Exactly as the title says

Can the Bayushi Manipulator (or any other similar abilities) raise the bid above 5?

Yes. The number on your bid dial does not change (For effects like I can Swim), but your results do. So if you Bid 5 then trigger Bayushi Manipulator, your bid will be considered 6 for resolving the issue, so if your Opponent Bid 1, then you would draw 6 cards and pay your opponent 5 honor.

On 11/22/2017 at 8:03 AM, Mirith said:

Yes. The number on your bid dial does not change (For effects like I can Swim), but your results do. So if you Bid 5 then trigger Bayushi Manipulator, your bid will be considered 6 for resolving the issue, so if your Opponent Bid 1, then you would draw 6 cards and pay your opponent 5 honor.

wow, my oldest son was in a tourney down in Vegas and they payed four honor in that situation and with Cont Plan too. Something about paying the honor first and then triggering effect? Your the man though so I guess they were wrong.

It just came up in a Scorp vs Scorp game last night.

17 hours ago, Fu Leng said:

they payed four honor in that situation and with Cont Plan too. Something about paying the honor first and then triggering effect?

This is not a correct way to play these effects in my opinion. If I recall well, paying the honnor and drawing cards are simultaneous actions and any effect would resolve before or after and not in between

If this was the case Conetngency Plan would be useless. You use a card from your hand to draw an extra card ? it does not make much sense, but the opposite would be worse: using a card from your hand to draw one card less, without any returned benefits. Cont Plan allows you to effectively bid 0 and steal 1 honnor from an opponent that believes being safe bidding 1. This is what makes this card awesome.

We can look to the timing framework for confirmation on this one. Revealing honor bids, paying honor, and drawing cards are 3 separate steps. Bayushi Manipulator and Contingency Plan both trigger after the bids are revealed, which means the reaction window is immediately before the step when honor is paid.

Yes and first reaction is up to 1. player

On 11/22/2017 at 10:03 AM, Mirith said:

Yes. The number on your bid dial does not change (For effects like I can Swim), but your results do.

Is this correct? Why wouldnt it? Manipulator says it raises my bid. Just bc the dial doesnt physically go over 5, doesnt mean its bid isnt higher?

~D

5 hours ago, HoodieDM said:

Is this correct? Why wouldnt it? Manipulator says it raises my bid. Just bc the dial doesnt physically go over 5, doesnt mean its bid isnt higher?

~D

This is not what Mirith said. Your bid (either draw or duel) is higher, with all that implies (drawing more cards/getting a higher stat bonus and honor transfer), but the number on your dial doesn't change, so effects that look at that number (Good Omen, I Can Swim) see the unmodified bid.

Some cards say if your bid is lower and some (notably I can swim) specifically say dial. Can I assume that unless a card specifically says "dial," then "honor bid" means the modified value? Or does the term "honor bid" always mean "dial"?

Bid Value
If the value of an honor bid is modified, resolve that bid as if the modified value is that player’s bid. The value of a bid may exceed five (the highest number on the honor dial), or may be reduced to zero.
◊ When the value of an honor bid is modified, the setting on the dial is not itself adjusted.

So when the card references the bid, you take the modified value, but when it references the dial, you just take the number in the dial.