So, tournament on Saturday. My take on Dash/Poe is coming along nicely but I’ve recieved word there is going to be a RAC w/Kylo, gunner, rebel captive attending backed up by Ryad in a stealthed x-7. I’ve lost against a similar list before, so I’m some what tempted to change up my list.

My current thoughts are:

• hope we don’t get paired
• get behind the Decimator and stay there to protect the doughnut hole.
• Ignore Ryad as I’ll never hit her anyway.

Any advice to add? Any helpful video batreps to watch?

Just hope you don't get matched. There's not much you can do to win that match-up, assuming the Rac-lo player is reasonably competent. You definitely need to kill Raclo first, though neither of your ships could kill Ryad in the endgame. Best hope is to trade Dash for Raclo, then beat Ryad on time as long as your Poe costs more. Dash would have a better chance to kill Ryad in the endgame, though he also risks getting knocked to half points and losing when time is called.

The only tip that I can think of is to use large debris. Dash does not care in the least about those, but a Decimator will be stuck doing a forward/bank 2 or forward 3 to clear the stress if it lands on those. This is usually enough to push a decimator into the wrong end of the fight, which plays into Dash's favor.

6 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

So, tournament on Saturday. My take on Dash/Poe is coming along nicely but I’ve recieved word there is going to be a RAC w/Kylo, gunner, rebel captive attending backed up by Ryad in a stealthed x-7. I’ve lost against a similar list before, so I’m some what tempted to change up my list.

My current thoughts are:

• hope we don’t get paired
• get behind the Decimator and stay there to protect the doughnut hole.
• Ignore Ryad as I’ll never hit her anyway.

Any advice to add? Any helpful video batreps to watch?

I think your first thought is the best chance you have. Kylo wrecks two ship lists.

Should you fail that, um...

• Hope your opponent lines up backwards or flies off the map - unlikely
• Block like you've never blocked before to prevent that Decimator getting an action - pro-tip, he's getting an action
• Your opponent gets a phone call and must scramble to work - possible?
• Your opponent's ride is going to leave without him unless he drops - probably not

If all that fails, I don't think you have a plan aside from trying to solo the list with a single ship of your opponent's choice. I'd probably try to score points on the Decimator unless Ryad presents herself with no tokens at close range...

Declare your bad match up OP and call for nerfs. After all if X-wing was a game of skill the list should not matter for good players.

I figured as much. The only other list I’m sufficiently practiced with is Rey/Poe which has her own problems. Bleh.

Bait with Poe. If your opponent goes after him, Dash can clean up. If not, Poe can do quite a lot of damage to RAC while Dash bears the brunt of their attacks.

Whilst Ryad will be hard to hit, the same is true of Poe.

I hear you can avoid the matchup if you have a potato and a mallet (and know where he parks) .

Or hack the pairing software.

Caution: The above may lead to the dark side or incarceration.

Try to trade Dash for the Deci. If you get down to Ryad vs Poe just Run and save the MOV.

MOV is everything.

Lock the door. - And hope they don't have blasters!

1 minute ago, madquest8 said:

Lock the door. - And hope they don't have blasters!

That isn't very reassuring.

Kylorac is a counter-meta list, and unfortunately you're the meta it's meant to counter.

Try to trade him dearly, however: Knocking out the decimator is a lot of points going your way, and if you can then keep half a dash or Poe alive... well, you might not win outright, but the scores are closer than you'd think.

Then just hope he doesn't make the top table.

It's more than winnable. Dash should be able to kite the decimator and kill it well before it kills him, and Poe with Autothrusters and Intensity shouldn't ever be hit by it. Ryad is predictable and dodgeable, and will lose to the HLC well before she kills Dash. As long as you can take one or the other, Poe should be able to clean up and win on points.

It's not an easy matchup by any stretch of the imagination but it's a LOT easier than HotShot Gunner would be, or than a wingman who out PSes Poe would be.

What about Kylo though? Dash can’t kill the Decimator that easily if he’s blinded for two turns. And in that time he focuses on Dash and there goes your opportunity. So how do you keep Dash from getting Kyloed?

Well, if it's not an Emperor Deci, you can attempt to stay at Range 3. Bring the largest rock and 2 debris fields. If the Deci doesn't bring Engine, you're pretty golden. If he -does- bring Engine, you're in trouble.

9 hours ago, Estarriol said:

I figured as much. The only other list I’m sufficiently practiced with is Rey/Poe which has her own problems. Bleh.

Determination Rey and laugh at Kylo.

Okay, I've used this strategy once before and it worked flawlessly.

First thing you do is start the game normally. Set up, shake hands, all that. Now, on your first roll, drop a die on the floor. Get up out of your chair, bend down, and in a seamless motion, as you stand up right, grab your chair by the legs. Swiftly raise it above your head, let out a primal scream and bring the chair down on the play mat.

