It's take your action...then see if you have a stress token right?

It lets you perform a red maneuver and then take an action before you receive the stress token from the red maneuver.

42 minutes ago, Velvetelvis said:

It's take your action...then see if you have a stress token right?

I think you have it right.

You execute your maneuver, skipping the Check Stress step.

You go through your Perform Action step.

You then go through the Check Stress step.

This allows you to perform an action after executing a red maneuver, or clear a stress from an upgrade such as Push the Limit after performing a green maneuver.

FFG really ought to do a comprehensive order for how things resolve when executing maneuvers. They have that lovely flow chart for attacking, I'm sure they could get a pretty one together for the whole of a ship's activation in the activation phase.

46 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

FFG really ought to do a comprehensive order for how things resolve when executing maneuvers. They have that lovely flow chart for attacking, I'm sure they could get a pretty one together for the whole of a ship's activation in the activation phase.

There's no way that can happen and be on a single page. There's too many exceptions.

4 hours ago, Velvetelvis said:

It's take your action...then see if you have a stress token right?

Not quite. "See if you have a stress token" isn't a thing. I mention that because a lot of people have confused what the check pilot stress step actually does. It doesn't check whether you have stress; it adds or removes a stress depending on what manoeuvre you did.

FAQ 4.40(Nov 2017) p.20

1 hour ago, InquisitorM said:

Not quite. "See if you have a stress token" isn't a thing. I mention that because a lot of people have confused what the check pilot stress step actually does. It doesn't check whether you have stress; it adds or removes a stress depending on what manoeuvre you did.

"Check pilot stress' really is a misnomer. It should be called 'update pilot stress based on manoeuvre colour'.

I'm going with.

.. already have a stress token,do a white or red maneuver...no action.

..no stress...then do a red maneuver or go over a debris....then yes take an action.

Well you can't do a red when you have stress, so almost right. And in general you can't perform actions whilst stressed, PA does nothing to change that.

The other trick with Pattern Analyser is that if you dial a GREEN move, you can use Push the Limit or Experimental Interface and then clear the stress after your Perform Action step with PA.

10 hours ago, Stoneface said:

There's no way that can happen and be on a single page. There's too many exceptions.

Possibly true. I'd love to see them try, however.

Likewise, the process of compiling a chart might clean a lot of things up. I know Proximity Mines deal damage before R2-D2 would regen a shield, which happens before an Astroid would deal damage, and I'm not sure where Anti-Pursuit Lasers fit into the picture. Similar to how a lot of things were cleaned up (FCS and Concussion Missiles/TLT; the order of Whisper, ACD, and Dengar) in the attack flow chart, an Activation flow chart might clarify a lot of rules. It might change some things, but if the result was a standard order that'd be a net benefit.

*double-post*

14 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Possibly true. I'd love to see them try, however.

Likewise, the process of compiling a chart might clean a lot of things up. I know Proximity Mines deal damage before R2-D2 would regen a shield, which happens before an Astroid would deal damage, and I'm not sure where Anti-Pursuit Lasers fit into the picture. Similar to how a lot of things were cleaned up (FCS and Concussion Missiles/TLT; the order of Whisper, ACD, and Dengar) in the attack flow chart, an Activation flow chart might clarify a lot of rules. It might change some things, but if the result was a standard order that'd be a net benefit.

Proximity Mines: When a ship executes a maneuver...

R2-D2: After executing a green maneuver...

Asteroid: After skipping the "Perform Action" step...

All of those are actually pretty well defined, most people just don't remember the exact timing because in a typical game the timing differences are negligible. For example, the damage from an asteroid is after the perform action step, but since people don't take an action in that case it plays almost the same as if it were after executing a maneuver.

As to Anti-Pursuit Lasers, it says "After an enemy ship executes a maneuver ..." which would give it the same timing as R2-D2 and come down to initiative.

If you have a stress from a previous maneuver (say, 2 turns ago), can you still perform your action with P. Analyzer.

