Shmi's sister had Kid A (Anakins' cousin). Kid A has child, Kid B (Luke's cousin). Kid B has miracle Force Baby, (Rey).

It made some sense in my head at the time...

I'm of the opinion that Rey has nothing to do with any of the old movies. I'm going to try and explain my theory from a film making perspective, rather than from my personal star wars lore fiend perspective.

My theory is Kylo and Rey are Yin and Yang. Dave Filoni has been alluding to the force being more complicated than light vs dark (the Force Twins, Force Priestesses, The Bendu, etc) and it is more along the lines of an inner balance and harmony between light and dark. I think Disney are going to continue with this idea. I believe this episode will be back stories on both Rey and Kylo and their journey to confront who they believe are their adversaries (Rey vs Kylo) only to realise they must fight together to overcome the ancient evil that is Snoke.

Rey is your standard Disney princess, come from nothing but destined for greatness. Kylo on the otherhand, (as much as a lot of people will hate this) is for the older generation. He is supposed to be 'Anakin done right' and hence the old ties and Skywalker lineage. I think this movie will be a story of self-discovery for both characters; Rey finding out who she is, and 'her place in the galaxy', and Ben stepping out of his grandfather's shadow and becoming his true self.

I believe they are going to use Luke's character to bring them together, and that's why he's shown on both the light side and the dark side of the promo poster.

Disney need to make a new generation in order to keep the franchise going, and it makes sense that having Rey be a new character, and Kylo breaking away from the skywalkers would facilitate that.

You're all wrong - she's actually an Ewok with alopecia.

A direct descendant of none other than the greatest hero of the rebellion - Wicket!

After seeing all of the Last Jedi trailers to date I think Rey is wholly unconnected to the Skywalker lineage. Especially in Luke's shocked reaction to her level of power. So far she has been shown to be even more powerful than Anakin was in Episode I and II. We have evidence from the Force Awakens novelization that Kylo recognizes her (saying "It IS you!" during their battle, a line that did not make it into the movie).

I think she's either some kind of reincarnation of the 'chosen one' (and we will get more backstory about that prophecy from Luke's research into the first Jedi temples), or she is a First Order cloning experiment gone wrong and dumped on Jakku. These would both also line up with Snoke's demand that she 'fulfill her destiny'.

I'm actually more interested in Snoke himself. I really want him to be Darth Plagueis, but after reading some of the new EU I doubt that will be the case. We also have JJ Abrams on record as saying that there are no Sith in TFA (though he may just be covering for a big reveal). The EU so far has hinted at Snoke being connected to something far older, ancient and more elementally dark than the Sith order. Something that the emperor sensed out there at the edge of the galaxy but never confronted.

Maybe Disney will go for an absolutely epic crossover and reveal that Rey's father is Captain James T. Kirk.

Just now, JJ48 said:

Maybe Disney will go for an absolutely epic crossover and reveal that Rey's father is Captain James T. Kirk.

Star Wars is “a long time ago”, so it should be someone who was alive at least 500 years ago, and it’s “in a galaxy far, far, away”, so you’d need a magical energy portal to get there. My money is on Odin. Being literally a god and having Thor and Loki as siblings might explain Rey’s amount of innate power.

33 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

We have evidence from the Force Awakens novelization that Kylo recognizes her (saying "It IS you!" during their battle, a line that did not make it into the movie).

I'm actually more interested in Snoke himself. I really want him to be Darth Plagueis, but after reading some of the new EU I doubt that will be the case. We also have JJ Abrams on record as saying that there are no Sith in TFA (though he may just be covering for a big reveal). The EU so far has hinted at Snoke being connected to something far older, ancient and more elementally dark than the Sith order. Something that the emperor sensed out there at the edge of the galaxy but never confronted.