At this point, your opponent is left with two options, fight or flee. If he flees, congrats, he has forefit the game and you won. If he stays, you still have the chair.

Do what must be done.

7 hours ago, Antilles01 said:

What about Kylo though? Dash can’t kill the Decimator that easily if he’s blinded for two turns. And in that time he focuses on Dash and there goes your opportunity. So how do you keep Dash from getting Kyloed?

You don't keep Dash from getting Kyloed, you just shrug it off. If you get your positioning right (ie. have range and/or obstruction and don't allow the wingman to gang up on you) then RAC should only just be sneaking Kylo through -- if he gets through at all. If you do that and don't take lots of damage during those turns you can just wait it out then catch up in the damage race afterwards.

Can't believe I forgot this one - sweep the leg

8 hours ago, Antilles01 said:

What about Kylo though? Dash can’t kill the Decimator that easily if he’s blinded for two turns. And in that time he focuses on Dash and there goes your opportunity. So how do you keep Dash from getting Kyloed?

Range 3 rock countermeasures lone wolf and Rey.

That looks winnable. Focus down the deci. Worst case, keep Poe alive and healthy and he can win on time versus ryad. What exactly is your current list anyway? Comm relay and autothristers range 3 on Poe would help deter rac shots... Dash can range control with the help of rocks and peck at the defender unless it's on the far side of rac at which point you can pounce on rac.

It's not easy but it can be beat with piloting. Rock placement will be key.

Definitely focus on the Decimator from range 3. It's going to be brutal but it is doable.

Ryad is a heck of an ask to kill - Agility 4, 6 hit points, and probably full tokens any turn you're shooting at her. But what she doesn't have compared to the Darth Vader you often see paired with Kylo is a reliable way to inflict critical hits. That means the Admiral is busy doing his own job of showing you the dark side.

If you're engaging him from Range 3, he's stuck with a lot of problems:

• He can boost into range 2 but then doesn't have an action to trigger Kylo Ren.
• If he is in range 2 and uses an action to trigger kylo ren, his ability is nice but it's not actually as good as an all-up focus token

Most importantly, if you can keep the fight at range 3 as much as possible, Dash should beat him pretty reliably. Attacking, you've got 4 dice to no evades, versus 3 dice to 3 evades, and Rey plus Lone Wolf plus your turret means rebel captive is not the worst thing to deal with.

I'd agree that trolling Poe Dameron in front of him as bait is probably the best plan.

The key to playing dash and a wingman is how to run away. If they attempt to focus on Dash, Dash runs, if they attempt to focus on Poe, Poe runs. Either ship is excellent at getting out to R3 and tanking up, so you make whoever's being focussed on as tanky as possible whilst the other one kills stuff.

18 hours ago, Estarriol said:

So, tournament on Saturday. My take on Dash/Poe is coming along nicely but I’ve recieved word there is going to be a RAC w/Kylo, gunner, rebel captive attending backed up by Ryad in a stealthed x-7. I’ve lost against a similar list before, so I’m some what tempted to change up my list.

My current thoughts are:

• hope we don’t get paired
• get behind the Decimator and stay there to protect the doughnut hole.
• Ignore Ryad as I’ll never hit her anyway.

Any advice to add? Any helpful video batreps to watch?

find a friend - play the matchup again and again. Deployment will matter a lot, ideally - you want to trade shots, 2 of your ships into one of his ships. You'll want to range control. Stressing the decimator could be useful with debris as mentioned above. There's no palpatine - HLC with mods should smash into Ryad. Your main issue is double blinded pilots, and a kill through shields on poe. You just need to avoid taking crits - which means range control approach. Dash has a big turret as well. You ought to be able to avoid a crit at range 3. Is there also a hot cop?

Ideally - you kill Ryad on the approach before she fires, and then you block Rac, and stay infront of him. That however is downright unlikely, but possible. if Rac is packing VI and Engine - which he ought to be, you'll have a hard time getting the range 3 2v1 fight. you might be able to force it with asteroid placement and openings. Dash can outrun Ryad, but Deci can keep up. If you want range 3, you might be able to get Rac to chase Dash.

If Rac targets dash early with IWSYTDS - then youre probably getting hit with blindeds early, dash can survive a bit better than poe, given the regen limit - so this means poe is getting shots. If Poe is getting blinded first, you're probably in bigger trouble. You could always try adjusting your list to run determination - and shut down kylo entirely on one ship.

Thing is - i haven't played that matchup - i've played as and against both lists - but not those two against eachother. If you want to learn to win a bad matchup - you need to practice it again and again until you can answer the questions of how to deploy - which target must be elminated first, and what circumstances let you do it. With 2 ships, not firing can remove your action efficiency ...