On 12/29/2017 at 7:28 AM, Dashdor said:How about Flight Assist Astromech and Stress?
If my ship is stressed already, then I move, meaning I won't be able to take a free action even if the trigger for FAA is true, can I still check for arc/range?
Technically yes you can check to see if it would trigger. However since you have a stress and can not preform ANY actions, then, you would not be able to Boost or Barrel Roll.
8 hours ago, SkullNBones said:Technically yes you can check to see if it would trigger. However since you have a stress and can not preform ANY actions, then, you would not be able to Boost or Barrel Roll.
Primed Thrusters on a T-70 defeats this as you can still boost or barrel roll provided you have less than 3 stress tokens.
In general using the technical ability to check and see if it would trigger (even if you can't do the actions granted by the Flight Assist Astromech) will provide you with valuable pre-combat phase information and passing it up because you know you cannot perform the action could be significant (especially if you have ships still to activate in the combat phase).
On 29/12/2017 at 4:34 PM, Innese said:With Flight Assist Astro, an arc is an arc. This means that for the Phantom II (And the ARC-170) that both arcs need to be clear of enemies, otherwise there is still an enemy in your arc, preventing the continued activation of FAA.
Well, played my game the other day wrong then. I thought it shut off the rear facing arc, really glad it doesn't.
I'm guessing that line in there is to annoy TLT Y Wing players (like me
) who hoped they had a replacement in Rebels for the R2 Astro. Really maneuverable TLT Y wings.
So reading through this forum leads me to a couple of questions...
1) Why can't a stressed Xwing use FAA? The card has four conditions...none of which are stress related.
2) Can a T-65 use FAA? It doesn't have boost or barrel roll actions.
Appreciate any insights, because I'm struggling with some of the logic I've seen. Most people agree that the T-65 can use FAA, even though it doesn't have a native ability to boost or barrel roll. Some however think that being stressed precludes doing that same non-native action.
I interpreted FAA as a free action that occurs in Step 2 of the Activation Phase (Execute Maneuver)...and per the FAQ:
Q: If a ship is required to skip its “Perform Action” step (for example, if its final position overlapped another ship), is it still allowed to perform free actions outside of the “Perform Action” step? A: Yes
...it can trigger, regardless of stress, if the four conditions of the card are satisfied.
Edited by AVelie36 minutes ago, AVelie said:So reading through this forum leads me to a couple of questions...
1) Why can't a stressed Xwing use FAA? The card has four conditions...none of which are stress related.
2) Can a T-65 use FAA? It doesn't have boost or barrel roll actions.
Appreciate any insights, because I'm struggling with some of the logic I've seen. Most people agree that the T-65 can use FAA, even though it doesn't have a native ability to boost or barrel roll. Some however think that being stressed precludes doing that same non-native action.
I interpreted FAA as a free action that occurs in Step 2 of the Activation Phase (Execute Maneuver)...and per the FAQ:
Q: If a ship is required to skip its “Perform Action” step (for example, if its final position overlapped another ship), is it still allowed to perform free actions outside of the “Perform Action” step? A: Yes
...it can trigger, regardless of stress, if the four conditions of the card are satisfied.
1. Stressed ships, unless permitted by a pilot ability or something similar, can't perform any actions, including free actions.
2. Yes. The ship doesn't need to have the actions listed on its action bar to use the free actions granted by an upgrade such as FAA
26 minutes ago, Innese said:1. Stressed ships, unless permitted by a pilot ability or something similar, can't perform any actions, including free actions.
2. Yes. The ship doesn't need to have the actions listed on its action bar to use the free actions granted by an upgrade such as FAA
Regarding #1, why wouldn't the four conditions of the FAA card constitute "a pilot ability or something similar"? Because the card does not specifically address stressed situations?
So from a timing perspective...my ship starts the activation without a stress. It then performs a red maneuver. Can I check for FAA after the Move Ship step (2.a) and before the Check Pilot Stress step (2.b), since they are separate steps and the card specifies after a maneuver? I'm looking at the Activation Phase rule on pg 4 of the Rules Reference book.
