I know that in the core set they give you about 400-500 points worth of figures on each side; but a full army is 800. Could we see this number rise to something like 1000? How big of armies do you want to play with? I personally think that they should go up a little bit from 800 and then it would be perfect.

I believe there are limits and mandatory unit requirements. So before we can really say, we'll need to see that army structure chart and see how that interacts with unit costs, effectiveness, and so on. Likewise how big you can go will have similar constraints. You can only cram so much into an Army chart before you just can't spend points on anything else...

If you are playing with friends, there is no reason at all you cant go to whatever points limit you want.

5 minutes ago, VAYASAN said:

If you are playing with friends, there is no reason at all you cant go to whatever points limit you want.

^this

30 minutes ago, Ghostofman said:

I believe there are limits and mandatory unit requirements. So before we can really say, we'll need to see that army structure chart and see how that interacts with unit costs, effectiveness, and so on. Likewise how big you can go will have similar constraints. You can only cram so much into an Army chart before you just can't spend points on anything else...

Doing a quick head calculation 1500-2000 is about the upper limit of that force chart. Any more than that and you're simply smashing the same full lists againt one another.

If the do "cinematic" models ala xwing epic the skys the limit. I dont see an at at being cheap........

1 hour ago, JackD2204 said:

I know that in the core set they give you about 400-500 points worth of figures on each side; but a full army is 800. Could we see this number rise to something like 1000? How big of armies do you want to play with? I personally think that they should go up a little bit from 800 and then it would be perfect.

The rumor is that once some more content is released, the recommended point limit will likely increase from 800 to 1000. Of course, it's hard to say when (or even if) that will happen.

1 hour ago, Ghostofman said:

I believe there are limits and mandatory unit requirements. So before we can really say, we'll need to see that army structure chart and see how that interacts with unit costs, effectiveness, and so on. Likewise how big you can go will have similar constraints. You can only cram so much into an Army chart before you just can't spend points on anything else...

I posted a picture of the force organization chart. If I recall correctly, it's a screen-cap from a Gen Con video.

40 minutes ago, VAYASAN said:

If you are playing with friends, there is no reason at all you cant go to whatever points limit you want.

Except that the force organization and mission cards are balanced for certain point limits. You could certainly change the numbers but it might allow people to make unbalanced lists. Right now, if you want six Corps units (for claiming objectives) you have to make sacrifices in other areas that hit a bit harder. That balance could go out of whack with extra big forces (or the missions may just get to be too easy or hard).

At 800 points probably 30-40 models per side.

11 minutes ago, GreatMazinkaiser said:

At 800 points probably 30-40 models per side.

Depends on how you want to build it. It's possible ( although questionable in effectiveness) to build 800 points in around 15-20 models.

2 hours ago, JackD2204 said:

I know that in the core set they give you about 400-500 points worth of figures on each side; but a full army is 800. Could we see this number rise to something like 1000? How big of armies do you want to play with? I personally think that they should go up a little bit from 800 and then it would be perfect.

Armada went from 300 to 400 once it reached wave 1 or 2, so who knows what may happen.

As long as the mission objectives remain relevant I think changing points values could be fun.

So the actual maximum of Models in 800 pts. is 39 imperial models (vader + 6 Stormtrooper units including extra Trooper/DLT-19 Stormtrooper + 1 unit Speeder bikes) and 40 rebel models (Luke + 6 Rebel Trooper units including each one additional Trooper and one Z-6 Trooper + 3 AT- RT models). This is just the maximum of models, not comparing the actual strength of that lists.

Could there be a problem how the activation system scales with more units?

1 hour ago, Hannes Solo said:

Could there be a problem how the activation system scales with more units?

1-2 commanders.

Probably not, although it will make upgrades like commlinks and battle meditation even more important.... man

I think this depends very much on how these upgrades exactly work. If you can't order any units without line of command, can't they be activated in this turn? Or can only units within Range of Command take orders from the special orders from the Initiativ step?

