I mean, Maul being Empire would be like Rebels having Access to Darth Vader because he was redeemed at the end. And about as sensible as the Rebels just letting Vader waltz around on their ships too, considering that Inquisitors and big V very explicitly tried to kill Maul in the GCW timeline to say nothing of that one time ol' Sheev himself tried to kill him and stabbed his brother .

Very briefly, Maul was a sith apprentice with a Darth title, working for the guy who would eventually become Emperor, manipulating the Trade Federation like 20 years before the Empire became a thing. Then he was revived by a third party who ultimately opposed both CIS and the Republic, and he built a criminal cartel and occupied Mandalore, which had to be besieged by the Republic (this is why the Empire occupies Mandalore later). That's categorically scum, and strongly anti Republic and anti-Empire. Presumably he is then chased around by the Inquisitorius for the next 6-8 years however long until Rebels. He's not even properly "Rebel", he can only be linked to a list with Ezra, because Ezra is an idiot who tries to learn from weird, hooded and tattooed men he finds in ancient Sith ruins. Even Ezra ends up opposing him, but dropping the "or Ezra Bridger" restriction would mean waiting longer to release Maul and make him less interesting. Good that they try piloting some of these mechanics sooner rather than later.

If there was a Clone Wars era/factions to this game, sure, an argument could be made for him as a CIS pilot (same as BFII), but since we don't go back that far, it's all nonsense .

16 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

Yeah, I agree @Vineheart01 , and I wanted to clear up, @Darth Meanie , that I agree with you that Maul randomly being Scum is stupid. I just also think that there's no real justification for him being Imperial either (and not really a great excuse for Rebels, which is why he's Ezra only.)

For me, I would love to have Darth Maul in the game. IMHO, given Three Factions Only, all the Dark Side Baddies (Vader, Palps, Kylo, Maul) should be together. Asajj makes an interesting exception.

And, I also think there is room for factional versions of the same character: Maul the Scum, Darth Maul the pseudo-Imperial, Han Solo the Rebel, and Young Han Solo the Scum smuggler.

20 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

imo very few ships feel like they actually belong in scum.

All the bountyhunter ships were flown along Imperials because money
Most of the other ships were flown either flatout AS rebels or against the empire but not actually aligned with the rebels. Few exceptions of course, such as the quadjumper or afaik the protectorate

Then of course with Scum being a thing we get the mess that is technically every non something-wing ship should be scum, except perhaps the ARC given the context it was brought in the game (refitted old tech due to lack of ships)

Scum just cause all sorts of alignment issues but its the best way to get a third faction in a game of Good Guys vs Bad Guys (imps vs rebels fyi, stupid rebels claiming to be the good guys...). Only other way would be the Vong and...we dont talk about them

In Rebels, a Mandalorian clan was working for the Empire. So, you could argue for the Fang to get some Imperial representation the the game (Captain Hark, Tyber Saxon and Clan Saxon).

So, nothing is pure, and sometimes you need to go with "best fit." And best fit should not always default to S&V, just because they are not "pure Empire" or "pure Rebel."

Fair enough i actually never watched rebels i just know a fair bit of the major details

Imperial Mandos have never been seen flying Protectorates (which have only flown to aid rebels once and that's because one of their own was like "Can we go bail my second family out?"), and the fighter seems more associated specifically with Fenn's protectors - who are actually paid money by the Empire to let them pass but then we're falling into that Mercenary sphere. The empire stops working with the Protectors as soon as it fits their interests, which I think is kind of indicative of the Scum/Imperial split. Vader hires guys like Dengar and Bossk, but as soon as the check clears they go on about their business.

If you want to represent Imperial mandos in X-Wing, hope for some action on the Kom'rk. There's a ship which literally every faction has used.

47 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:

Imperial Mandos have never been seen flying Protectorates

And I never saw Tarn Mison in an X-wing.

It need not be the rate limiting step.

"Seen" probably isn't an inclusive word here. But, Fangs have only appeared in a visual medium (as far as I know) so it works. Tarn is said to be an X-Wing pilot at Hoth, and you see him in X-Wing gear and later they say he's one of the pilots with Bright Hope . We've got nothing about imperial mandos utilizing Fangs (and strictly speaking Rebels either, once again Loyalist mandos seem to be kind of doing their own thing against imperial occupation without strict Rebel intervention). We do explicitly see Gar Saxon's supercommando unit using a Kom'rk - hence why he's rolling around in one in Armada.