I would personally like Rey to be an orphan padawan from Luke's academy. Kylo and the Knights of Ren came and destroyed it all and before Kylo goes to attack Luke, tiny child Rey uses some latent primal dark side power and stops him. Luke then drops her on Jakku as it is a light side nexus and he hopes the planet's force alignment will keep her safe from the darkness inside her. He then runs off to find the First Jedi Temple and finds the Journal of the Whills, learning of Snoke's identity and going into hiding hoping that Snoke's relentless hunt to find 'The last Jedi' will prevent him from finding Rey and realising her 'raw untamed power'.

The timeline might be a little off for that all to happen, but I think it would be cool. I also do genuinely believe Snoke is tied to the Whills somehow. Maybe he is a Whill, or the Whills imprisoned him in the unknown regions etc?

Of course she is connected, but not in a meaningful way. I am sure the next three movies will let us know all about where she came from.

28 minutes ago, BVRCH said:

I would personally like Rey to be an orphan padawan from Luke's academy. Kylo and the Knights of Ren came and destroyed it all and before Kylo goes to attack Luke, tiny child Rey uses some latent primal dark side power and stops him. Luke then drops her on Jakku as it is a light side nexus and he hopes the planet's force alignment will keep her safe from the darkness inside her. He then runs off to find the First Jedi Temple and finds the Journal of the Whills, learning of Snoke's identity and going into hiding hoping that Snoke's relentless hunt to find 'The last Jedi' will prevent him from finding Rey and realising her 'raw untamed power'.

The timeline might be a little off for that all to happen, but I think it would be cool. I also do genuinely believe Snoke is tied to the Whills somehow. Maybe he is a Whill, or the Whills imprisoned him in the unknown regions etc?

This was definitely where my mind went at first for Rey, but the destruction of Luke's Academy happened between the book Bloodline (which was 28 ABY) and TFA (which is 34 ABY). With at most 6 years between events, it really doesn't fit with what we know about Rey's origins, even just going by the movie.

I'm definitely on board with more with the Whills.

After finishing the Aftermath novels and Luke's line about raw power in the trailer. I think Rey could Palpatine reborn.

1 hour ago, SabineKey said:

This was definitely where my mind went at first for Rey, but the destruction of Luke's Academy happened between the book Bloodline (which was 28 ABY) and TFA (which is 34 ABY). With at most 6 years between events, it really doesn't fit with what we know about Rey's origins, even just going by the movie.

I'm definitely on board with more with the Whills.

Yeah like I said I just think it would be cool. For it to work she needed to be more like 12/13 when dropped on Jakku, and she looks waaay younger than that in the movie.

The more logical storyline is she's just nobody, and that's what I actually believe will be the case. A starkiller type dark side native Rey theory is just my personal desires and ramblings ?

I do think Luke recognises her on the cliff, not her face, but her presence. He has felt her through the force like snoke has. I also think that's what Kylo meant when he said "it is you!", He was recognising the 'awakening' he had felt in the force.

I like the idea of Snoke being a rogue Whill that the rest had trapped and imprisoned. His dark call is what Palpatine had heard, and he (snoke) needs a strong force user to break his chains. Hence training Kylo (if he's a Whill he'd know the Skywalkers lineage), and also why he hasn't left the unknown regions, because he physically can't.

44 minutes ago, AlphaTwo said:

After finishing the Aftermath novels and Luke's line about raw power in the trailer. I think Rey could Palpatine reborn.

I rather like the idea that she is a palpatine rather than a skywalker (albeit a grandchild given the timeline).

• It would be a 'what the [censored]' shock to people in and out of universe.
• Given that the First Order is essentially built on people who grew up idolising vader and the emperor....interesting conflict.
• It makes sense that whilst they may not know about her to begin with, they fixate on her pretty fast when they do find out.
• "I've only seen this power once before" from Luke to me makes me think The Emperor, not Kylo.

