So with all the new bombers, Harpoons, Turrets and and the add in things like the Trajectory and even Saturation Salvos. Do Swarms still hold any clout?

I think they can but tactics with them have to change heavily. The trick is where is that sweet spot? I feel like an Ace or two cheaper Aces and then your usual 4-5 other ships is going to be the ideal spot. If the ace can pull fire and the genetics can get in then you can start to strafe vs the typical get in and stay in. Also the ships need to be okay by themselves it feels like everything is gearing away from formation flying, unless your Rebel. Then even they are playing it risky with all the extra shots coming in. So how do Swarms survive until something better for them comes along?

I really hope something comes along to makes swarms more attractive again. Even more than the lack of X-Wings, the absence of TIE swarms as viable competitors makes me sad.

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4 minutes ago, ObiWonka said:

I really hope something comes along to makes swarms more attractive again. Even more than the lack of X-Wings, the absence of TIE swarms as viable competitors makes me sad.

Numbers seems irrelevant anymore. The Jm5k’s didn’t care. Miranda cares very little because of TLT’s Dash even less do to his size, and now another giant Turret. And people forget how disgusting Ruthlessness can be to formation flying. Assault Missles while a thing are so expensive they don’t get used in 100/6.

Swarm is virtually dead with all the bombs and missiles on a 100/6.

Crackshot swarm remain one of my favorite build when I play on tournament.

However the power of the swarm is truly on epic games !

Nowadays 4 ships lists could almost be considered a swarm just because such a large chunk of lists are 2 or 3 ships.

I actually decided recently I want to go from 3 ships to 4 ships in my list because of stuff like kylo and all the high PS alpha strikes that both really murder you if you're running a small number of ships, and they aren't PS10+.

Had one game so far against dengar/fenn/inaldra. Tough going against not one, but TWO of the most OP pilots in the game currently. Actually had a few things go my way but still got destroyed, and it wasn't even because of flying a new list really. Just because of how insane those two pilots are.

Ordinance lists are too bull now for much else to work. ive been a scyk guy for awhile, but losing 2 to 3 ships in the first round of combat is a hard barrier to my enjoyment of the game. the resistance bomber preview makes it clear swarms are never coming back