So "playing Dengar" has become a running joke in our local gaming group (implying you are bringing a non-competitive list). We can all agree that he's overcosted and would need a fix to make the competitive tables. But I have to admit that having Jabba (or Gideon/Threepio) and a e-Clawdite can really help his popularity.

Jabba can give Dengar the focus, and Senator E. Clawdite can give him 2 power tokens, plus damage and a surge. I found that on his first attack, Dengar really only needed the focus to make an effective strike. However, having those power tokens for his next attack made him a real threat as now he would have had back-to-back dangerous attacks. The only major risk is his lack of good accuracy.

In saying that, I hope that they bring a "bounty hunter" fix in the next mercenary set. Maybe Zuckass and 4-LOM? They could include a fix card for Boba Fett and Dengar while they're at it.

I would suggest the following for Dengar:

1) -2 points

2) +2 Health

3) Allow him to add in a blue die somehow as it will fix his accuracy issue and potentially allow him to put through more damage.

The point of my post is play Dengar or other janky figures!

1+ I love Dengar, the character. I would love if he actually got table time!

I'm inspired! Who would be his running mate in 2020?

10 minutes ago, TheWelcomeMat88 said:

I'm inspired! Who would be his running mate in 2020?

Dengar/Saska?

5 minutes ago, ManateeX said:

Dengar/Saska?

I was actually thinking of that lol. Saska can bring him in to Rebels, which would be crazy as Rebels already have the easiest access to Stun of the 3 factions.

32 minutes ago, TheWelcomeMat88 said:

I was actually thinking of that lol. Saska can bring him in to Rebels, which would be crazy as Rebels already have the easiest access to Stun of the 3 factions.

So this gave me an idea for a modification of my Rebel Smuggler/Spy list.

[2] C-3P0
[15] Chewbacca
[7] Dengar
[7] Rebel Saboteur [Elite]
[7] Rebel Saboteur [Elite]
[6] Saska Teft
[-4] Wookiee Avenger

C-3PO focus's up Dengar. Could stun some one, sabs could then be free to use their surges for Blast 2. Meanwhile if they go after Chewie, Dengar is roaming around being a pain. Saska and Sabeteours could run off and get objectives, C3PO stays near dengar to beef his defenses up, and become his focus buddy. Doubt it will win many games, but could be really annoying.

Funny, I was just reworking Dengar in my skirmish fix document tonight:

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Unique Skirmish Attachment Card: Grim Reaper (Dengar only) Cost: 0

+1 DMG, +1 Accuracy, Blast 1 DMG. Health +2.

=> Torment: Perform two attacks. Each attack must target a different figure.

Unending Misery: When you declare an attack on a hostile figure with at least one Harmful or Beneficial condition, that target suffers 1 STRAIN.

Bring The Pain: While attacking, you may reroll all attack dice.

With the static +1 DMG and +1 Accuracy, this Dengar can reliably hit targets 4 spaces away. He also has a 41% chance vs black die & 47% chance vs white die to do at least 4 DMG without factoring in the extra surge from Contempt. Being able to count on doing 3 DMG twice per activation on two different targets is especially helpful if Dengar has Hunter cards to use. I think giving Dengar any more Accuracy would swing him into the "too powerful" camp, since Dengar could debuff comfortably from distance.

I didn't want to add another die to his attack pool because I think Dengar's primary role is to be a debuffing machine... and I was afraid even adding a blue die might add one too many surges to Dengar's dice pool to allow him to dump all 3 Harmful conditions on a figure. Possibly two figures using Torment. I guess if I got rid of Torment, I would add a red die to Dengar's attack pool; but the idea of Dengar giving Harmful conditions to two figures per activation is too good for me to toss.

Adding the reroll ability should mitigate for the few times Dengar needed more DMG and less "SURGE SNAKEYES" results.

17 hours ago, kingargyle said:

So this gave me an idea for a modification of my Rebel Smuggler/Spy list.

[2] C-3P0
[15] Chewbacca
[7] Dengar
[7] Rebel Saboteur [Elite]
[7] Rebel Saboteur [Elite]
[6] Saska Teft
[-4] Wookiee Avenger

C-3PO focus's up Dengar. Could stun some one, sabs could then be free to use their surges for Blast 2. Meanwhile if they go after Chewie, Dengar is roaming around being a pain. Saska and Sabeteours could run off and get objectives, C3PO stays near dengar to beef his defenses up, and become his focus buddy. Doubt it will win many games, but could be really annoying.

that's pretty awesome actually. And yes I think if you make him a viable threat, he can take pressure off of other key figures, or vice versa.

