War that said the core would be released a week or so prior to Adepticon not on the 1st day!

On 12/7/2017 at 8:35 PM, Soulless said:

I can always dream of a world where FFG writes the ruleset for 40k.

Legions looks very fun to play but im suffering heavily from starwars fatigue and cant really enjoy the setting anymore. 40k is such a fantastic setting but its rules are so boring and dull.

It would be a match made to kill for!

I didnt know there was such a thing as Star Wars Fatigue!!

25 minutes ago, Timinater said:

I paid for my Green Hoard box May 2017 and it still hasn't arrived!!

That is a long time to wait - but to be fair Kickstarters are usually dependent on a certain number of backers and then has to go through the entire developing proces before it can reach its backers. Star Wars Legion isn't a Kickstarter, although it sometimes feels like it - the demo games was presented in august 2017 and one would therefor expect the game to be all but finished at that time and a 2-4 months from demo games till the game is released would be norm and a smart way to get a larger initial playerbase upon release.

1 hour ago, MicroManager said:

When Legion was announced I was very excited and felt that this could be the new hot w40K-killer - at least for me, but with the prospects of actually having the game released 7 1/2 months later the initial excitement and willingness to commit and buy in to a new game system has now finally vanished, so I'm actually "deflecting" back into the 40k universe - for me the interest in Legion has sadly already peaked and folded.

7.5 months from announcement and release isn't bad. They announced X-Wing 2 full years before it wad released. The first set of demos done at GenCon were done with cardboard pogs. Armada was over a year. The L5R LCG was over a year also.

1 hour ago, DarkTemplars said:

7.5 months from announcement and release isn't bad. They announced X-Wing 2 full years before it wad released. The first set of demos done at GenCon were done with cardboard pogs. Armada was over a year. The L5R LCG was over a year also.

2 years? After all that you’d expect the game to be balanced.

The quality of the miniatures (though I haven't seen them except in photos) looks a lot lower than GW. That's my main disappointment and at the moment will stop me playing Legion. But I might be wrong, maybe in reality they look good.

You might get the occasional total crossover but generally speaking many 40k gamers have no issue with having an extra side game especially a small cheap skirmish game like Legion. The negatives for the luring the war gaming crowd are the lack of customizing and relatively simple models compared to what they are used to. Snap fit is for newer gamers and limited repeat poses get old. Further the limited factions and unspecific lack of direction army lists are other hits against it. Positives are the IP is one most gamers enjoy and is well known. Hopefully later releases will be more customizable out of the box and these limited pose models are just to get the game going like what many new war game companies do when just getting out the gate. Further down the road hopefully we will see more factions added that are balanced and not pay to win, and army lists that benefit direction. I think this would lure more war gamers from games that already have large numbers of factions and army specific benefits.

2 hours ago, Jabby said:

2 years? After all that you’d expect the game to be balanced.

It was at release in most respects. Not perfect, but much better than the stale power-creeping meta lists that exist these days.

I would never have bought into 40k because I know nothing of the lore and it just doesn’t scream “got to play”.

i am buying into Legion because now I can play the same cool 3d terrain games I’ve always wanted to try but with a lore that I enjoy.