19 hours ago, apoapsis said:Also pleased to see two different players making the cut with Quickdraw/2xPS4 Silencer at the past two UK regionals!
It's a fantastically fun list to fly, although I got thoroughly outplayed by the Quickdraw plus triple Harpoon Nus in the top 16. I'd wholeheartedly recommend giving it a try!
Regarding Houston Regionals;
I participated in the Houston event (my first regional or public tournament for that matter ever) and would say the majority of lists were heavily either Kanan / Fenn, 2 or more Gunboats + Imp ace, or 3 wookies. Mainly a lot of high HP ships though. There were a fair amount of Poe lists as well, but they didn't seem to make it far. Harpoons and bombs were not prevalent, but then again the proliferation of high HP ship lists in response to ordinance alphas and bombs might be why. Scum were almost nonexistent. I very well may have been the only person flying a Kimogila! I went 3-3 and finished 43rd with a Torani/Jostero/Nym list that represented scum respectably I hope for my first ever time playing people who weren't; my same 3 friends.
It can easily be said the new shuttle is the superstar of the recent wave. 7 of the top 16 had it in their list. Coordinate is so strong---with Fenn or Stresszra doing their thing it is brutal. Scum are done for the foreseeable future. Rebels continue to get all the best synergies. Bringing epic concepts seems to have heavily slanted the playing field. Three things I think;
1) Reinforce should count as an evade token or should only be used to cancel one result. Triple wooks (or worse, quad) is very NPE and requires little skill.
2) Coordinate should be limited to action bar only, without a doubt.
3) Harpoon condition should be applied only if a critical result is cancelled. Might see more small ships (13 of the top 16 lists for Houston were high HP lists, that tells us something) and variety of options.
Bottom line; If you're not bringing at least one ship with 9+ hit points nowadays, (and preferably either two or one with at least 12 HP) your list just doesn't stand a chance anymore.
Death Troopers and Servomotor S-Foils cannot get here fast enough. That will at least shut down some of the current mischief of epic ship actions in 100/6 and PS alpha ordinance jousts, and get ships back to arc flying. I don't even own imperials and I am thankful these are coming. But again, scum are done for awhile until.... Solo.
Edited by Cloaker10 hours ago, Cloaker said:1) Reinforce should count as an evade token or should only be used to cancel one result. Triple wooks (or worse, quad) is very NPE and requires little skill.
Juke Wookiees when?
11 hours ago, Cloaker said:
2) Coordinate should be limited to action bar only, without a doubt.
Engine Upgrade adds boost to the action bar, so it wont help with that.
18 hours ago, Cloaker said:Bottom line; If you're not bringing at least one ship with 9+ hit points nowadays, (and preferably either two or one with at least 12 HP) your list just doesn't stand a chance anymore.
Having just gone top 16 with three 6 hit point arc restricted ships this weekend, I'd respectfully disagree.
You need to have some strong defence options, but that doesn't just have to be a pile of hit points.
4 hours ago, Jarval said:Having just gone top 16 with three 6 hit point arc restricted ships this weekend, I'd respectfully disagree.
There are always outliers due to variance. But the overwhelming amount of high HP ships (not even necessarily large ones) is pretty undeniable. 7 of the top 10 and 10 of the top 15 on List Juggler right now have 9 or more HP. (Lose Zeb out of the equation as he isn't actually being flown.) And there are only two out of 15 below 6 HP---Vader and Fenn Rau shuttle both at 5.
The fact that people no longer play 4 HP or less ships anymore tells the story.
Edited by Cloaker11 hours ago, MegaSilver said:Engine Upgrade adds boost to the action bar, so it wont help with that.
Then non upgrade bar enabled actions. But you get the idea.
28 minutes ago, Cloaker said:Then non upgrade bar enabled actions. But you get the idea.
This isn't my idea, but what if you restricted both Coordinate and Advanced Sensors to disallow re-positioning actions?
12 minutes ago, impspy said:This isn't my idea, but what if you restricted both Coordinate and Advanced Sensors to disallow re-positioning actions?
Just can’t coordinate to ships cheaper than you or lower PS than you.
Portland System Open results on list juggler, but mostly empty outside the top 8. Anyone got photos of the final standings?
http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=4036
1 hour ago, apoapsis said:Portland System Open results on list juggler, but mostly empty outside the top 8. Anyone got photos of the final standings?
http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=4036
I'm the one who came in 9th after making the cut and then losing the play-in round:
Shara Bey (28)
Trick Shot (0)
Bodhi Rook (1)
BB-8 (2)
Alliance Overhaul (0)
Bandit Squadron Pilot (12)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Guidance Chips (0)
Bandit Squadron Pilot (12)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Guidance Chips (0)
Bandit Squadron Pilot (12)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Guidance Chips (0)
Fenn Rau (Sheathipede) (20)
Adaptability (0)
"Chopper" (0)
Flight-Assist Astromech (1)
Total: 100
View in Yet Another Squad Builder
I only have a photo of the top 10 after swiss.
I have to say that Blair's Zarpoon list absolutely terrifies me to my core more than any other list in that top 16. Good fricking lord.
I updated names and scores thru the mid 20's. There are a about 10 more names before the scattered drops start. I'll update more later if I have time. Lists I can't really help with, tho I may be able to add my opponent's lists (the ones I have pics of anyway) - that'll be later too.
