Trying to work our a fun way to use maul came up with this. Maul and Farlander has been discussed enough so self evident, gone with Norra and Ezra since have to use Ezra and seems like a fairly sensible way to utilize him. Wookies are to keep these jousters alive a bit longer

B-Wing: · Keyan Farlander (29)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Collision Detector (0)
B-Wing/E2 (1)
· Maul (3)
Auzituck Gunship: · Lowhhrick (28)
· Selflessness (1)
Wookiee Commandos (1)
ARC-170: · Norra Wexley (29)
Push The Limit (3)
M4-D6 (1)
· Ezra Bridger (3)
Alliance Overhaul (0)
-- TOTAL ------- 100p. --

2 hours ago, Belphegor07 said:

ARC-170: · Norra Wexley (29)
Push The Limit (3)
M4-D6 (1)
· Ezra Bridger (3)
Alliance Overhaul (0)

I’m pretty sure you meant R4-D6. That droid on Norra will shut down her target locks and her pilot ability, expecially combined with stress from PtL.

Out of the ARC-170’s, I think you’re better off with Braylen in a list like this.

I'm nervous about B-Wings. One issue with Keyan/Maul is that his actions become weaker. He doesn't really need focus, and he won't always want to Barrel Roll. Maul+Ezra seems strong on an Auzituck, however. You can reroll a die, use Ezra, and still pull a green if you don't hit. Such a Lowhhrick would be 35 points, and always able to Reinforce. This would allow a more common crew like Kyle Katarn on Norra, perhaps also R2-D2 (39 points total). Hrm. Add a standard Stresshog and that seems fairly nasty.

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• 100 points
• Norra Wexley (39) ARC-170 (29), R2-D2 (4), Push the Limit (3), Kyle Katarn (3), Alliance Overhaul (0)
• Lowhhrick (35) Auzituck Gunship (28), Selflessness (1), Ezra Bridger (3), Baze Malbus (3)
• Gold Squadron Pilot (26) Y-Wing (18), BTL-A4 Y-Wing (0), R3-A2 (2), Twin Laser Turret (6)

54 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

I'm nervous about B-Wings. One issue with Keyan/Maul is that his actions become weaker.

No one is saying the B-wing isn’t fragile. I’m betting @Belphegor07 picked Lowhhrick and Selflessness with the B-wing’s vulnerability in mind.

You definitely missing the point of this Farlander build. The only thing better than a ship with action efficency is a ship that doesn’t need its actions. Maul eliminates the need for a target lock, Farlander eliminates the need for an offensive focus. If Farlander gets into a position that a barrel roll isn’t necessary, then he can afford to focus for defense. That’s never bad. The only real issue with this build is doing a red maneuver will turn off Maul’s rerolls, but Farlander will still be able to clear the stress as long as the red move gets him a shot.

2 hours ago, jmswood said:

No one is saying the B-wing isn’t fragile. I’m betting @Belphegor07 picked Lowhhrick and Selflessness with the B-wing’s vulnerability in mind.

You definitely missing the point of this Farlander build. The only thing better than a ship with action efficency is a ship that doesn’t need its actions. Maul eliminates the need for a target lock, Farlander eliminates the need for an offensive focus. If Farlander gets into a position that a barrel roll isn’t necessary, then he can afford to focus for defense. That’s never bad. The only real issue with this build is doing a red maneuver will turn off Maul’s rerolls, but Farlander will still be able to clear the stress as long as the red move gets him a shot.

I'm not missing the point of the Keyan. I just don't like it.

Two rerolls + Focus + Maul-or-Green each turn is a think Keyan can do, and I guess it's nifty, but it's still a B-Wing. Meanwhile Norra is somewhat awkward, since she won't have regen, and if she ever triggers R4-D6 after a PTL, she'll be double-stressed and won't be able to take the TL+Focus she needs. R3-A2 + Ezra on Braylen could work, but that's leaving a lot of points off the table and I don't see a great way to spend them.

I feel like I should walk that back a bit; it was a little snarky.