18 hours ago, TheWelcomeMat88 said:

I'm inspired! Who would be his running mate in 2020?

I was thinking Greedo because he would make the outer rim great again and also GIA.

I think Dengar is becomming far more relevant with the amount of higher cost unique figures. His stats still suck, but at least he can shoot at figures where debuffing makes sense as opposed to shooting troopers that are better to just kill outright. What he should have imo, is a lot of pierce, like 3-4 pierce maybe auto, maybe for a surge or something else and then the debuff. Point is, he shouldn't do a lot of damage - just a few in order to hit in the debuffing. With his 7 health, he should be costed around 4 like Greedo and Hera.

1 hour ago, aermet69 said:

I think Dengar is becomming far more relevant with the amount of higher cost unique figures. His stats still suck, but at least he can shoot at figures where debuffing makes sense as opposed to shooting troopers that are better to just kill outright. What he should have imo, is a lot of pierce, like 3-4 pierce maybe auto, maybe for a surge or something else and then the debuff. Point is, he shouldn't do a lot of damage - just a few in order to hit in the debuffing. With his 7 health, he should be costed around 4 like Greedo and Hera.

I agree. I'm feeling like this new wave will have players lean AWAY from 3-figure deployment groups and to more uniques. This makes unique figures like Dengar a little more viable. I would also agree that a simple fix like dropping him 3 pts (to the level of Greedo and Hera) could be really all he needs.

1 hour ago, aermet69 said:

I think Dengar is becomming far more relevant with the amount of higher cost unique figures. His stats still suck, but at least he can shoot at figures where debuffing makes sense as opposed to shooting troopers that are better to just kill outright. What he should have imo, is a lot of pierce, like 3-4 pierce maybe auto, maybe for a surge or something else and then the debuff. Point is, he shouldn't do a lot of damage - just a few in order to hit in the debuffing. With his 7 health, he should be costed around 4 like Greedo and Hera.

Because his stats suck or his cost or whatever, he's never worth taking though, he is almost a melee figure like the hired guns and he will die almost as quickly. No one wants to trade 7pts just so you can stun and bleed someone. I've rolled so poorly playing him that a lot of times he won't do enough damage to get a condition through.

I didn't mean to say that he was good. I meant that he was more relevant as a type. When trooper spam was all the hotness, there was no reason to play a debuff game, because getting the extra few damage to just outright kill the figure was so much easier and got you far more value. If he was more efficently costed at had a better chances of doing 1 damage and 2+ surges, I think he would be worth it in order to downsize these new powerful uniques. Obviously, if he has to run up in the face of Vader in order to do it, then it would probably not work. Just spitballing some stats he could go with:

BYY, +2 acc, p2, [surge] +2 acc, [surge] p2.

That would give him decent range and a good chance at lots of surges. He wouldn't ever do a lot of damage (could potentially max out at 6, but unlikely). But with the potential for p4, the few damage he did would probably go through (even through Zillo) and have 1-2 surges leftover to Stun, Weaken, and/or Bleed.

At 4-5 points I'd probably play that kind of figure.

Dengar was the first IA figure i ever bought, even before i bought a core set. I would love for him to be useful.

A blue die would solve a lot. He needs accuracy, and damage added to his attack. If he had a bulked up combat suit( no pierce allowed) he would live longer and then be more of a figure worth taking. He wouldn't be overpowered, bit useful with those 2 changes

On 11/14/2017 at 3:09 PM, DKNecrosis said:

1+ I love Dengar, the character. I would love if he actually got table time!

Then put him on the table and play with him and he will. It is completely in your control.

He was one of my very favorite Kenner figures and I will play him regardless of abilities once I get around to painting him. I will probably run him with all 4 trandoshan squaddies, as Bossk is my overall favorite bounty hunter. Ironically I don't think I'll ever buy Bossk, cause, I have 4 trandoshans and they are close enough.

On 11/15/2017 at 0:19 PM, buckero0 said:

Dengar was the first IA figure i ever bought, even before i bought a core set. I would love for him to be useful.