So, the List Juggler is updated thru my fellow Hyperspace Qualifier finalist as of now (Mr. Wiggin).
Any video of the final? Also would love to see video of Blair’s poon swarm.
1 minute ago, BlodVargarna said:Any video of the final? Also would love to see video of Blair’s poon swarm.
All up on Gold Squadron's channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1qv7WUh0rldbnuFBuaXyUw/videos
Pretty sure a game of Blair's was streamed, not sure where though.
1 hour ago, PhantomFO said:I have to say that Blair's Zarpoon list absolutely terrifies me to my core more than any other list in that top 16. Good fricking lord.
Playing against it is so so so so so much fun. You dont so much try to dodge arcs as you have to range control the arcs of an entire half squadron. Its beautiful.
1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:Playing against it is so so so so so much fun. You dont so much try to dodge arcs as you have to range control the arcs of an entire half squadron. Its beautiful.
I think sozin flew a variant of it against me during the first round of the Evergreen Cup this year. It's so gross. So, so gross.
2 hours ago, Boom Owl said:Playing against it is so so so so so much fun. You dont so much try to dodge arcs as you have to range control the arcs of an entire half squadron. Its beautiful.
Or you play Timewalk Asajj and just kinda look at it with amusement and pity like, " ... Really?"
(I played Treadmill Asajj (plus Bossk) this weekend. First time ever. Jesus.)
13 hours ago, Jeff Wilder said:Or you play Timewalk Asajj and just kinda look at it with amusement and pity like, " ... Really?"
(I played Treadmill Asajj (plus Bossk) this weekend. First time ever. Jesus.)
I assume you ran some #JabbaMeta?
Good man. Jabbajabbajabbjabbaassaj
One jabba for each lb of glitter.
Gross though. So gross.
Actually I take it back...thats straight Jank. Be proud.
Edited by Boom Owl19 hours ago, Cloaker said:There are always outliers due to variance. But the overwhelming amount of high HP ships (not even necessarily large ones) is pretty undeniable.
If only people would enter their lists in listjuggler then we could tell without a doubt whether that‘s true or not.
We do have aggregated data from Regionals in January, and that shows a mean health of around 7.5, and a median of 7.
Depends whether you call that highHP or not. Median for imperials is 6 btw.
Copenhagen System Open results. No lists yet but full standings.
http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=4042
4 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:If only people would enter their lists in listjuggler then we could tell without a doubt whether that‘s true or not.
We do have aggregated data from Regionals in January, and that shows a mean health of around 7.5, and a median of 7.
Depends whether you call that highHP or not. Median for imperials is 6 btw.
Sounds about right, The days of low HP ships are pretty much over. Of the 22 ships in the game between 3 factions with 5 or less HP, only 4 pilots see regular table time and two of them are Fenn. Two of them are on the same ship (sheathipede). Aggressors and Strikers were DOA, Corran and OL were pushed out. If you can't handle 3-4 damage in the opening, or splash damage taking off 25%+ of your health, etc. You're done.
The t-65 fix will bring them back into contention. And unless your name rhymes with hair junk, lists with 4 or less HP per ship still won't be top tier. Understandable that final salvo was not good for the game and they want to speed up competitive play by having less ships on the board either in lists or through murderous attrition.
Not complaining, just commenting on the state of the game currently. If we see where even 30%+ of a top 16 has at least two ships with low HP then perhaps the game will be changing.
Shoutout to these regionals for entering most or all lists into listjuggler:
You guys are awesome!
I have now aggregated 2982 list builds since Genius was nerfed, in 1049 squads. This regional season is getting almost as nice as vassal to look at
edit: there are small gems in there. E.g. Vader used more Cruise (23) than Harpoon (17), but those with Harpoons had 0.6 games more won, while those without any missile (8) were even lower than those with cruise. Or 87 out of 106 Mirandas used Harpoon missiles. And so on. This is a goldmine, Jerry, a goldmine!
Edited by GreenDragoon@GreenDragoon which configuration of ghost is winning the most so I can run the most cancerous form of cancer
2 minutes ago, AngryAlbatross said:@GreenDragoon which configuration of ghost is winning the most so I can run the most cancerous form of cancer
so, there were 135 ghosts. That's just 4.5% of all lists and disproves the felt "every second list is a ghost, seriously dude" we all feel. Median and mode wins are both 4, and just 6 players finished 6-0 with it, and 31 finished 5-1.
Lothal was the most frequent with 74 showings, Kanan had 49, and Hera and Chopper each 6.
107 used TLT, only 10 Synced. The rest are ion (4), dorsal (2), autoblaster (7) and 5 had no turret at all...
Synced has a slightly higher mean of won games, 3.8 vs the 3.74 of TLT. The others are all worse, and dorsal is not surprisingly the worst with an average of 2 games won...
96 ships used Engine Upgrade, 29 nothing, and the rest is tactical jammer (8), shieldupgrade (1) or countermeasures (1). Engine has a clearly (0.7) higher amount of won games (3.84 vs 3.14). Countermeasures won 4, but that's a single guy. Tacticaljammer is at 3.75, shieldupgrade at 1...
Keep in mind that these are not all FennGhost lists though. Metawing is better for that specific question