I don't really like Maul on a B-Wing, since Maul isn't a great source of rerolls, and B-Wings already have some pretty good reroll sources. A stress for to reroll a single die is kind of weak, and it doesn't work if you're already stressed. Fire Control Systems is free target locks for full rerolls regardless of stress, if you can maintain arc. Linked Batteries is a single reroll on all primary attacks without any conditions. Either of these is 2 points, Maul is 3 (plus 1 for the /E2 mod). Maul also acts as a source of stress, which can sometimes be hard to generate for the few effects where you actually want it. However, I just don't think it's necessary.

Consider: for the same cost as E2+Maul, you could get E2+Hera+Linked Batteries, which will grant a single reroll at all times, and you'll be able to pull red moves while stressed, which greatly opens the B-Wing dial, and Keyan will have a stack of stress to use as offensive focus. Alternately, Keyan with just Rage has better rerolls than Maul, and still has a defensive focus (not that it's high value on a B-Wing).

I just think there are better options for Maul than a B-Wing, and better options for a B-Wing than Maul.

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Where Maul has the potential to do well is where a ship doesn't have easy access to rerolls. That's partly why he's unlikely to be in many non-epic Scum lists. Scum ships can take Dengar or K4 Security Droid for the same cost, have fewer restrictions, and better rerolls. There are a few ships which can benefit from the former Darth, however. Auzitucks are a great example. No Target Lock for Push the Limit. No systems slot or cannon slot for FCS or LB. A Kashyyyk Defender or Lowhhrick either won't have an Elite upgrade for Predator, or would rather spend the upgrade on something else (Selflessness or Draw Their Fire, for example). They also have a high-value action to take in Reinforce, and can carry Ezra* along in the same ship. This is kinda like the perfect storm for Maul.

Something else cute occured to me: Wullffwarro with Wired, Ezra, and Maul. A Liberator probably attacks too late (Wullff probably does too...) to get much use out of the defensive rerolls, but Wired is cool. Roll Hit/Blank/Eye. Reroll the Blank with Maul. If it's a hit, great--Ezra the original focus. If Maul rerolls into a focus, Ezra that one, and reroll your other focus with Wired. Cute, but Crack Shot is probably better, now that I think about it. Only a Cassian U-Wing could Wired/Ezra/Maul and have more than 1 green die baseline...

*Let's face it: Ezra is not very good. Having to put Ezra on a different ship, or worse actually fly a ship, is likely a disadvantage to a list. There's a reason he hasn't really appeared in many strong-ish squads. He'll combo well with Maul, but on his own, he's just awkward. Which is surprisingly in-character for Ezra.

@theBitterFig You seem intent on molding this list into some kind of ideal. I never said any of this was ideal. I was just giving recommendations that didn’t totally alter the identity of the original list.

You don’t have to like B-wings. You don’t have to like Maul in any capacity. The title of the post and the composition of the list are clearly focused on a specific pilot and crew. You’re probably barking up the wrong tree by making recommendations that don’t include it.

14 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

I'm nervous about B-Wings. One issue with Keyan/Maul is that his actions become weaker. He doesn't really need focus, and he won't always want to Barrel Roll. Maul+Ezra seems strong on an Auzituck, however. You can reroll a die, use Ezra, and still pull a green if you don't hit. Such a Lowhhrick would be 35 points, and always able to Reinforce. This would allow a more common crew like Kyle Katarn on Norra, perhaps also R2-D2 (39 points total). Hrm. Add a standard Stresshog and that seems fairly nasty.

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• 100 points
• Norra Wexley (39) ARC-170 (29), R2-D2 (4), Push the Limit (3), Kyle Katarn (3), Alliance Overhaul (0)
• Lowhhrick (35) Auzituck Gunship (28), Selflessness (1), Ezra Bridger (3), Baze Malbus (3)
• Gold Squadron Pilot (26) Y-Wing (18), BTL-A4 Y-Wing (0), R3-A2 (2), Twin Laser Turret (6)

Ohhh i like this i will have to try it out!!