Coordinate clarification?

By Mace Windu, in X-Wing

So I have only just gotten around to reading the new article about the Sheathipede Shuttle and I did a bit of a double take on something and I can't seem to see it being discussed elsewhere in the forums so thought I would bring it up, so sorry if I missed that and it has been discussed.

It may just be another poor FFG article with incorrect rules info but maybe I just didn’t know how strong Coordinate really is/isnt.

Here is an excerpt from the article:

"To summarize, when your Sheathipede-class shuttle performs the coordinate action, it immediate grants a free action to one of your other ships at Range 1–2. This doesn't allow a ship to perform the same action more than once, but that ship is notably not limited only to the ship's action bar or its Action upgrades. The target ship can perform any of the available actions that it hasn't already taken."

Emphasis mine.

I was under the distinct impression that Coordinate allowed the targeted ship to perform a free action that it could normally perform from its action bar our upgrades, however this sentence seems to directly contradict my understanding of coordinate.

Does this mean I can have a HWK 290 next to my Ghost that can perform a free Reinforce action, or maybe a boost or barrel roll?????

Not really a rules question as much as another mistake in an article so decided to post in the main forum.

Just another case of FFG's mediocre article writing. You're understanding of Coordinate is correct; you need the ability to perform the action, so no, your HWKs won't be boosting or barrel rolling unless you've given them Engine or Vectored. They were just trying to spell that out but made it unintentionally confusing.

Edited by DR4CO

I suspect it may also be saying that you can Coordinate into Actions from Crits/Conditions, so not just your upgrades and bar?

It is poorly written, though. Mynock Squadron isn't getting they need to consult some linguists.

4 hours ago, Mace Windu said:

but that ship is notably not limited only to the ship's action bar or its Action upgrades. The target ship can perform any of the available actions that it hasn't already taken."

It is poor writing. What it means is that it's not:

  • Limited to only "your action bar" like Push The Limit or Advanced SLAM
  • Limited to "an ACTION upgrade card" like experimental interface
  • Limited to a single specific action like BB-8, Ysanne Isard or Snap Wexley

But can do any action available (including damage cards). Given that the above three represent probably about 75% of the free actions floating around, a totally unrestricted one is a good thing.

Edited by Magnus Grendel

Yeah, it's just bad writing for 'any actions it could normally take during its perform action step, which could be from its bar, upgrade cards, crits, conditions, or potentially stuff specific to missions'.

I really wish FFG were able to get a playtester to proof these articles in advance, so many errors could be averted.

5 hours ago, Mace Windu said:

Here is an excerpt from the article:

"To summarize, when your Sheathipede-class shuttle performs the coordinate action, it immediate grants a free action to one of your other ships at Range 1–2. This doesn't allow a ship to perform the same action more than once, but that ship is notably not limited only to the ship's action bar or its Action upgrades. The target ship can perform any of the available actions that it hasn't already taken."

Emphasis mine.

I was under the distinct impression that Coordinate allowed the targeted ship to perform a free action that it could normally perform from its action bar our upgrades, however this sentence seems to directly contradict my understanding of coordinate.

Does this mean I can have a HWK 290 next to my Ghost that can perform a free Reinforce action, or maybe a boost or barrel roll?????

Not really a rules question as much as another mistake in an article so decided to post in the main forum.

There is no mistake in the spelling: "Available actions" means the actions which are available to a ship (Those who are in its action bar or upgrade cards).

I highly suspect that wording is to distinguish it from both Push the Limits, which is action bar only, and Experimental interface, which is upgrade card only. The point is making is that it has neither of these limitations.

I also don‘t see how ‚available actions‘ can be misunderstood

9 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

I also don‘t see how ‚available actions‘ can be misunderstood

I don't see how:

but that ship is notably not limited only to the ship's action bar or its Action upgrades.

Doesnt mean any action in the game. It explicitly says "not limited to"

Either way it seems the coordinate works the way it always did, but it really is a poorly written paragraph

11 hours ago, Darth Rubi said:

I highly suspect that wording is to distinguish it from both Push the Limits, which is action bar only, and Experimental interface, which is upgrade card only. The point is making is that it has neither of these limitations.

So you can Slam bomb again with Miranda for a +15 cost minimum.

13 minutes ago, Mace Windu said:

I don't see how:

but that ship is notably not limited only to the ship's action bar or its Action upgrades.

Doesnt mean any action in the game. It explicitly says "not limited to"

I do.

There are actions that are neither action header upgrade cards, nor in the action bar.

It's just poor grammar. It's generally a poorly constructed sentence, but it I'm guessing it should read something more like;

"This doesn't allow a ship to perform the same action more than once, however that ship is not limited to either the ship's action bar; or its Action upgrades exclusively . The target ship can perform any of its available actions that it hasn't previously performed ."