Hi All,

Has anyone tried replacing Biggs with Jess Pava and DTF, while still including Lowhhrick with Selflessness?

In what list? When flown right people don't want to shoot at Jess and they don't have to, so she's kind of the opposite of Biggs.

Was just a thought to keep Miranda alive in the below list:

Miranda, Auto Blaster, Harpoons, Rey, EM, LRS, Bomblet

Lowhhrick, Selflessness, Wookie Commandos

Jess, Integrated, EPT Droid, DTF

Probably not the most competitive, but the list has teeth.

10 minutes ago, Tupacca said:

Hi All,

Has anyone tried replacing Biggs with Jess Pava and DTF, while still including Lowhhrick with Selflessness?

I was running Jess/Low/Miranda and posed a question about that a while back . I shelved the list even before GenCon, though, having gone something like 10-0 and winning a kit tourney with it. Harpoon missiles would be a pain in the *** for any like that, though. Also, my list from back then was tweaked to counter Atanni lists, so I'd consider some tweaks nowadays.

I also meant using Jess as a means of protecting Miranda by drawing away crits - Biggs worked by forcing opponents to target him. I realize they are different, just thought Jess could be a useful addition.

1 minute ago, gennataos said:

I was running Jess/Low/Miranda and posed a question about that a while back . I shelved the list even before GenCon, though, having gone something like 10-0 and winning a kit tourney with it. Harpoon missiles would be a pain in the *** for any like that, though. Also, my list from back then was tweaked to counter Atanni lists, so I'd consider some tweaks nowadays.

Interesting, I have several iterations of my list above. One uses A stresshog to act as a "Biggs"

Miranda, TLT, Bomblet, Harpoon, Rey, LRS

Lowhhrick, Commandos

Gold Sq Pilot, TLT, BTL, R3A2

1 minute ago, Tupacca said:

Interesting, I have several iterations of my list above. One uses A stresshog to act as a "Biggs"

Miranda, TLT, Bomblet, Harpoon, Rey, LRS

Lowhhrick, Commandos

Gold Sq Pilot, TLT, BTL, R3A2

I think the Jess one is better... A lot of people will target the stresshog, but a few of us will go for Miranda first and that spells trouble for your list.

10 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

I think the Jess one is better... A lot of people will target the stresshog, but a few of us will go for Miranda first and that spells trouble for your list.

Yeah, that's what @catachanninja went through when he built his list. He's a stresshog lover and found if people just shot at Miranda instead, they'd could kill her. With Jess in the list, Low will likely become the primary target, which isn't terrible. If they do shoot at Jess (or Miranda?!), then I think you had them beat before they put ships on the table.

But, like I said, harpoons. Those make Low and Jess and their EPTs inherently dangerous to use. Harpoons are going to be everywhere. I don't know if I would unearth my list nowadays. I've seen a reinforced wookie die on the opening exchange from harpoons...it ain't pretty after that.

1 minute ago, gennataos said:

Yeah, that's what @catachanninja went through when he built his list. He's a stresshog lover and found if people just shot at Miranda instead, they'd could kill her. With Jess in the list, Low will likely become the primary target, which isn't terrible. If they do shot at Jess (or Miranda?!), then I think you had them beat before they put ships on the table.

But, like I said, harpoons. Those make Low and Jess and their EPTs inherently dangerous to use. Harpoons are going to be everywhere. I don't know if I would unearth my list nowadays. I've seen a reinforced wookie die on the opening exchange from harpoons...it ain't pretty after that.

I've got my own anecdotal evidence that people have an unhealthy tendency to incorrectly prioritize the stresshog. I flew a cheaper variant with dorsal turret, often simply to act as 'Biggs' in my list. It was effective in that roll. That said, I don't build lists near as well as @catachanninja so I tended to fail anyway.

Yeah, Harpoons... They are a bugger. I think we may see more 'creative' approach vectors as people try to balance the threat they pose to close formations. I kinda like that, as it does encourage more of a 'furball' element to the battle instead of lines of ships exchanging blows... but they are just so danged accurate we'll see that random element fail as one side comes in a group and eliminates a single fighter at a time... I hate'em, but I love'em. Interesting times...