If you're gonna be that pedantic, shouldn't you be desperately hurt about how there isn't an Imperial and Scum Tarn Mison, since he was supposed to be an Imperial Pilot and smuggler before joining the rebels?

25 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:

If you're gonna be that pedantic, shouldn't you be desperately hurt about how there isn't an Imperial and Scum Tarn Mison, since he was supposed to be an Imperial Pilot and smuggler before joining the rebels?

Who says I'm not

Fair play.

2 hours ago, UnitOmega said:

If you're gonna be that pedantic, shouldn't you be desperately hurt about how there isn't an Imperial and Scum Tarn Mison, since he was supposed to be an Imperial Pilot and smuggler before joining the rebels?

1 hour ago, Darth Meanie said:

Who says I'm not

1 hour ago, UnitOmega said:

Fair play.

Wow. Epic.

Oh wait, that's what this thread is supposed to be about!

I'm thinking about putting together a strike force of jamming ships. It would be expensive. It would have a Gozanti with Broadcast Array & Docking Clamps to carry TIE bombers into battle, loaded with Scrambling Missiles and some other powerful missile/torp. There would also be a flight group of Gunboats with Jamming Beams and something with a little more punch - probably HLCs, but maybe I'd try a mix of missiles and cannons. The main idea is to lock down a large group of fighters so that they have trouble maintaining actions. If it were Team Epic, I'd suggest the other player fill their squad with as many Academy Pilots as possible, because when ships lose their actions, 2 attack dice can hurt. Just theorizing. I should probably try to build it, but I'm exhausted right now. Maybe later. But I'm not buying the Kimogila, so I won't have Scrambling Missiles, so it's just a thought exercise anyway.

12 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

For me, I would love to have Darth Maul in the game. IMHO, given Three Factions Only, all the Dark Side Baddies (Vader, Palps, Kylo, Maul) should be together. Asajj makes an interesting exception.

And, I also think there is room for factional versions of the same character: Maul the Scum, Darth Maul the pseudo-Imperial, Han Solo the Rebel, and Young Han Solo the Scum smuggler.

In Rebels, a Mandalorian clan was working for the Empire. So, you could argue for the Fang to get some Imperial representation the the game (Captain Hark, Tyber Saxon and Clan Saxon).

So, nothing is pure, and sometimes you need to go with "best fit." And best fit should not always default to S&V, just because they are not "pure Empire" or "pure Rebel."

Imperial Contract (title 0 pts, unique)

equip only on scum ship. This ship is now considered an Imperial ship and may be used in an Imperial squadron for normal squad point cost. You may also equip one other title.

On 11/30/2017 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy said:

Why.... is Maul every faction but Imperial?

Because FFG hates them.

No seriously we need a few Imperial or Scum Only or even a Rebel or Imperial Only upgrades.

23 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Layers of stupid. If you kill a character, just let him be dead.

You have to admit though that George Lucas didn't handle the character that well. He only had like 2 or 3 lines in the whole movie and then died. He should have stuck around until Episode 2 Attack of the clones, and killed Count Dooku. But since Vincent Price was a more popular actor thane him Count Dooku got more of the spot light than he deserved.

18 hours ago, Vineheart01 said:

imo very few ships feel like they actually belong in scum.

All the bountyhunter ships were flown along Imperials because money
Most of the other ships were flown either flatout AS rebels or against the empire but not actually aligned with the rebels. Few exceptions of course, such as the quadjumper or afaik the protectorate

Then of course with Scum being a thing we get the mess that is technically every non something-wing ship should be scum, except perhaps the ARC given the context it was brought in the game (refitted old tech due to lack of ships)

Scum just cause all sorts of alignment issues but its the best way to get a third faction in a game of Good Guys vs Bad Guys (imps vs rebels fyi, stupid rebels claiming to be the good guys...). Only other way would be the Vong and...we dont talk about them

I would like to see some of the Bounty Hunter ships cross over into Imperial faction. You could have fixed bot Scum being OP and Imperials being the underdogs just by making an Imperial Dengar and leave out all those stupid Nerfrattas that have yet to work.

1 hour ago, Marinealver said:

I would like to see some of the Bounty Hunter ships cross over into Imperial faction. You could have fixed bot Scum being OP and Imperials being the underdogs just by making an Imperial Dengar and leave out all those stupid Nerfrattas that have yet to work.

Why so salty? Dengar isn't the top dog by any means post latest Nerf, and I can virtually guarantee that the next worlds will not be won with an all Jumpmaster list.

Seriously, let it go. It's done.

Vincent Price might have been a more popular actor, but that's not why Dooku got more screen time than Maul...