On 25.11.2017 at 8:09 AM, HammerGibbens said:

But you just compared Wedge over 3 movies to just a couple scenes with Poe in a single film.

Poe in those couple scenes is shown to be very kind to his droid, willing to work with and trust a stormtrooper that needs his help, and even goes so far as to give him a name since the system he was indoctrinated into didn't. In Episode IV you don't get half as much stuff with Wedge.

I don't know what you're talking about. Is Wedge even adressed by name in the movies? Couldn't tell. I also don't know what he looks like. And I've seen those movies, like, a ****-ton of times. It needs one viewing to know Poe. There's infinitely more info about him than Wedge. Sheesh.

1 hour ago, Stefan said:

I don't know what you're talking about. Is Wedge even adressed by name in the movies? Couldn't tell. I also don't know what he looks like. And I've seen those movies, like, a ****-ton of times. It needs one viewing to know Poe. There's infinitely more info about him than Wedge. Sheesh.

“Get out Wedge, you can’t do any good back there” - Luke

2 hours ago, Estarriol said:

But it does let me have a target lock loc, focus and evade! I think part of why I love Poe is that there isn’t a right way to build him. PT would’ve helped in games 1 and 4 but I would’ve lost game 2. Advanced optics is the way, I Think.

It can. TL all ready in play. BB8 for Evade, action for Focus

39 minutes ago, Shockwave said:

It can. TL all ready in play. BB8 for Evade, action for Focus

In the unlikely event you didn’t use it last turn. At least for the first round of shooting the CR build can guarantee all three if you have the PS/Initiative advantage.

But as I said, it doesn’t mean either is the superior build, since PT can talon roll without losing the focus. This is where AO will become superior in my opinion.

8 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

In the unlikely event you didn’t use it last turn. At least for the first round of shooting the CR build can guarantee all three if you have the PS/Initiative advantage.

But as I said, it doesn’t mean either is the superior build, since PT can talon roll without losing the focus. This is where AO will become superior in my opinion.

Agreed. Though with AO I’ve got something in the back of my mind regarding the difficulty of getting back Intensity if your spend your AO Focus.

But im 4 pints in and the wifes trolling me.

I can't get this build out of my head. Head going to be able to both pack a punch and run away like never before.

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Lone Wolf (2)
R2-D2 (4)
Advanced Optics (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 44

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I keep wondering about all these "Lone Wolf" builds around here.

Do you people really use that?

I think it's incredibly difficult to keep Poe away from his teammates during combat, especially when you're trying to focus fire.

Poe is my ‘go-to’ pilot as well. Now if FFG would put Wedge in a T-70......

3 minutes ago, Schu81 said:

I keep wondering about all these "Lone Wolf" builds around here.

Do you people really use that?

I think it's incredibly difficult to keep Poe away from his teammates during combat, especially when you're trying to focus fire.

I haven't used it yet, and you might be right. There's no reason you could keep him away from the likes of Dash or a tanky Han. I'm also think about the end game, where it'll always proc. I've not flown him like that yet, though, so time will tell. If it doesn't work, I think the same build with VI, possibly even dropping him to the PS8 version and VI up to 10 to shave points, will do fine as well. Depending on the list, it might be objectively better.

Just now, Pooleman said:

Poe is my ‘go-to’ pilot as well. Now if FFG would put Wedge in a T-70......

Na, think about Luke in a T-70

Auto Thrusters, Sensor Cluster and a Reg Droid....

Just now, Shockwave said:

Na, think about Luke in a T-70

Auto Thrusters, Sensor Cluster and a Reg Droid....

I don’t know, man. An arc dodging Wedge who can get in close, roll for dice and reduce agility by 1 seems devestating to me. Or an intensity Wedge? Unstoppable and fun.

9 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

Over the entire OT you don’t get that much range (or screen time) from Wedge.

Wedge has an entire series of books to flesh out his character a bit (still a one note really).

Poe also ditched everyone on Jakku, including BB-8 to go back to the resistance. He's not that great a character and, while I'm sure there's a bit of pseudo-science to explain it, the way his T-70 dances is kind of stupid. The fact that he's a "**** of a pilot", is coming from the most clueless (by design) character in the series, Finn. Compare him to Anakin's absurdly fast and precise fire in RotS, or Vader and Luke's incredible determination and teamwork in the original trilogy and you realise that Poe just isn't special.

Wedge, on the other hand, was kind of ditched by Disney, but in the old EU he was portrayed as one of the most reliable, trustworthy characters in the galaxy, besides being a stupidly good pilot.

1 minute ago, Astech said:

Poe also ditched everyone on Jakku, including BB-8 to go back to the resistance. He's not that great a character and, while I'm sure there's a bit of pseudo-science to explain it, the way his T-70 dances is kind of stupid. The fact that he's a "**** of a pilot", is coming from the most clueless (by design) character in the series, Finn. Compare him to Anakin's absurdly fast and precise fire in RotS, or Vader and Luke's incredible determination and teamwork in the original trilogy and you realise that Poe just isn't special.