It also makes me wonder about a possible plotline:

• The comment that there are no sith in TFA:
  • Snoke wasn't a sith. The Emperor and Vader were the sith.
  • Yes, the suggestion that he's super-evil-ancient-vampire-even-more-than-the-emperor-+1 is an option, but seems a bit....I dunno...of an easy option?
  • That should also imply (if he's of comparable age) that he's not that strong (because either the emperor would have replaced vader with him or killed him).
    • Pretty much you're restricted to inquisitor or imperial advisor.
  • Making him strong enough with the force to be a credible threat? Add Palpatine.
  • The mention that the First Order was founded on the secreting-away of the Super Star Destroyer Eclipse (see the aftermath series) instantly makes me think Dark Empire-esque plots.
  • Possibly not 'palpatine clone' but for something similar but different - how about a Dark Side Force Ghost. We have actually seen such a thing - the Nightsister Ghosts in Rebels - and if any dark side user could pull that off, I'm pretty sure Darth Sidious could do so.
    • If palpatine saw himself (even as a ghost) directing the reborn empire then the Contingency (blow up everything, empire and rebel alike but sneak some resources off to the unknown regions first) makes a lot more sense. Palpatine was cruel and vindictive, but he was neither idealistic nor generally petty, and both trying to 'blow up everything' or to 'make a better empire for someone else to lead' seem to feel out of character.
    • Certainly the amount of effort assigned to the task (the sentinal droids, hiding a super star destroyer, the resources for operation cinder and the planet-buster trap on Jakku) mean that this was no minor afterthought but something the emperor put a lot of planning into it.
  • If anyone's read Children Of Dune or Fulgrim, think Baron Harkonnen or the Daemon - Snoke was just a mid-low level force user that's got Darth Sidious whispering in his ear and/or ultimately hijacking his body.
    • Palpatine wouldn't want scarred, battered, not especially strong with the force and above all old Snoke as a long-term host, though.
      • First Choice would be someone young, vigorous and strong in the force.
      • Bonus points as a massive 'screw you' to the familyresponsible for his death if said host could be a skywalker.
      • Obviously the lucky volunteer would not be told that was the destiny intended for them!
      • Even better than that, though, would be someone stronger still who was actually a blood descendant (who he might not even know existed)

I'm finding this thread more entertaining than the entire TFA movie.

Since the vast majority doesn't want anything to do with SW Battlefront 2, here's the canon campaign story's HUGE tip..

Rey is a Meeko.

12 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

• "I've only seen this power once before" from Luke to me makes me think The Emperor, not Kylo.

That is a cool idea!

23 hours ago, Kieransi said:

Star Wars is “a long time ago”, so it should be someone who was alive at least 500 years ago, and it’s “in a galaxy far, far, away”, so you’d need a magical energy portal to get there. My money is on Odin. Being literally a god and having Thor and Loki as siblings might explain Rey’s amount of innate power.

Did you even original Star Trek? They time travelled and dimension jumped in episode 2 of season 1. The enterprise has no trouble hopping in and out of the Star Wars universe.

2 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Did you even original Star Trek? They time travelled and dimension jumped in episode 2 of season 1. The enterprise has no trouble hopping in and out of the Star Wars universe.

Actually, original Star Trek is the only Star Trek I like! I was just thinking about how whenever they try to leave the galaxy, they run into a massive wall of energy, so I don't know how Star Trek could visit a galaxy far far away. Also, warp drives are more linear (not really wormhole-like) than hyperdrive, so it would take forever to use warp to get between galaxies. And I guess another thing is that dimension travel takes them to a separate dimension, but they stay in the same place (not really sure how that works honestly...).

I guess we'll just have to wait - the only way to really confirm that she's Kirk's daughter would be if Rey randomly solves every problem in the next movie by crawling through a narrow space and somehow inexplicably tearing her shirt.

8 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Did you even original Star Trek? They time travelled and dimension jumped in episode 2 of season 1. The enterprise has no trouble hopping in and out of the Star Wars universe.

Also, time doesn't flow at the same rate everywhere, so maybe "a long time ago" for the Star Wars galaxy coincides with our galaxy's future.

