Or they simply don´ t have the budget for 76 Tie Fighters all at once?

3 hours ago, xulfus said:

Oh my god I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.. Good to know that I can keep on not watching the show

And yet, for some reason, you feel compelled to comment in a thread, clearly marked, about a show you do not like. Normal people do not bother with things they do not like. Sounds like a big waste of time to me.

As for the video:

Hera is PS7 in both of the ships she flies in X-Wing and 5 points more expensive than the PS3 Lothal Rebel VCX-100. Using this, I'd price her at 26-27 points in the T-65.

I guess Hera didn't have any upgrades on her X-Wing for Chopper to discard to get her shields back.

X-Wing firing its weapons with its S Foils in landing mode. Is there anything in canon, prior to this, that states this can't be done? I haven't seen any info the foils must be in open for the weapons to work.

23 minutes ago, T70 Driver said:

And yet, for some reason, you feel compelled to comment in a thread, clearly marked, about a show you do not like. Normal people do not bother with things they do not like. Sounds like a big waste of time to me.

Maybe because we’re all bored. Lol

1 hour ago, Zeoinx said:

Means nothing to fans, especially since everyone would much rather see Rogue Squadron create the update for this ships instead of Blue Squadron or Phoenix Squadron, for one, the color scheme is better.....and for two, both Blue and Phoenix Squadrons have nothing on Rogue Squadron.... even combined.

Actually, I'd love to see a Roque Squadron movie. Maybe a TV series? With all the talk of unending new stuff coming out, one can only hope it'll happen someday.

1 hour ago, Zeoinx said:

Means nothing to fans, especially since everyone would much rather see Rogue Squadron create the update for this ships instead of Blue Squadron or Phoenix Squadron, for one, the color scheme is better.....and for two, both Blue and Phoenix Squadrons have nothing on Rogue Squadron.... even combined.

You say "everyone", but there are a _lot_ of fans for whom "Rogue Squadron" sounds like a misunderstanding of the title of the movie that got released in 2016.

I mean if we only get 1, _I_ would prefer to see Rogue Squadron. But I don't mistake my tastes and preferences with everyone's tastes and preferences.

We have another thread for this already...

1 hour ago, VanorDM said:

Well regardless of people's opinion on the matter... It's now canon that they can shoot with the S-Foils closed.

I am not even sure if the S-Foils are not there to adjust the focal point of the quad-lasers and hera did just went with a ultra close shot ;-)

30 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:

You say "everyone", but there are a _lot_ of fans for whom "Rogue Squadron" sounds like a misunderstanding of the title of the movie that got released in 2016.

I mean if we only get 1, _I_ would prefer to see Rogue Squadron. But I don't mistake my tastes and preferences with everyone's tastes and preferences.

I personally dont count anyone who grew up as Disney Starwars Cannon worshipers fans. They didnt MAKE the fandom what it was, they didnt help shape the universe, for GOOD OR BAD..... the original EU will live on through the Fans who made it what it was before some company with a lot of money decided to throw it out the window cause they were to lazy to design something to add to what existed and make it all that much better. They broke tradition, they didnt add, they destroyed first.....

3 hours ago, Lobokai said:

Well no I don’t, but this is an upgraded TIE Defender... real question was whether any of this is relevant to X-Wing (genuinely curious what people think on that) and if there’s a possibility the T65 could benefit

Actually it wasn't.. It was the 'standard' type already seen in several episodes. The upgraded model has an extended aft bit on the pod and panels that are longer.

8 minutes ago, takfar said:

Actually, I'd love to see a Roque Squadron movie. Maybe a TV series? With all the talk of unending new stuff coming out, one can only hope it'll happen someday.

A "Rogue Squadron" series with as much death as something like Game of Thrones would be fantastic. Set it right after RotJ, and no one would even have plot armor (since even Wedge could die, given his absence in the New Trilogy era). It would be glorious, and it could culminate with the Battle of Jakku. We know a live-action series is now coming.

That said, such a series would cost an insane amount of money to produce, but perhaps the digital models and renders from Rogue One have already laid a lot of the groundwork, and the props and costumes could be reused?

What makes it unlikely, though, is that Disney likes to cross-pollinate. Look at all the tie-ins between Rebels and Rogue One , and now that RO has come and gone Rebels is also being brought to a close. The live-action series probably won't focus on the Galactic Civil War, unless Disney has plans for the anthology coming after Han Solo to be another Civil War focus. Odds are, the live action series will focus on either the TFA trilogy era or the era of the Next Trilogy.

2 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

Means nothing to fans, especially since everyone would much rather see Rogue Squadron create the update for this ships instead of Blue Squadron or Phoenix Squadron, for one, the color scheme is better.....and for two, both Blue and Phoenix Squadrons have nothing on Rogue Squadron.... even combined.