Wedge, on the other hand, was kind of ditched by Disney, but in the old EU he was portrayed as one of the most reliable, trustworthy characters in the galaxy, besides being a stupidly good pilot.

You shut your mouth! Don’t you dare talk that way about my darling handsome space boy Poe!!

1 hour ago, Pooleman said:

I don’t know, man. An arc dodging Wedge who can get in close, roll for dice and reduce agility by 1 seems devestating to me. Or an intensity Wedge? Unstoppable and fun.

Wedge, BB8, Intensity, Engine Upgrade. Done.

1 hour ago, Astech said:

Poe also ditched everyone on Jakku, including BB-8 to go back to the resistance. He's not that great a character and, while I'm sure there's a bit of pseudo-science to explain it, the way his T-70 dances is kind of stupid. The fact that he's a "**** of a pilot", is coming from the most clueless (by design) character in the series, Finn. Compare him to Anakin's absurdly fast and precise fire in RotS, or Vader and Luke's incredible determination and teamwork in the original trilogy and you realise that Poe just isn't special.

By the timing of the movie, it looks more likely everyone else made it off of Jakku before he did. He probably got to the Resistance first because the whole detour caused by meeting with Han.

As for flying chops, the entire sequence feels a bit loopy but Finn makes that statement after Poe pulls a double Ace run in under 20 seconds. Then there was the whole fly through blast hole sequence against Star Killer Base. For someone who isn't a Space Kung Fu Wizard, that's pretty good.

35 minutes ago, Octarine-08 said:

By the timing of the movie, it looks more likely everyone else made it off of Jakku before he did. He probably got to the Resistance first because the whole detour caused by meeting with Han.

As for flying chops, the entire sequence feels a bit loopy but Finn makes that statement after Poe pulls a double Ace run in under 20 seconds. Then there was the whole fly through blast hole sequence against Star Killer Base. For someone who isn't a Space Kung Fu Wizard, that's pretty good.

Well, in the time it takes for Finn - a hardened ground trooper in environmentally protective armour - to:
Reach the nearest town, escape the planet almost immediately and then fly directly to Maz Kanata'a castle, only to be rescued 30 minutes later by Poe.

Poe manages to:
Escape from a town that is not closer, fly to the rebellion Resistance home base, prep and fly fighters to Finn's rescue that were only required because he didn't stick with Finn in the first place.

Poe pulling that double ace run is plot material. He was in a hostile saturated area, moving incredibly slowly for a starfighter, at ground level. The fact that he wasn't shot down is bizarre, and can only be explained by plot armour.

19 hours ago, Shockwave said:

“Get out Wedge, you can’t do any good back there” - Luke

Sorry, forgot about that pivotal, iconic moment of the Trench Run.

19 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

Wedge, BB8, Intensity, Engine Upgrade. Done.

What bums me out is that the actor who plays Wedge actually turned down an offer to appear in The Force Awakens according to an old article I read today. If Wedge had just accepted the opportunity to reprise his role FFG may have actually included him in the T-70 expansion or some other expansion (Hero’s of the Resistance perhaps). Major bummer.

41 minutes ago, Pooleman said:

What bums me out is that the actor who plays Wedge actually turned down an offer to appear in The Force Awakens according to an old article I read today. If Wedge had just accepted the opportunity to reprise his role FFG may have actually included him in the T-70 expansion or some other expansion (Hero’s of the Resistance perhaps). Major bummer.

Yeah, that would have been AWESOME to see him as a General or something. I doubt he's be flying anything though.

1 minute ago, Boba Rick said:

Yeah, that would have been AWESOME to see him as a General or something. I doubt he's be flying anything though.

I choose to believe he would still be flying. Han and Lando were generals as well but still piloted ships in battle.

8 minutes ago, Pooleman said:

I choose to believe he would still be flying. Han and Lando were generals as well but still piloted ships in battle.

That's true, and Nien Nunb was flying in TFA!

12 minutes ago, Boba Rick said:

That's true, and Nien Nunb was flying in TFA!

Why Denis Lawson? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!

Why not simply recast the role? They even did it in ANH changing from David Ankrum to Dennis Lawson.

Its not like Lawson’s 10 or so lines across three movies were so indelible to the character. I bet they could find a fine actor to reprise the role of General Antilles.

A vague though coming to mind... Lone Wolf, Advanced Optics, Autothrusters, R2F2... In a turret meta it could work, right?

2 hours ago, Estarriol said:

A vague though coming to mind... Lone Wolf, Advanced Optics, Autothrusters, R2F2... In a turret meta it could work, right?

Nah. Just take R2-D2 for the extra point. Let a hit or two come through then regen it.