Thanks.
5 minutes ago, AVelie said:Regarding #1, why wouldn't the four conditions of the FAA card constitute "a pilot ability or something similar"? Because the card does not specifically address stressed situations?
So from a timing perspective...my ship starts the activation without a stress. It then performs a red maneuver. Can I check for FAA after the Move Ship step (2.a) and before the Check Pilot Stress step (2.b), since they are separate steps and the card specifies after a maneuver? I'm looking at the Activation Phase rule on pg 4 of the Rules Reference book.
Thanks.
Its the fact that its a free action. Stress prevents any & all actions unless you are Tycho Celchu or have the Chopper Crew (There may be other ways but its late and my brain is fuzzy). An effect will literally specify that it allows you to perform an action while stressed.
Now, you can still -check- to see if FAA triggers after you execute a maneuver, you are just unable to take the free action it would then grant if you otherwise meet its conditions.
Edited by Innese3 minutes ago, Innese said:Its the fact that its a free action, stress prevents any & all actions unless you are Tycho Celchu or have the Chopper Crew (There may be other ways but its late and my brain is fuzzy). An effect will literally specify that it allows you to perform an action while stressed.
Now, you can still -check- to see if FAA triggers after you execute a maneuver, you are just unable to take the free action it would then grant if you otherwise meet its conditions.
I know I can check even if I can't take the free action...I get that.
I'm asking that if my interpretation of the 2.a and 2.b rules are correct, I'd be able to take the free boast at the end of 2.a. and then assign the stress token from the red maneuver in 2.b. Does that logic hold up?
3 minutes ago, AVelie said:I know I can check even if I can't take the free action...I get that.
I'm asking that if my interpretation of the 2.a and 2.b rules are correct, I'd be able to take the free boast at the end of 2.a. and then assign the stress token from the red maneuver in 2.b. Does that logic hold up?
The maneuver is not fully executed until all steps for executing a maneuver have been completed, which is after 2.c and before 3, which means that the trigger for FAA is after the stress from a red maneuver would be added to the ship.
Edited by Innese2 minutes ago, Innese said:The maneuver is not fully executed until all steps for executing a maneuver have been completed, which is after 2.c and 3, which means that the trigger for FAA is after the stress from a red maneuver would be added to the ship.
Not as useful as I thought. Thanks for the clarification.
2 hours ago, AVelie said:Q: If a ship is required to skip its “Perform Action” step (for example, if its final position overlapped another ship), is it still allowed to perform free actions outside of the “Perform Action” step? A: Yes
...it can trigger, regardless of stress, if the four conditions of the card are satisfied.
Note that stress does not make you skip your perform action step. It just makes you unable to actualy perform any action in that step.
The FAQ entry you quoted referes to things that specificaly makes you "skip your perform action step". See the wording in the rules regarding overlapping an asteroid or an other ship for examples. Compare that to the wording on stress.
Cards have to provide specific exceptions to general rules, to provide any exception at all.
FAA provides a point at which you can check range and arc and do a free action if you meet the conditions, but says nothing about ignoring stress, so you don't ignore stress. And stress stops you taking any actions, free or otherwise.
7 hours ago, AVelie said:Not as useful as I thought. Thanks for the clarification.
FAA is a really usefull card on High PS ship. It let you reposition to make sure you have someone in arc. I used it on Wedge PS11 and it made it sure I nearly always had some to shoot at... something that is not true of most X-Wing...
Sure FAA can't be used to reposition yourself after a red maneuver... it is a 1 cost upgrade...
1 hour ago, muribundi said:FAA is a really usefull card on High PS ship. It let you reposition to make sure you have someone in arc. I used it on Wedge PS11 and it made it sure I nearly always had some to shoot at... something that is not true of most X-Wing...
Sure FAA can't be used to reposition yourself after a red maneuver... it is a 1 cost upgrade...
So you understand my excitement...
