Hello to all my question is can I put chars like kazue and Wanderer under this holding ??

Its ts written only scorpion chars , I can create them to scorpion but before they leaving they lose this effect rules of reference. So they can’t go under the holding.

Leaves Play ¶ ↑

The phrase "leaves play" refers to any time a card makes a transition from an in-play state to an out-of-play destination.

If a card leaves play, the following consequences occur simultaneously with the card leaving play:

• All tokens on the card are returned to the general token pool.
• All non-ancestral attachments on the card are discarded. All ancestral attachments on the card are returned to their owners' hands.
• All lasting effects and/or delayed effects affecting the card while it was in play expire for that card.

Yes. Both the seal and the character leave play at the same time. Since it is an interrupt to leaving play, both are considered in effect and it can be attached to the holding.

Same logic as Embrace the Void.

If you meant characters played as attachments specifically, then no, because they aren't characters when they leave play.

No I just wondered the timing when it happen to lose effect before leaving play so I can seal my opponents chars and put them under my holding all is fine now

11 minutes ago, Gomeso said:

No I just wondered the timing when it happen to lose effect before leaving play so I can seal my opponents chars and put them under my holding all is fine now

You could theoretically Blackmail->Seal->Kill somehow-> Trigger the alley to steal their character, but that feels convoluted. But "When a <Scorpion> character you control leaves play - ..."

Does anyone know if there has been a clarification on when exactly you're allowed to play the character in this holding? It says Action, I know, but the actual description of the action says you may play them as if they were in a province. And characters that are in provinces can only be played from them in the Dynasty. Do we know if this gets around that?

You can play it anytime but only at home not into conflict on https://fiveringsdb.com/cards/search?q=Hide you can see the dev rule

19 minutes ago, Gomeso said:

You can play it anytime but only at home not into conflict on https://fiveringsdb.com/cards/search?q=Hide you can see the dev rule

Thanks for that. Wasn't aware of the outright inability to play into a conflict, OR that you have to pay full asking price for the guy. Not really digging this card now lol. Maybe when there are some dirty enter into play effects to really rinse. In the meantime, I don't think I have space in my life for this bad boy.

Probably good for Bayushi Liars! They're always worth recasting for 1. I really didn't like the card at first, but I could see it growing on me. Getting to reuse a character's not bad.

I will play it 2 times just to keep shoju or someone else when I need them

Its a good card to recover someone essential. If you can set it up (only way I can think of is Shosuro actress, unless you splash Stoic Gunso or Noble Sacrifice), to basically unbow them by playing them again. Assuming you have the fate.

3 hours ago, Daigotsu Steve said:

Thanks for that. Wasn't aware of the outright inability to play into a conflict, OR that you have to pay full asking price for the guy. Not really digging this card now lol. Maybe when there are some dirty enter into play effects to really rinse. In the meantime, I don't think I have space in my life for this bad boy.

"Play" means paying the full cost. It also means you can add fate on the character. Both of these are in opposition to "put into play", which bypasses the cost and the opportunity to add fate on the character. As for playing a character into a conflict, this is an option specifically for characters played from your hand, so you don't get it when playing a character as if it were in a province.

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Character Cards
Character cards represent the bushi, courtiers, shugenja, monks, shinobi, armies, creatures, and other personalities and groups one might encounter in Rokugan.
• Character cards generally enter play ready and in a player’s home area, and remain in play unless removed by an ability or game step.
• When a player plays a character from his or her hand during a conflict, the player has the option to play it directly into the conflict, ready and participating on his or her side.

If the card you place under BACK-ALLEY HIDEAWAY is non-unique, can you use the action to add a fate to another copy of the non-unique in play?

28 minutes ago, kraken78 said:

If the card you place under BACK-ALLEY HIDEAWAY is non-unique, can you use the action to add a fate to another copy of the non-unique in play?

The Duplicate rule only works for Uniques, not non-Uniques.

That said, if a Unique character is under the Hideaway, you cannot discard it to add fate to a copy in play.
The card in the Hideaway is not in the province. The Hideaway only allows you to play the character as if they were in the province.

10 hours ago, Bayushi Shunsuke said:

The Duplicate rule only works for Uniques, not non-Uniques.

That said, if a Unique character is under the Hideaway, you cannot discard it to add fate to a copy in play.
The card in the Hideaway is not in the province. The Hideaway only allows you to play the character as if they were in the province.

Not to mention, the discarding-a-unique-to-add-a-fate-to-that-unique-already-in-play rule is itself an action, which can only be take during the Dynasty phase.

Another thing: Face-up cards in your provinces are considered “in play”. So when you discard a unique card in your province to put Fate over that same unique card in your home, the first card is considered to be leaving play, so can be placed under Back-Alley. Then you can play it again once the first one leaves play!

Also usable when the opponent breaks your province and makes you discard a character. Oh! And when you discard characters at the end of the Fate phase!

3 minutes ago, Tabris2k said:

Another thing: Face-up cards in your provinces are considered “in play”. So when you discard a unique card in your province to put Fate over that same unique card in your home, the first card is considered to be leaving play, so can be placed under Back-Alley. Then you can play it again (sacrificing Back-alley) to put another Fate in the unique. Twice the bang for your buck!

No, this is not how it works at all. Only holdings in provinces are considered "in Play" Characters are explicitly out of play. Page 9, Rules Reference "In Play and Out of Play".

First paragraph is confusing since they are saying"Face-up Province Cards" which is not "Face-up cards in provinces".

4 minutes ago, Mirith said:

First paragraph is confusing since they are saying"Face-up Province Cards" which is not "Face-up cards in provinces".

Bummer. You’re right, I totally read that wrong.