A blue die would solve a lot. He needs accuracy, and damage added to his attack. If he had a bulked up combat suit( no pierce allowed) he would live longer and then be more of a figure worth taking. He wouldn't be overpowered, bit useful with those 2 changes

Autofocus would give him a Green dice without giving him additional benefit from the RCP. Give him that and 2-3 health (10-11 total), and he's worth putting on the table

13 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Then put him on the table and play with him and he will. It is completely in your control.

He was one of my very favorite Kenner figures and I will play him regardless of abilities once I get around to painting him. I will probably run him with all 4 trandoshan squaddies, as Bossk is my overall favorite bounty hunter. Ironically I don't think I'll ever buy Bossk, cause, I have 4 trandoshans and they are close enough.

everytime he gets table time in Skirmish, he’s a disappointment . In campaign, he’s a bit more playable to make heroes waste actions on removing harmful conditions.

1 hour ago, DKNecrosis said:

everytime he gets table time in Skirmish, he’s a disappointment . In campaign, he’s a bit more playable to make heroes waste actions on removing harmful conditions.

Disappointment? HA! I'm a Warhammer Bretonnian player. Nothing in gaming can ever disappoint me again!

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1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

Disappointment? HA! I'm a Warhammer Bretonnian player. Nothing in gaming can ever disappoint me again!

Bretts were awesome! Very little could withstand the flanking lance formation and the trebuchets were fantastic!

16 hours ago, Fightwookies said:

Autofocus would give him a Green dice without giving him additional benefit from the RCP. Give him that and 2-3 health (10-11 total), and he's worth putting on the table

I would agree. I don't think he's as far off as people think. I just don't feel that people have tried him enough. Like give him a good college try.

3 hours ago, DKNecrosis said:

everytime he gets table time in Skirmish, he’s a disappointment . In campaign, he’s a bit more playable to make heroes waste actions on removing harmful conditions.

He has been one of my last figures on the table in my most recent games. I paired him with some other treats, and people have tended to leave him be, but find out the hard way, you also can't really do that either.

3 hours ago, buckero0 said:

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Bretts were awesome! Very little could withstand the flanking lance formation and the trebuchets were fantastic!

A decade of neglect capped off by Age of Sigmar. Yeah. Fantastic. Awesome. Flanks and trebuchets aside, I don't value a faction for its artificially regulated performance on the table, which a publisher can change at a whim without consulting me. If I wasn't driven by modeling, I'd be content to play one of the many cardboard-chits-on-a-map games out there. Of which I play none.

Back to the subject at hand, I think it's more constructive to figure out who or what to pair Dengar with, than how to change his actual card. He's not terrible for his points considering that most gamers don't own one of everything or two of any one product. So taking another unit of something better isn't an argument I find compelling. It only applies to a dedicated minority.

I do find the point about "give him a try" interesting. Because most players I've seen play don't try. They calculate. They don't come from a wargaming background, they come from CCG's and Eurogames and stuff. Therefore, they don't have an eye for terrain. They just want to crash the two armies into each other, may the statistically superior stat cards win! I saw this attitude a lot with the old collectible minis games.

Sometimes I wonder if what's really needed to make every toy soldier useful in its own way is a change to the nature of objectives and doors or something.

Granted, i haven't played warhammer since 7th ed. Breyts were always underrepresented and unsupported.

Dengar is 7pts. In almost any players hand, especially any merc player, there too many better figure combinations no matter how you slice it. Hired guns. Weequay. Jawas. Hera 3po. Nexu etc. You can get any or multiples of these for 7 pts. All of them have more utility and health than Dengar

4 hours ago, buckero0 said:

Dengar is 7pts. In almost any players hand, especially any merc player, there too many better figure combinations no matter how you slice it.

Every faction for every game I've ever seen has models that are statistically worse than something else in a head to head fight. Worrying about it is bad for your blood pressure. It is not zen. I'd rather have Dengar than a raft of Nexu's or anything else from the prequels. They could cut Nexu's down to a point apiece, my likes and dislikes would not change.

I kinda doubt they'll change his stats. He doesn't even have lines in the movie and he's not part of the core box like IG-88. I'm more interested to hear what Ne'er Bet the Fett paired him with.

Since the point of the post is "play Dengar or other janky figures!" I will say this. In my rebel army I use an elite Wampa with MDH standing behind him to block LOS through hallways for extended periods of time.