If you have a stress from a previous maneuver (say, 2 turns ago), can you still perform your action with P. Analyzer.

9 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

If you have a stress from a previous maneuver (say, 2 turns ago), can you still perform your action with P. Analyzer.

If you have a stress, you cannot perform actions.

Just now, InquisitorM said:

If you have a stress, you cannot perform actions.

No duh, but with Pattern Analyzer?

Just now, Celestial Lizards said:

No duh, but with Pattern Analyzer?

I just answered your question: if you have a stress, you cannot perform actions.

In your example you have a stress, therefore you cannot perform actions.

Just now, Celestial Lizards said:

No duh, but with Pattern Analyzer?

The question was answered. PA does not change stress blocking actions. It changes when you gain or lose stress from moves and when debris and 'after executing a manouvre' triggers happen. NO more, no less.

To clarify my question:

-I perform a red maneuver and gain a stress. I can still perform my action because of the timing switch of P. Analyzer.

-The next turn, I perform a white maneuver. I still have the stress from the last turn. Can I still use P.A. to switch the steps and perform my action?

3 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

To clarify my question:

-I perform a red maneuver and gain a stress. I can still perform my action because of the timing switch of P. Analyzer.

-The next turn, I perform a white maneuver. I still have the stress from the last turn. Can I still use P.A. to switch the steps and perform my action?

Next turn, nope. You're still stressed.

1 minute ago, Celestial Lizards said:

To clarify my question:

-I perform a red maneuver and gain a stress. I can still perform my action because of the timing switch of P. Analyzer.

-The next turn, I perform a white maneuver. I still have the stress from the last turn. Can I still use P.A. to switch the steps and perform my action?

On the next turn you can use Pattern Analyzer to switch the steps, but you still won't be able to perform an action because you're stressed.

9 hours ago, InquisitorM said:

Not quite. "See if you have a stress token" isn't a thing. I mention that because a lot of people have confused what the check pilot stress step actually does. It doesn't check whether you have stress; it adds or removes a stress depending on what manoeuvre you did.

This.

7 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

"Check pilot stress' really is a misnomer. It should be called 'update pilot stress based on manoeuvre colour'.

And this a million times.

5 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

To clarify my question:

-I perform a red maneuver and gain a stress. I can still perform my action because of the timing switch of P. Analyzer.

-The next turn, I perform a white maneuver. I still have the stress from the last turn. Can I still use P.A. to switch the steps and perform my action?

Why would you be able to? Nothing has changed about your stressed status.

4 hours ago, Celestial Lizards said:

To clarify my question:

-I perform a red maneuver and gain a stress. I can still perform my action because of the timing switch of P. Analyzer.

-The next turn, I perform a white maneuver. I still have the stress from the last turn. Can I still use P.A. to switch the steps and perform my action?

You perform a maneuver, do not consider the color of the maneuver, execute your "perform action" step, then look at the color of the maneuver and gain/lose stress. You do not have a stress when you take your action. (Unless you had one before the maneuver)

4 hours ago, nitrobenz said:

You perform a maneuver, do not even think about stress, take your action, then look at the color of the maneuver and think about stress. You do not have a stress when you take your action.

No no no, to the bolded part. Not at all correct. As has been stated many times already, all Pattern Analyzer does is move when you gain/remove stress due to manuever difficulty to after the Perform Action step. If you start the round stressed, Pattern Analyzer does nothing for you. It does not grant you Tycho's Ability. Check Pilot Stress is poorly named and doesn't do what it sounds like it does, all it does it check your maneuver's color and gives/removes/leaves alone a stress token as appropriate. So in Celestial Lion's two examples

- In the first one, you get to make an action before the check pilot stress step gives you a stress token for your red manuever

- In the second, you're already stressed, so you don't get to take an action whether you use Pattern Analyzer or not. If you were to make a green maneuver instead while already stressed, you would have to specifically not use Pattern Analyzer that turn, or you'd get to the Perform Action step before Check Pilot Stress removed your stress for making a green.