I have a question regarding KL Eddard's response that reads "Response: Cancel a triggered effect that chooses a noble character as the only target."

The question is, does the triggered effect have to use the word "choose" in its formulation? For example, Lannisport Brothel reads "Response: After a knelt character stands during the standing phase, kneel Lannisport Brothel to kneel that character" - the word "choose" does not appear in the Response text. So can Eddard's ability be triggered off something like this or not?

The second question is regarding the timing of responses. Say a Martell player loses an intrigue challenge and the opposing player plays Condemned by the Council and discards an influence producing location. The question is, can that location still be used to trigger a response like "Red Vengeance"? I think that is allowed since the response window is still open and the location has not left play yet. But... I've been wrong before

Zsa said:

The definitions in this game say that without the word "choose," there is no formal target. If no target is "chosen," the play restrictions of Eddard's ability requiring the choice of a Noble character as the only target of an effect are not met. So yes, Eddard can only cancel effects that use the word "choose" in their text.

Zsa said:

The second question is regarding the timing of responses. Say a Martell player loses an intrigue challenge and the opposing player plays Condemned by the Council and discards an influence producing location. The question is, can that location still be used to trigger a response like "Red Vengeance"? I think that is allowed since the response window is still open and the location has not left play yet. But... I've been wrong before

This has less to do with the timing of Responses and more to do with the rules for moribund cards. Any card that starts in play and is forced out of play can still do anything - except be removed from play again - "on the way out" before the action window closes. The "before the action window closes" stipulation limits this "on the way out" stuff to Responses, but there you go. An influence providing location that is discarded can still be used to pay for a legal Response "on the way out."

Your specific example doesn't work the way you describe, though. Red Vengeance is a "cancel" effect. It could never be played after Condemned By The Council - a standard Response - because the opportunity to cancel the framework events is over by the time standard Responses can be played.

Thanks for the response ktom, I understand what you mean regarding Red Vengeance, it was a bad example.

So most "Responses" which state "after you win X challenge" can only be implemented after claim is settled, renown awarded etc. However, since "Red Vengeance" is a response which changes the claim effect, it is executed before claim is settled.

If for example we were talking about Lannisport Rookery and Condemned by the Council, then in this case, if the first player plays Condemned, then the other player will not have a chance to trigger the Rookery response correct?

Zsa said:

To be very exact, the reason Red Vengeance comes before the claim effect resolves is not because it "changes" the claim effect, but rather because it cancels the (original) claim effect. Cancels always interrupt the initiation and resolution of whatever they cancel. Everything else has to wait until resolution is complete.

Zsa said:

Yes, this is true. But it is specifically true because Lannisport Rookery has to be discarded as part of paying its cost. Once the card is discarded for Condemned, it cannot be discarded again, even as an "on the way out" Response.

The usual example for "on the way out" is this: Say that a Lannister player loses a military challenge and chooses to kill a character that is standing in order to satisfy claim. When Responses come around, he decides to play "A Lannister Pay His Debts." He can actually kneel the (standing) character that was just killed for claim "on the way out" in order to pay for the event. In a similar fashion, if an opponent used Condemned by the Council to discard an influence providing location (that was standing) and you had a Response that needed you to kneel influence as a cost, you could kneel the location that was just discarded "on the way out" in order to pay for the Response.

One more thing after my opponent wins an I challenge against me and I use Red Vengeance can he still use the condamned by the council? I think he can because Red Vengeance just cancels the claim and the my opponent must fullfil the claim as if he had lost the challenge. It does not say that he has actualy lost the challenge. So I am still the loser therefore I can be condamned out...right?