Not sure if this has already been talked about, but I'm wondering if I, or we as a community, should plan on FFG releasing a terrain mat for Legion. I've built some custom boards before, but I've been saving up for a battle mat for a while. I'm thinking something like this for my endor terrain: http://www.tablewar.com/6x4-grassy-plains-f-a-t-mat-gaming-mat/
I'd love to go ahead and buy this, but if FFG is about to release a mat, then I'd better wait. Has anyone heard any rumors so far?
I say it'll be fine to pull the trigger. I doubt FFG is going to make anything like that. Remember, they're still relatively new to this product type, not brand spanking new, so we can be confident the game will have decent rules and be fun, but new enough FFG isn't trying to udderly dominate the entire miniature modeling market. So it'll be a while before we start seeing official FFG paint, grass, and paperclips.
FFG have a 6x3 Runewars mat that will work well for Endor.
Mats will happen sooner or later, they are kinda necessary for the tournament scene but for home/shop play I totally recommend a textured/painted wargaming table for the immersion. There are tutorials out there showing how easy this can be done and definitely cheaper than an official FFG mat. Don't get me wrong cause I love X-Wing mats. Is just that for this game they will look "bad".
Ffg will definitely be releasing mats for this game and I would imagine fairly quickly.
1 hour ago, JBar said:Not sure if this has already been talked about, but I'm wondering if I, or we as a community, should plan on FFG releasing a terrain mat for Legion. I've built some custom boards before, but I've been saving up for a battle mat for a while. I'm thinking something like this for my endor terrain: http://www.tablewar.com/6x4-grassy-plains-f-a-t-mat-gaming-mat/
I'd love to go ahead and buy this, but if FFG is about to release a mat, then I'd better wait. Has anyone heard any rumors so far?
Looks boring, who would want to play this game on a mat. if i went to a tournament and all that was too be played on was mats, I'd turn a around and leave.
2 hours ago, Anatak12 said:Looks boring, who would want to play this game on a mat. if i went to a tournament and all that was too be played on was mats, I'd turn a around and leave.
I would think that ffg official tournaments may very well need to be played on ffg mats.
3 hours ago, Anatak12 said:Looks boring, who would want to play this game on a mat. if i went to a tournament and all that was too be played on was mats, I'd turn a around and leave.
Might look nicer but i hate flocked tables with a passion for all the crap they leave everywhere. Not to mention storage pains in comparison.....
Yeah op if i was to get anything it'd be 2 of the runewars mats. A little pricer than what you're looking at but it's ffg product so definatley the best chance of being tourney legal. I be surprised (but not shocked, chaced for licened images and all) if they weren't cross selling those mats for legion day 1
Edited by Ralgon4 hours ago, Anatak12 said:Looks boring, who would want to play this game on a mat. if i went to a tournament and all that was too be played on was mats, I'd turn a around and leave.
The mat is just the base surface, many games clubs use green sheets over a 6x4 table, you then throw or place your terrain down on this.
I built a table to a railroad quality, and while I loved playing on it it was very expensive and awkward to store.
The mats in other games are a great surface for X-Wing and Armada where a good or bad move can be a mm here or there. So a lot of people coming to Legion from these games will have the mat as their preferred surface because a small bump doesn't affect the positioning of models. I also find it has a nice bounce for dice that you don't get on a regular table.
I'll definitely be waiting for the ffg forest mat. In the meantime, I'll just be using some green felt.
14 hours ago, Hawkstrike said:FFG have a 6x3 Runewars mat that will work well for Endor.
Really? Armada hasn't received a 6x3 mat and the game is ~2.5 years old.
15 minutes ago, Thraug said:Really? Armada hasn't received a 6x3 mat and the game is ~2.5 years old.
I'm pretty sure it's 3x3. The only official one I know of is this one https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/runewars-miniatures-game/products/grassy-field-playmat/
8 hours ago, Bhunter46 said:I'll definitely be waiting for the ffg forest mat. In the meantime, I'll just be using some green felt.
The one that's already available and just currently branded for runewars?
11 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:I would think that ffg official tournaments may very well need to be played on ffg mats.
Considering how FFG presents the game (on custom built tables, and not on branded play mats) I'm skeptical of this statement. Even compared to something like X-wing you're not quite right. FFGs tournament rules say if you bring your own, it needs to be theirs, but the TO is allowed to use whatever he likes. It really sounds less like they care about mat manufacture and more about someone custom making a mat that (and I don't know how) would provide some kind of advantage.
