Stage 1 just 3 games. If you don't win 2 of them you are eleminated from the main event!

FFG, please think that over. Do you really believe that people travel hundrets of kilometers and paying for hotels just to find them forced into side events after just 3 games?

I am participating in those large turnaments to find out where is my place in a field of hundrets of players. This mode cuts off my chance to find that out even before the actual elemination rounds beginn. Thats not what I am looking for. I wanna be able to play the main event as long as I want before the cut starts.

I fully understand that FFG has to limit the prizes they hand out. This still can be done by considering the stages as reward stages where you win your prizes if you meet the requirements. But do not consider them as early elimination stages.

Again, please rethink!

I hope I will find many players who see it like I do. If so, raise your voice!

Malazath

I disagree. If there are going to be a lot of side event options and only 5 wins and higher is going to make the cut a double elimination format like this one allows people who have no chance to make the cut to go take part in those side events. Also, if they put System Opens at huge events and conventions the way this week they'll be at PAX Unplugged there are a lot of other distractions around that aren't X-Wing that can fill a day if someone goes 1-2 and doesn't want to play any side events.

I would not like this format for an event like a Regional where the only thing going on is the main tournament. For the System Open series, I like it.

There are 2 other 5-6 round events you can play on friday and sunday if you want to play as much X-Wing as you want. The swag for those is pretty good.

The format for the main event is fine. If you don't do well on saturday just enjoy the convention.

Question on the Hanger Bay events. It says under the Distinct Rule rule that you cannot use the same model. Does that mean that I could only use say a T70 model 1 time, and would that eliminate all T70 choices or could I use a different T70 model for the second. Say Poes for the first and the original Blue for the second.

31 minutes ago, librarian101 said:

Question on the Hanger Bay events. It says under the Distinct Rule rule that you cannot use the same model. Does that mean that I could only use say a T70 model 1 time, and would that eliminate all T70 choices or could I use a different T70 model for the second. Say Poes for the first and the original Blue for the second.

From the Any Methods Necessary article:

" If you bring two squads, however, they must adhere to the "Skilled Rule," which states that the printed pilot skill values of your pilots must be different from list to list."

So each year it changes and this year Skilled Rule is the PRINTED pilot skill values must be different from LIST TO LIST.

And how about leaving one of the biggest System Opens out for 2018???

Last year Tattoine Open (Spain) had 358 players, the second in size just behind Yavin Open (UK) and this year there's no announcement for Spain?!?

What's wrong with FFGOP??? It was one big and great event, I think our community deserves an answer if finally the locations leave Tattoine out.

11 hours ago, Malazath said:

Stage 1 just 3 games. If you don't win 2 of them you are eleminated from the main event!

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I am participating in those large turnaments to find out where is my place in a field of hundrets of players. This mode cuts off my chance to find that out even before the actual elemination rounds beginn. Thats not what I am looking for. I wanna be able to play the main event as long as I want before the cut starts.

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I don't get your complaint. It should give you a pretty good idea of your standing among hundreds of people if you can't win 2 out of 3 games.

In addition to that FFG provides a lot of side events, even with a bunch of prices and chances to make it to the end rounds, that you can attend if you don't make it through the first cut.

1 hour ago, Marcellvs said:

And how about leaving one of the biggest System Opens out for 2018???

Last year Tattoine Open (Spain) had 358 players, the second in size just behind Yavin Open (UK) and this year there's no announcement for Spain?!?

What's wrong with FFGOP??? It was one big and great event, I think our community deserves an answer if finally the locations leave Tattoine out.

AGAIN....

" Running from November 2017 to June 2018, the 2018 X-Wing System Open Series consists of fifteen high-energy events held across the globe."

....they have still yet to announce all of them. CHILL OUT AND READ

12 hours ago, Malazath said:

I am participating in those large turnaments to find out where is my place in a field of hundrets of players.

If you don't make it past Stage 1, you're probably somewhere in the bottom half.

So, what's your suggestion? No elimination in the first stage? Only eliminate those who win 0 games (potentially nobody)? If too many people move on to the next stage, that could significantly increase the logistics and time required to run the remainder of the event. By cutting the field roughly in half, they not only help with these logistics, but also allow side-events to get going with more participants quicker.

3 hours ago, warmdown said:

I don't get your complaint. It should give you a pretty good idea of your standing among hundreds of people if you can't win 2 out of 3 games.

That point is not valid at all, which I can tell you from my own experience at the European Championships, where my final standing was still decent after a start that would eliminate me at the at the Open Series. And why? Because there was no elemination at all before the Top 32 cut.

1 hour ago, JJ48 said:

So, what's your suggestion? No elimination in the first stage?

Yes, exactly. Let the people play at least those 6 games and let themselves decide if they want to drop voluntarily to side events if they want. At any of my 4 very large tournaments it was that way.

