Crimson Specialist Ability reads - "When placing a bomb token you dropped after revealing your maneuver dial, you may place the bomb token anywhere on the play area touching your ship."

Questions have already been raised as to whether this covers Action: bombs? Since those bombs are dropped after you revealed your manoeuvre dial. That's a question for a different post.

More to the point can you place the bomb token anywhere?

Is the restriction "anywhere on (the play area touching your ship)" or "anywhere on (the play area) AND (touching your ship)"?

In the first case "the play area touching your ship" is the one the ship is sitting on (as opposed to any other play area in the world). In the second (and far more sensible reading) the token has to touch the ship.

What do people think?

The second one is the correct interpretation, don't come with that nonsense.

Similarly, the point you're dismissing, you absolutely should be dismissing. Bombs that are dropped after your manoeuvre are the ones with that timing on the card.

These readings aren't even attempting to read the rules in the way they're blindingly obviously intended, they're just trolling.

Seriously, when you can read a rule as it's obviously intended, or read poor writing to allow a genuinely broken interpretation, the former is the correct reading.

I'm not disagreeing with you on how this should work. Merely pointing out that RAW both of these are absolutely within the rules. Sure I'd stop playing someone if they tried pulling them on me because of it but they wouldn't be wrong.

No, they would.

There is a genuine question though, of whether underneath your ship is a viable place...

Here’s my opinion: Overlapping is the state of objects in the game when one lands on the other. Touching is specifically described as the state of ships after Overlapping rules are resolved.

From the rule for Overlapping, “Once the ship is no longer overlapping another ship, place it so that it is touching the last ship it overplapped.”

There is a transition from “overlapping” in present tense to the to the word “touching” in present tense followed by “overlapped” in past tense.

I think there is (barely) enough clarity in the rules to assert touching means two objects which their edges in contact, not overlapping.

This is going to require an errata to the Touching entry in the Rules Reference, because the actual rule entry for touching only applies to ships that overlapped when a maneuver was executed.

LOL Some people will try anything! C'mon!

I'm sorry, you're asking whether or not you can place the bomb on some other game's play area?

And yes, underneath the ship would be acceptable since it would be touching.

*And yes, underneath the ship would be acceptable since it would be touching.* /facepalm

13 minutes ago, ObiWonka said:

And yes, underneath the ship would be acceptable since it would be touching.

At this point I agree, but I’m predicting the next FAQ specifies “Touching” means along the edges only.

When 2 ships bump, do you leave the bases one under the other? NO! You back them up until they are TOUCHING.

8 hours ago, jmswood said:

At this point I agree, but I’m predicting the next FAQ specifies “Touching” means along the edges only.

Makes more sense to me the other way, but I could see that happening.

16 hours ago, Bilisknir said:

Crimson Specialist Ability reads - "When placing a bomb token you dropped after revealing your maneuver dial, you may place the bomb token anywhere on the play area touching your ship."

Questions have already been raised as to whether this covers Action: bombs? Since those bombs are dropped after you revealed your manoeuvre dial. That's a question for a different post.

More to the point can you place the bomb token anywhere?

Is the restriction "anywhere on (the play area touching your ship)" or "anywhere on (the play area) AND (touching your ship)"?

In the first case "the play area touching your ship" is the one the ship is sitting on (as opposed to any other play area in the world). In the second (and far more sensible reading) the token has to touch the ship.

What do people think?

You 100% absolutely can NOT drop action bombs.

The dropped bomb 100% must be in contact with the ship base.

This is because OF COURSE THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. Seriously, no one with even the tinniest bit of sense could possibly make any sort of reasonable argument otherwise. There does eventually reach a point where you have to allow some common sense regardlesw of how it's written even if there is technically a crack in the language for something ridiculous.

3 hours ago, sharrrp said:

You 100% absolutely can NOT drop action bombs.

The dropped bomb 100% must be in contact with the ship base.

This is because OF COURSE THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. Seriously, no one with even the tinniest bit of sense could possibly make any sort of reasonable argument otherwise. There does eventually reach a point where you have to allow some common sense regardlesw of how it's written even if there is technically a crack in the language for something ridiculous.

Please don't mention common sense. There are more than a few rulings that don't make sense from a game play standpoint. Also, the mantra of "Do what the card says and don't do what the card doesn't say", coupled with the wording on some cards, has caused players to examine the cards in ways you shouldn't have to.

While I agree the common sense approach would have the bomb' s edge touching the ship's base, placing it underneath seems to fulfill the card's requirements.

7 hours ago, Stoneface said:

While I agree the common sense approach would have the bomb' s edge touching the ship's base, placing it underneath seems to fulfill the card's requirements.

I think he was referring the ridiculous concept that the bomb could be place anywhere over all the play area, because the play area is touching the ship...

1 hour ago, muribundi said:

I think he was referring the ridiculous concept that the bomb could be place anywhere over all the play area, because the play area is touching the ship...

Ah! I missed that. Too long of a day and way too much of good food.

8 hours ago, muribundi said:

I think he was referring the ridiculous concept that the bomb could be place anywhere over all the play area, because the play area is touching the ship...

Yes, this. I think placing the bomb in some manner under your base is imminently reasonable. Under the base is still in contact with it and it's already legal to frop bombs under the bases of other ships so no reason to think you couldn't put it under your own given this ability.

Common sense should only be an absolute last resort but sometimes when something COMPLETELY ridiculous get proposed it's an acceptable fall back. Another example someone once proposed was Zuvio says "drop a bomb" as opposed to some other cards that say "drop an equipped bomb" and they tried to argue that he could then drop any bomb he felt like even if he didn't have one equipped AT ALL. Now I don't know that I could find and actual written rule somewhere that would specifically prohibit that, but just of course because OF COURSE you can't do that.

One should never try to inject common sense into an argument, because as we all know, sometimes it's not that common.

Just sayin'.