All they need to do is make

Wedge Antillies

Tycho Celchu

Corran Horn

Wes Janson

Derek "Hobbie" Klivian

Luke Skywalker

Rogue Squadron Pilot (Lower Pilot Skill then the rest, still has a Elite Talent Option)

Make all new cards that make use of synergy between all the pilots in the squadron, allowing different options and even using the Generic Rogue Squadron Pilot, give us a few unique astromech droids, like Gate, Whistler, etc, and maybe a few unique Elite Talents that are lore friendly for certain pilots, like give Corran the Jedi Credit he wears around his neck to justify him being able to get a free evade or extra focus from unconsciously drawing on the force.

Put it with two X-Wings in a box, one Green,for Corran, One painted up like Luke's or Wedges. Maybe even get the Rogue Squadron Logo on the wings and you got a product that will sell out day one.

No Ooryl or Gavin?! No deal!

2 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Yet again we fail to see Star Destroyers launching anything close to 76 TIE Fighters, which further supports the view that the commonly-held 76 TIE compliment for Star Destroyers is grossly exaggerated from 'reality.'

It was certainly exaggerated compared to what we saw in the PC games.

You will fly a TIE Fighter designated Alpha 1. You will have two wingmen who will almost immediately fly directly into the Star Destroyer's hull, so don't rely on them. It will then be up to you to single-handedly take on several squadrons of Rebel fighters while our gunnery crews take their caf break.

1 hour ago, T70 Driver said:

X-Wing firing its weapons with its S Foils in landing mode. Is there anything in canon, prior to this, that states this can't be done? I haven't seen any info the foils must be in open for the weapons to work.

I know in X-Wing Alliance you couldn't fire with the S-foils closed. (Also, the S-foils closed/opened automatically when you went to hyperspace, so there was absolutely no reason that you would ever want or need them closed. I'm convinced that the button to toggle them only existed so that you'd accidentally press it in combat, then realize you couldn't fire and have to spend precious time in the middle of your dogfight trying to figure out which button it was.) However, I don't know if there was a canon basis for that.

If I had to make up some reason, I'd say that it's probably not that the weapons can't be fired, but rather that they shouldn't be fired with S-foils closed. Probably something to do with sustained firing building up too much heat that can't be properly dissipated unless they're opened.

27 minutes ago, Zeoinx said:

I personally dont count anyone who grew up as Disney Starwars Cannon worshipers fans. They didnt MAKE the fandom what it was, they didnt help shape the universe, for GOOD OR BAD..... the original EU will live on through the Fans who made it what it was before some company with a lot of money decided to throw it out the window cause they were to lazy to design something to add to what existed and make it all that much better. They broke tradition, they didnt add, they destroyed first.....

I mean, I get what you're saying, but then I look at things like this and I can't tell if Disney was more of a savior. Because as silly and disappointing as TFA and TLJ are, at least they aren't:

39 minutes ago, Zeoinx said:

I personally dont count anyone who grew up as Disney Starwars Cannon worshipers fans. They didnt MAKE the fandom what it was, they didnt help shape the universe, for GOOD OR BAD..... the original EU will live on through the Fans who made it what it was before some company with a lot of money decided to throw it out the window cause they were to lazy to design something to add to what existed and make it all that much better. They broke tradition, they didnt add, they destroyed first.....

Personally I don't consider anyone of enjoyed anything from Kevin J. Anderson a star star wars fan. Or Traviss for that matter. Though the Stackpole guys are cool, even when rather bland.

All I learned from this is that XWM needs the Kulbit action, BR backwards. And then X-Wings need a new title to do it.

1 hour ago, Zeoinx said:

I personally dont count anyone who grew up as Disney Starwars Cannon worshipers fans. They didnt MAKE the fandom what it was, they didnt help shape the universe, for GOOD OR BAD..... the original EU will live on through the Fans who made it what it was before some company with a lot of money decided to throw it out the window cause they were to lazy to design something to add to what existed and make it all that much better. They broke tradition, they didnt add, they destroyed first.....

Most of the post Endor stuff of the old EU was absolute garbage, and any fans it may have I don't consider Star Wars fans.

And it was thrown out because it was crap. Some gems were saved (Thrawn), but most of it went down the gutter, to its rightful place.

Anybody who accepts the Vong is part of the rebel alliance and a traitor!

(besides, hardly anyone "grew up" in Disney Canon times. It's been only a few years. Those kids are still kids.)

4 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Yet again we fail to see Star Destroyers launching anything close to 76 TIE Fighters, which further supports the view that the commonly-held 76 TIE compliment for Star Destroyers is grossly exaggerated from 'reality.'

This time not sure about that. They have to cover a lot of ground with fighter patrols around the whole freaking planet. Doesn't help when they have 206 Fighters in Orbit over the defender factory, while the rebels come in half a light second away in the shadow of the planet and doing a low pass against the factory.