59 minutes ago, Malazath said:

Yes, exactly. Let the people play at least those 6 games and let themselves decide if they want to drop voluntarily to side events if they want. At any of my 4 very large tournaments it was that way.

Please forgive my ignorance as a casual player (I'll be the first to admit I don't really get the whole competitive mindset), but a tournament that relies on voluntary drop-out doesn't sound like much of a tournament to me...

3 hours ago, Malazath said:

That point is not valid at all, which I can tell you from my own experience at the European Championships, where my final standing was still decent after a start that would eliminate me at the at the Open Series. And why? Because there was no elemination at all before the Top 32 cut.

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Well apparently now there is, but let's say you get eliminated in the first stage: There are at least two additional tournaments you can join. And with the Hyperspace Qualifier you get a second chance to earn an invitation to the Coruscant Invitational, even though you dropped out after stage 1. I think that should give you plenty of opportunities to see where your standing is.

I agree Malazath, this kind of tourneys having a long travel to attend and acomodation costs... so I think players deserve to at least play the main tournament for all day.

I also want to say I am very surprised because Spain is not having an Open, and last year tattoine open was the 2nd biggest in the world. I do not understand what is FFG doing.

Same issue here with the fact that right now Spain won´t have an Open.

Is this how FFG reward one of the most strong and committed communities all over the world?

As it has been said before, Tattoine Open was the 2 nd biggest in the world, with 358 players. It would be a critical hit for all of the spanish pilots if such achievement does not pay in the end......

19 hours ago, RStan said:

AGAIN....

" Running from November 2017 to June 2018, the 2018 X-Wing System Open Series consists of fifteen high-energy events held across the globe."

....they have still yet to announce all of them. CHILL OUT AND READ

6 replies later.....

3 hours ago, Gigante Esmeralda said:

Same issue here with the fact that right now Spain won´t have an Open.

Is this how FFG reward one of the most strong and committed communities all over the world?

As it has been said before, Tattoine Open was the 2 nd biggest in the world, with 358 players. It would be a critical hit for all of the spanish pilots if such achievement does not pay in the end......

.....does anybody read before replying anymore???

11 minutes ago, RStan said:

...does anybody read before replying anymore???

No, clearly they don't. It's so much easier to pitch up the pitchforks and burning torches than it is to actually learn the relevant facts.

Wait and see... nothing.

But apart from that we are also complaining about the new format of the open and how 3 rounds can be the most you play after having huge expenses to attend.

Also I heard alternative tournaments for eliminated players may cost additional money to the player, I am not sure about this, is just a rumour, but I am here asking about it to get more information and find some answers.

Thank you for helping.

I would be surprised if Spain doesnt get its Open Series. Note that not all of the 15 locations are announced yet.

1 hour ago, negroscuro said:

But apart from that we are also complaining about the new format of the open and how 3 rounds can be the most you play after having huge expenses to attend.

3 rounds of the main tournament, sure. But be fair - even if you lose all three of your opening games in the System Open, you can then play in the Hangar Bay event during Phase 2. Which would be another 3 games, and the chance to earn the prizes that the particupants who made it to Phase 2 win. Then during Phase 3 and the elimination rounds you can play 5 more games in the Hyperspace Qualifier, for a chance to win some of the prizes that the players taking part in Phase 3 win, and another chance to qualifyu for the Coruscant Invitational.

So, that's not "3 rounds can be the most you play", that's 11 games, across both days, in multiple events, with multiple opportunities to win prizes even if you crashed and burned in the opening rounds of the tournament.

In fact, looking at the prize lists, you could lose all 11 of these games and still come away from the weekend with:

• Dual sided Millennium Falcon/Slave One title card
• System Open Series 2018 Damage Deck
• Dual sided Lothal Rebel/Baron of the Empire Aurebesh card
• Dual sided Resistance Sympathiser/Mandalorian Mercenary Aurebesh card
• a pair of System Open 2018 Target Lock tokens
• Alt art cards for Boba Fett, Bossk, IG-88B and Dengar

Plus a System Open 2018 game mat if you decide to purchase one. That's an incredible amount of goodies.

And just to clarify, that information is taken from and can be found in the three articles that FFG has officially posted on the System Open Series so far, which is the only official information we currently have about the events. Anything else is speculation.

57 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

So, that's not "3 rounds can be the most you play", that's 11 games, across both days, in multiple events, with multiple opportunities to win prizes even if you crashed and burned in the opening rounds of the tournament.

