Mountaintop Statuary

By Andre Bigler, in L5R LCG: Rules Discussion

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There was this leak recently, and it made us here thinking...

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Mountaintop Statuary
Dragon Clan. Holding. +1 Strenght.
Temple.
Reaction: After this holding is turned faceup - move it onto your stronghold province.
Action: During a conflict at this province, sacrifice this holding. Choose an attacking character with printed cost 2 or lower - move that character home.

Ok. So, when a Holding is revealed in any of the "normal" provinces, it stays there until the player discard it (or the province get broken, when the player is forced to discar faceup cards on it). With this, there's no way to have 2 or more holdings placed on the same province.

Then, the Reaction on "Mountaintop Statuary" allows me to put it on my Stronghold province. It doesn't says "as an attachment" or "attach to your stronghold" . So I think "Statuary" stays there like in any "normal" province... But isn't the Stronghold already there? And if I already have a Statuary there, can I attach another one, for an additional +1 Strenght and two uses of its Actions?

There was any rule about more than one Holding on a province? Could it be that Statuary should be worded "attach it to your Stronghold" or something like that?

Edited by Arkano
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It does not switch places with the stronghold, so I believe it simply occupies that space as well. Is there any rule that says you couldn't have 2+ cards in a province? Or are there simply no rules or cards (yet) which have caused this situation?

Edited by Soshi Nimue
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I think this is just a brand new situation. Prior to this, there hasn't been an effect to cause multiple cards to be in the same province. The rules just state that a Province with a holding does not refill. The only other holding I'm aware of that moves is the Crab province which switches places with the card in the province it moves to. Far as I can tell, there's nothing to say you can't actually move cards to have multiple cards in a single province, and since afaik the province strength had a plus sign, each copy moved to the stronghold province would indeed add it's bonus.

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Yeah, I was the one who noticed this same thing in the spoilers thread, and I’ve been looking through all the RRD, and haven’t found anything that prevents you to have more than one holding in the same province.

Probably will be errata’d, though. I doubt that is working as intended.

Edited by Tabris2k
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On 11/25/2017 at 0:31 AM, Tabris2k said:

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Probably will be errata’d, though. I doubt that is working as intended.

I don’t know - since each card represents a Temple, I couldn’t see why you can’t have 1-3 Temples adjoining a single Stronghold. :D

Furthermore, I don’t find this Holding strong enough to substitute another Conflict card out of my deck and instead include this Holding. It can ‘bounce’ a 2Fate or lower character home, yes, but does that warrant it’s inclusion into a ‘common Dragon’ deck? Remains to be seen.

If I compare the Mountaintop Statuary to Favored Ground (which possesses a more valued ability imo), I would think that Favored Ground comes out on top almost all of the time, since its ability can be used as soon as it comes up instead of on the defense of your Stronghold at (pretty likely) the end of the game. ??‍♂️

But I’m happy that Dragon is getting a flavored card such as this. It tells me that FFG is on the right track with Clan themes. ?

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On 26/11/2017 at 5:35 AM, LordBlunt said:

I don’t know - since each card represents a Temple, I couldn’t see why you can’t have 1-3 Temples adjoining a single Stronghold.

Furthermore, I don’t find this Holding strong enough to substitute another Conflict card out of my deck and instead include this Holding. It can ‘bounce’ a 2Fate or lower character home, yes, but does that warrant it’s inclusion into a ‘common Dragon’ deck? Remains to be seen.

If I compare the Mountaintop Statuary to Favored Ground (which possesses a more valued ability imo), I would think that Favored Ground comes out on top almost all of the time, since its ability can be used as soon as it comes up instead of on the defense of your Stronghold at (pretty likely) the end of the game. ??‍♂️

But I’m happy that Dragon is getting a flavored card such as this. It tells me that FFG is on the right track with Clan themes. ?

MS has the advantage of setting the province free for replacement. With favored ground, I often find myself using the holding for little effect as I dont want it stuck on a province, and in that case, I prefer having a personality than a holding...

I think MS has a higher chance to be a factor in games, and if it is not, then it means I am winning.

Have to play it to decide but on paper, I like MS more than FG.