In that regard I think the TO will have to manage terrain tables, but until we see official Star Wars trees and bushes, I doubt FFG will care too much about the source of most terrain. Heck, despite being a slightly different scale, Legion is still in a close enough weight class to 40k that most Warhammer terrain will work. Suspect that was the plan...
23 minutes ago, Thraug said:Really? Armada hasn't received a 6x3 mat and the game is ~2.5 years old.
Runewars doesn't have a 6x3 mat. FFG only makes 3x3 mats. They currently make a variety of space themed ones under the Star Wars banner as well as the grasslands one under the more generic FFG Supplies banner. For X-Wing, you use a single 3x3. For X-Wing Epic and Armada, you use two 3x3's next to each other. For Runewars, you use two of the 3x3 grasslands mats next to each other.
I'm expecting to see a 3x3 desert/sand mat shortly before or maybe right after Legion releases. The grasslands mat released right around when the Runewars core box dropped without advance notice. It just showed up one day.
11 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:I would think that ffg official tournaments may very well need to be played on ffg mats.
This is unlikely. The tournament rules will probably just specify a 6x3 area and then describe how much terrain is needed and how it is placed. The mats are just super convenient because they're flat, they give a nice surface for rolling dice without damaging anything and eliminate the need to mark off a 6x3 area.
If you don't mind the look of it, you can go down to your local DIY home improvement store and in the flooring department you can buy astro-turf and green or blue outdoor carpet. They sell it in 12 foot as well as 6 foot widths and you can have them cut it to 3 or 4 feet and you are done. You might even be lucky enough to find a piece that was mis-cut or from the end of a previous roll for a discount. (When there is 6 feet or less left on a roll they consider it scrap and mark it down and replace the roll with a new one.)
I much prefer to play on mats. When populated with nicely made and painted terrain they look and play excellently, without the hard abrasive surface you find on textured tables.
4 hours ago, Ghostofman said:The one that's already available and just currently branded for runewars?
Yeah, I did consider the runewars mat.... but play mats are not cheap, and I can only justify buying a mat once. So I want to wait and see what they put out for Legion before I spend the money.
http://www.tablewar.com.au/6x3-grassy-plains-2-f-a-t-mat-gaming-mat/
Is the correct size 3 x 6 and just a little less $ to help the budget. This is the AU site and the UK&EU and US sites link from this in the top right of the page.
I am thinking of making Kashyyyk or Scarif themed maps to start with. Depending on how easy/hard this turns out to be.
The FAT mats get really good reviews all over the net. The youtubes that review the kickstarter are old and now the mats come with a quality carry bag with tag.
6 hours ago, Megatronrex said:I'm pretty sure it's 3x3. The only official one I know of is this one https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/runewars-miniatures-game/products/grassy-field-playmat/
Derp. 3x3. Buy two, put them together.
That's how you do Armada with FFG mats.
12 minutes ago, Timinater said:I am thinking of making Kashyyyk or Scarif themed maps to start with. Depending on how easy/hard this turns out to be.
/HK-47 voice
Observation: Kashyyyk shorelines and Scarif shorelines are visually identical except for the native tree species and the style of local architecture. If you didn't have to rely on such low resolution organic optical sensors the similarities would have been obvious.
/Seriously
If you make the base material/table/mat/whatever correctly you can probably reuse it and smaller terrain like bushes and such for both. So essentially you just need palms, bunkers, and depots for Scarif, and wood huts and big trees for Kashyyyk. So you don't really have to decide which to make, just which to make first...
On 11/12/2017 at 6:04 PM, Andreu said:Mats will happen sooner or later, they are kinda necessary for the tournament scene but for home/shop play I totally recommend a textured/painted wargaming table for the immersion. There are tutorials out there showing how easy this can be done and definitely cheaper than an official FFG mat. Don't get me wrong cause I love X-Wing mats. Is just that for this game they will look "bad".
I have been to dozens of GW tournaments. None of them have had mats. Legion is very much an "actual" terrain game like warhammer rather than "a play on a flat surface and pretend there is terrain" like Warmachine or Battletech.
I think a mat might be useful to put underneath terrain, but I hope to play at stores with modeled tables.
6 hours ago, Hrathen said:I have been to dozens of GW tournaments. None of them have had mats. Legion is very much an "actual" terrain game like warhammer rather than "a play on a flat surface and pretend there is terrain" like Warmachine or Battletech.
I think a mat might be useful to put underneath terrain, but I hope to play at stores with modeled tables.
I share your feelings but seeing runewars I believe this is the most likely scenario and more reasonable to hold tournaments actually.