In fact, looking at the prize lists, you could lose all 11 of these games and still come away from the weekend with:

• Dual sided Millennium Falcon/Slave One title card
• System Open Series 2018 Damage Deck
• Dual sided Lothal Rebel/Baron of the Empire Aurebesh card
• Dual sided Resistance Sympathiser/Mandalorian Mercenary Aurebesh card
• a pair of System Open 2018 Target Lock tokens
• Alt art cards for Boba Fett, Bossk, IG-88B and Dengar

Plus a System Open 2018 game mat if you decide to purchase one. That's an incredible amount of goodies.

This illustrates why I love this format. I've never participated in a big tournament and have no expectation that I could make top 32, let alone an invitation to Courasant (which I likely wouldn't be able to attend regardless). However, two days of Xwing with some cool, unique swag sounds like a lot of fun. I also have an 11 yr old who plays. I know that getting extra swag regardless of how well he plays will help him enjoy the experience a lot more.

Now FFG just needs to add an event in Calgary, since that's most likely the closest place to me to host a system open.

1 hour ago, FTS Gecko said:

In fact, looking at the prize lists, you could lose all 11 of these games and still come away from the weekend with:

• Dual sided Millennium Falcon/Slave One title card
• System Open Series 2018 Damage Deck
• Dual sided Lothal Rebel/Baron of the Empire Aurebesh card
• Dual sided Resistance Sympathiser/Mandalorian Mercenary Aurebesh card
• a pair of System Open 2018 Target Lock tokensp
• Alt art cards for Boba Fett, Bossk, IG-88B and Dengar

I do not know where you read all that because what I read here:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/11/13/claim-your-bounty/

Says that participants will get:

- a double-sided upgrade card that features the Millennium Falcon on one side and Slave I on the other.

- a copy of The Force Awakens ™ Core Set damage deck, themed with a custom Boba Fett card back.

Participating other tournaments I am not sure if will be no cost for the participants.

5 minutes ago, negroscuro said:

I do not know where you read all that because what i read here:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/11/13/claim-your-bounty/

Says that participants will get:

- a double-sided upgrade card that features the Millennium Falcon on one side and Slave I on the other.

- a copy of The Force Awakens ™ Core Set damage deck, themed with a custom Boba Fett card back.

BUT

If you do not make it to stage 2, you will no get full-bleed Resistance Sympathizer and Mandalorian Mercenary / Lothal Rebel on one side and the Baron of the Empire on the other. Neither acrylic target lock tokens.

If you do not make it to stage 3, you will not get Boba Fett, Bossk, Dengar, and IG-88B.

Or you could also participate in the Hyperspace Qualifier and BY JUST PARTICIPATING EACH ROUND, you get those bounty hunter alt art cards

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/11/13/claim-your-bounty/ :

Quote

Players earn prizes based on both their participation and their success.

• All participants receive a pair of commemorative, acrylic target lock tokens and an alternate art Boba Fett ship card (from the Scum and Villainy faction).
• At the end of Round 1 , all participants receive an alternate art Bossk ship card.
• At the end of Round 2 , all participants receive an alternate art Dengar ship card.
• At the end of Round 3 , all participants receive an alternate art IG-88B ship card.
• Players who finish with five or more wins receive a set of ten acrylic shield tokens.
• Players who finish undefeated receive an additional set of ten acrylic shield tokens—plus an invitation to the 2018 Coruscant Invitational.

....READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I read, the question, is... is it free, I mean to participate in hangar o hyperspace qualifier?

Read before giving an answer, I ask the same thing in my last 3 posts here.

thank you

34 minutes ago, negroscuro said:

I read, the question, is... is it free, I mean to participate in hangar o hyperspace qualifier?

thank you

Oh, well that's a more valid question...

It could be different per event, but for example, on the Adepticon website they have posted a link to their "Basic Event List" which has everything as it is now, but can be updated. Seems most things are $15 - $30 to enter (shows $20 right now for Hyperspace Qualifier).

EDITED: Took a look and organized the current Adepticon Event List to just show X-Wing events. So right now (subject to change) if you wanted to participate in the System Open ($30), Hyperspace Qualifier ($20) and at least 1 Hangar Bay (each $10), you'll pay $60 total to enter in all that. Interesting thing though is, for now, there's a Hyperspace Qualifier scheduled for Thursday before any of the System Open Main Event itself starts and another one scheduled as described in the articles (alongside the Stage 3). Not sure if you could participate in the first and still be allowed to attempt the second one if you get knocked out of Stage 3.

Thank you for the clarification.

Honestly I dislike this new format because in the end, tournament would cost 60$ as you explained unless you have the luck to make it to stage 3.

And do not forget to add other costs like flight, acomodation... for sure it does not help too much to motivate people attending to Open tournaments.

In other level... it boost competitivity since now we will have money behind "each" match result. So I think it is not good decision to involve money in having fun playing xwing.

At first sight it looks a very bad decision from FFG, but we will see. As soon as I let this know to my playmates I started hearing opinions about attending or not to Open series (mostly negative opinions, just to clarify).