Now budget restrains are a thing too, sure. But we see a good amount of fighters in orbit and even more at about 13 km above the factory.

I liked Thrawn, Dark Empire (I not II), West End Games expansions, Shadows, PC games Rebellion, X-Wing TIE Fighter series, and a small smattering of the other stuff... some Rogue Squadron was cool, but some made me gag too... same with Fel arcs

1 hour ago, UnitOmega said:

All I learned from this is that XWM needs the Kulbit action, BR backwards. And then X-Wings need a new title to do it.

That actually fits canon, we see plenty of times X-Wings during effectively "true" barrel rolls, which shouldn't work that well in space and would okish represented by allowing the X-Wing pilot to choose between 1-bank backwards barrel roll and a side-ways 1-bank "sloop".

Well, we really have still plenty of interesting maneuvers open if you think about it. The starviper title is already plenty cool as well and very fitting for the ship. Meanwhile the X-Wings best dogfight ability seems to be losing speed while slow-rolling into their targets.

I did say GOOD OR BAD, I personally dont really like the Vong or a few other random things, but the majority of the stuff was pretty well done.

Good example is I dont really like Tyber Zann, I did like the Bird creature and the Force Witch who uses the light whip, its like all the characters for Forces of Corruption were more interesting to explore then the main one, Tyber Zann....

I never said it was perfect, but it WAS starwars and as fans, we helped shape it. We should have just FIXED it instead of deleteing it all.

12 minutes ago, Zeoinx said:

I did say GOOD OR BAD, I personally dont really like the Vong or a few other random things, but the majority of the stuff was pretty well done.

Good example is I dont really like Tyber Zann, I did like the Bird creature and the Force Witch who uses the light whip, its like all the characters for Forces of Corruption were more interesting to explore then the main one, Tyber Zann....

I never said it was perfect, but it WAS starwars and as fans, we helped shape it. We should have just FIXED it instead of deleteing it all.

That kind of stuff was being "Fixed" for decades. If Disney's guys attempted to fix it, fans would have even more things to complain about. As insane as it sounds, just hitting DEL on the EU was the best possible option for the most controlled reaction.

2 hours ago, JJ48 said:

I know in X-Wing Alliance you couldn't fire with the S-foils closed. (Also, the S-foils closed/opened automatically when you went to hyperspace, so there was absolutely no reason that you would ever want or need them closed. I'm convinced that the button to toggle them only existed so that you'd accidentally press it in combat, then realize you couldn't fire and have to spend precious time in the middle of your dogfight trying to figure out which button it was.) However, I don't know if there was a canon basis for that.

If I had to make up some reason, I'd say that it's probably not that the weapons can't be fired, but rather that they shouldn't be fired with S-foils closed. Probably something to do with sustained firing building up too much heat that can't be properly dissipated unless they're opened.

In the Xwing novels the lasers can fire without opening the S-foils.. it is just treated as a much more difficult shot. Lara Notsil makes a kill at long range with a snap sho t on single fire (each laser firing in sequence) with her S-foils closed at the start of her first battle as a Wraith in Iron Fist, which got her accolades from the squadron because it combined so many difficult shot options (snap shot without targeting, long range, single fire, and foils closed)

during the battle she takes damage that prevents her from closing the foils, and has to hyperspace back to base with them open.

in the novels, when the Foils are closed it is indicated that the pilots routinely transfer power away from the weapons to engines or shields, to make themselves a bit faster or tougher. presumably since the lasers are zer'd assuming the foils are open, the extra difficulty in targeting with them closed means pilots prefer not to even power the lasers while closed, and instead find other uses for it.

In the X-Wing Novels they explain as well that to focal point of the lasers can be adjusted and is normally set to 2.5 klicks. Closing the S-Foils must change this focal point and this should make it hard to hit with all 4 lasers at the same spot.

Just now, SEApocalypse said:

In the X-Wing Novels they explain as well that to focal point of the lasers can be adjusted and is normally set to 2.5 klicks. Closing the S-Foils must change this focal point and this should make it hard to hit with all 4 lasers at the same spot.

Wow. In the games, your lasers couldn't even hit beyond 1.5. Also in the games, the Z-95's focal point could be adjusted manually, but X-Wings had auto-focus (which sometimes got irritating if you were locked onto an enemy that was really close but then decided to take a potshot at a target further away).

2 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

I mean, I get what you're saying, but then I look at things like this and I can't tell if Disney was more of a savior. Because as silly and disappointing as TFA and TLJ are, at least they aren't:

Dang, man! That hurts! You could have stopped in that Suncrusher image. Adding Emperor clones, Imperial zombies and the Vong was overkill.

BTW: what's wrong with that (corny) Soontir Fel's story?

In reference to Rogue Squadron or Leader games, the s foils closed are for added speed, cant shoot.