With selflessness yes (dtf on low) and Norra

Honestly, I like it better because Jess is far superior to Biggs even if you gotta keep everyone in range one of each other (as opposed to just range 1 of Biggs)

Even jousted triple harpoon SCURRG to victory. Just took it on the chin, focused fire, and Norra guaranteed the late game

I selflessness Jess because I'd rather have Low in the lategame (more durable and doesn't need formation flying)

3 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

With selflessness yes (dtf on low) and Norra

Honestly, I like it better because Jess is far superior to Biggs even if you gotta keep everyone in range one of each other (as opposed to just range 1 of Biggs)

Even jousted triple harpoon SCURRG to victory. Just took it on the chin, focused fire, and Norra guaranteed the late game

Hmm...yeah, probably a good point to flip DtF and Selflessness on the two. I'd gone back and forth on it, but liked DtF on Jess so she could toss the mech to avoid a crit. Since I'd now likely dump Tactician on Low for Breach Specialist, DtF can actually be pretty sweet on him.

****. You're inspiring me to pull them back out. They were undefeated for me, hard to argue with that.

Been using Rey on low because Norra and Jess hit decently hard so it's nice to reinforce (heh) that with a half decent attack

Norra is ptl c3po r2d2 and vectored. Since everything seems to be predominantly low agility, you don't need tailgunner as much

Leaving a point free because **** dash

13 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Been using Rey on low because Norra and Jess hit decently hard so it's nice to reinforce (heh) that with a half decent attack

Norra is ptl c3po r2d2 and vectored. Since everything seems to be predominantly low agility, you don't need tailgunner as much

Leaving a point free because **** dash

Sounds about right! Norra was my first consideration when building the list . I ended up landing on Miranda, but I know you're an ARC-170 lover, so this is no surprise.

This will probably be my version going forward. I contemplated Recon Spec on Miranda, but figured the entire point is to get her to the end game, so might as well make that easier. I'll probably miss Sabine some...will have to see how much.

Lowhhrick (28)
Draw Their Fire (1)
Breach Specialist (1)
Rey (2)

Jess Pava (25)
R2-D6 (1)
Selflessness (1)
Integrated Astromech (0)

Miranda Doni (29)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
C-3PO (3)
Bomblet Generator (3)
Long-Range Scanners (0)

Total: 100

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Mirandas always better,

But also boring

I won a Store Champ with this going undefeated and only losing an avg of 20 points a game. I think M9 though is much more important to help Braylen miss on his first shot to double stress ships and then make your opponents remaining ship miss more often once Braylen dies (if he dies). Rex effectively became Biggs for me.

http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=3107

How much better is Biggs with FAA though?

6 minutes ago, Boba Rick said:

How much better is Biggs with FAA though?

Given how he jousts, he's probably far worse off than with r4d6

6 hours ago, Tupacca said:

Hi All,

Has anyone tried replacing Biggs with Jess Pava and DTF, while still including Lowhhrick with Selflessness?

I've used a list just like that to good effect. I find what you lose in defense, Jess more than makes up for offensively. Its still quite good at moving damage around. I find Sensor Cluster actually comes in handy on Jess, as stress isn't a huge issue for her in formation, I prefer that over pattern analyser. I don't run any missiles on Miranda due to Jess' point cost though.

Miranda Doni - Twin Laser Turret, Bomblet Generator, Sabine Wren

Lowhhrick - Selflessness, Wookiee Commandos

Jess Pava - R2-D6, Draw Their Fire, Integrated Astromech, Sensor Cluster

99/100pts

One of my local players has, with some success, but it's nowhere near as good as Old!Biggs in terms of keeping the whole list alive, and may not even be as good as New!Biggs.

I've been messing with different tweaks on the list since the faq, it wasn't until a few days ago that I was really thinking about the game again and not hating it. I tested a few pava versions as my first go to. The version i liked best was dtf pava and cutting harpoon down to plasma on miranda. I might end up running that in the hyperspace qualifier this weekend

Why replace Biggs? He's still good. Throw R2-D6, IA and selflessness on him and he's basically the same as before, except 1 point more.