But every blast weapon will be very happy about such close formations.

16 minutes ago, Alearis said:

I think this depends very much on how these upgrades exactly work. If you can't order any units without line of command, can't they be activated in this turn? Or can only units within Range of Command take orders from the special orders from the Initiativ step?

But every blast weapon will be very happy about such close formations.

They can be activated, but it goes in a random pool as opposed to players choice for commanded units. The more variety/ higher number of units you have on the table without commander orders, the less likely you are to have them activate when you need them too without careful list building.

It appears to be an interesting system, as it has powerful impact from list building to army setup and tactics.

16 hours ago, Amanal said:

Armada went from 300 to 400 once it reached wave 1 or 2, so who knows what may happen.

Armada was always intended to be that size, but due to issues getting new models out they started out with a lower point value and raised it to what they intended to.

Don't count on Legion going past 800 points. I mean it could happen, but if that was the plan they would've said something. Because we knew before Armada was released that they were going to increase the amount of points as the waves were released.

5 minutes ago, VanorDM said:

Armada was always intended to be that size, but due to issues getting new models out they started out with a lower point value and raised it to what they intended to.

Don't count on Legion going past 800 points. I mean it could happen, but if that was the plan they would've said something. Because we knew before Armada was released that they were going to increase the amount of points as the waves were released.

But in the TC GenCon demo (I think it was that one) Alex did mention 1000 points. And we don't have the rules, yet. So I wouldn't take 800 to be a set in stone number either. The truth is that for all we know about the game, we actually know very little at this point.

4 minutes ago, Basylle said:

But in the TC GenCon demo (I think it was that one) Alex did mention 1000 points. And we don't have the rules, yet. So I wouldn't take 800 to be a set in stone number either. The truth is that for all we know about the game, we actually know very little at this point.

In subsequent interviews and the atst intro they have said or indicated 800 several times

Going in the other direction, I think 400 on a 3x3 mat will be great for tournament scale -- keep the game fast-paced and short.

Just now, Ralgon said:

In subsequent interviews and the atst intro they have said 800.

Yep, completely right. My point was more that we don't know that they won't change it once more units are available.

1 minute ago, Hawkstrike said:

Going in the other direction, I think 400 on a 3x3 mat will be great for tournament scale -- keep the game fast-paced and short.

The problem with that is it eliminates a lot of possibilities. Vader is half your list, AT-ST is half your list... but you need three trooper units. Uh, oh.

1 minute ago, Basylle said:

The problem with that is it eliminates a lot of possibilities. Vader is half your list, AT-ST is half your list... but you need three trooper units. Uh, oh.

Exactly. You have to make hard choices. Though it will need some cheaper commanders.

1 minute ago, Hawkstrike said:

Exactly. You have to make hard choices.

I'm fine with hard choices. Completely eliminating units from consideration seems odd.

5 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:

Exactly. You have to make hard choices. Though it will need some cheaper commanders.

Have you looked at what exactly will fit in 800 points? As i've said elsewhere, if you choose it can be done on sub 20 models

Edit: i'd expect with experienced players a match would struggle to hit 3 hrs

4 minutes ago, Ralgon said:

Have you looked at what exactly will fit in 800 points? As i've said elsewhere, if you choose it can be done on sub 20 models

Edit: i'd expect with experienced players a match would struggle to hit 3 hrs

I'm looking for more like 60-90 minutes. One of my gripes about Armada is that it takes too long.

2 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:

I'm looking for more like 60-90 minutes. One of my gripes about Armada is that it takes too long.

Funny you should mention, as i was just digging around in the runewars tournament rules. Guess what? 90 min rounds. I'd expect legion comp play to be the same

2 minutes ago, Ralgon said:

Funny you should mention, as i was just digging around in the runewars tournament rules. Guess what? 90 min rounds. I'd expect legion comp play to be the same

That would be good news for me, if Legion turns out to be the same (assuming setup times are quick).