Yeah. Star Trek Warp Drives actually kinda suck in terms of galactic travel. It was going to take Voyager 70 years to get back to the edge of Federation space, a distance of only a small fraction of the Galaxy. Star Wars hyperdrives can get you across the galaxy in only a few days if you use the main hyperspace routes.

Even 40k Warp Drives kick Star Trek's butt in terms of speed across the galaxy.

1 minute ago, JJ48 said:

Also, time doesn't flow at the same rate everywhere, so maybe "a long time ago" for the Star Wars galaxy coincides with our galaxy's future.

Well obviously it happened in the past, how did George Lucas film it then?

1 minute ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Well obviously it happened in the past, how did George Lucas film it then?

Lucasfilm has a TARDIS, maybe?

On 11/16/2017 at 0:58 AM, AlphaTwo said:

After finishing the Aftermath novels and Luke's line about raw power in the trailer. I think Rey could Palpatine reborn.

Please no.

On 2017-11-14 at 5:51 PM, benbaxter said:

Okay, so according to the timelines I have seen Kylo was in his mid-twenties when he took out the Jedi academy. Rey looked like she was 5-7 years old when she was dropped off at Jakku. Doing that math she could easily have been his daughter from an illicit affair at the academy. This solves for most of the issues I have seen floating around.

1. She would be young enough to not recall everything about her childhood and to have blocked out a lot of the trauma.
2. Kylo recognizes her and her desire to kill him, which she does, because he killed her mom and all the people she knew. It may be in the back of her head, but it is there.
3. She is as powerful as he is (thus Luke's comment about being as strong as Kylo)
4. Luke's comments about his family being force sensitive would include her.
5. She has some basic training from growing up a bit at the academy
6. She was taken away from him after the academy incident and left on a desert (mirror of Luke being hidden from vader)
7. Leia recognizes her after a bit (she would probably only have met her a couple times as a child)
8. The light saber is attuned to her because she is a skywalker
9. It would explain why Kylo wants her to join him not fight him.
10. Luke sort of recognizes her when she lands with his lightsaber. It wasn't a "who the heck are you" look he gave, more of a "I didn't expect you to find me" look.

Toss some counter points to me and I will see if I can answer them.

TLDR: They aren't skirting around the "empire = the last jedi" poetic rhyme. They are embracing it completely. "Rey, I am your father."

I dont think Luke is talking about Kylo when he says he has seen that kind of power before in the trailer. IMO Rey is much more powerful than Kylo:

- In FA Rey just realized she is force sensitive and never had any training. She can mind control after only 1 trial. She's able to beat Kylo even if he is much more advanced in his training than her. Yes he was hurt but i dont believe thats the reason why he lost.

- In the trailer it looks like Snoke is trying to turn Rey. Since there can be only 2, that meanse he wants her to replace Kylo. Why would he do that if she is not more powerful than Kylo?

- IMO Luke is talking about either Snoke or Vader. My money would be on him referring to his first fight with Vader in Empire Strikes Back.

- We still dont know how Snoke first made contact with Kylo. It could also be that Snoke infiltrated his Jedi academy and turned Kylo behind his back. He knew Snoke was powerful but wasnt scared about it. Maybe when he found out he was a Sith he had a fight with him and left him in the scarred state he now is. Would also explain why Snoke wants to find him in FA.

Also Luke's final look in FA looks more like compassion than "i know you". I believe he might have been aware of all that happened and was able to feel her distress. Would make sense if he was the one who woke up R2 so he could reveal the map.

I think Rey's parents wont be something as evident as Kylo or Luke. Well find out in a little less than a month :-)

Anakin didn't need a father.

Since the new movies are all about re-doing the old ones, and 1-upping them by making everything BIGGER, perhaps Rey doesn't have parents at all. She just popped into existence because the Force, a.k.a. corporate boardroom at Disney, thought that the galaxy was in need of more feminism and less personality. Same for Finn.