1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:It it confirmed that it was the same SuperTactical Droid in Rebels?

I guess it could be based on the Planet in question, but I havn't done that research myself.

Yh I’m pretty sure his name was said. And also

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kalani_(super_tactical_droid)

*bows*

Indeed. I had missed the point about Dooku ordering them to Agamar.

And of course, Agamar is exactly where the Rebels crew find him. That was stated in the Episode (although his name is not used again in Rebels, only in the Clone Wars...)

It has been far too long since I saw those episodes.

Thank you, everyone, for Educating me.

I completely stand corrected, and happy!

3 hours ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

robot admiral, racist Asian alien admiral, and spider admiral.

So, robot and spider admiral make sense... But who on earth is “racist Asian alien admiral?” The only other admirals I can think of are Neimoidians...

Given where Rebels left things with Kalani, I actually think an officer/commander card would make perfect sense.

1 hour ago, The Jabbawookie said:

So, robot and spider admiral make sense... But who on earth is “racist Asian alien admiral?” The only other admirals I can think of are Neimoidians...

Yeah. That's them. Nute Gunray. Won't go much further with it, but it comes across as a caricature of Asian speaking stereotypes. I wasn't a fan.

4 minutes ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

Yeah. That's them. Nute Gunray. Won't go much further with it, but it comes across as a caricature of Asian speaking stereotypes. I wasn't a fan.

Nut Gunray sounds like he should of been an Aquaman villan.

Speaking for myself, I have less than zero interest in clone wars era craft. Would not even buy them for the upgrades like I do with existing releases. I would rather see TFA era resistance and first order.

I'm happy if precedent is followed and these clone wars relics are presented as old equipment in the hands of modern factions. It is a bit surprising to see ARC-170s in the hands of the rebellion (there are pics of these fighters in imperial livery), but they are also presented as an exception (only unique pilots).

Vwings and venators I'd expect in the hands of the empire as old gear, but not decommissioned yet. Vwings, maybe in the hands of the rebellion. But certainly the separatists have more cause to join the rebellion than hang with the empire, and any holdouts would be too fragmented otherwise to pose much of a threat in Armada.

I wouldn't mind seeing imperial Venators and Alliance Recusants in the game.

9 minutes ago, Norsehound said:

I'm happy if precedent is followed and these clone wars relics are presented as old equipment in the hands of modern factions. It is a bit surprising to see ARC-170s in the hands of the rebellion (there are pics of these fighters in imperial livery), but they are also presented as an exception (only unique pilots).

Vwings and venators I'd expect in the hands of the empire as old gear, but not decommissioned yet. Vwings, maybe in the hands of the rebellion. But certainly the separatists have more cause to join the rebellion than hang with the empire, and any holdouts would be too fragmented otherwise to pose much of a threat in Armada.

I wouldn't mind seeing imperial Venators and Alliance Recusants in the game.

I don't get this. Why would Separatists who seceded from the Republic, and fought a war against the Republic, join the Alliance to restore the Republic?

I'd imagine some former CIS equipment holders would rather join the larger opposition force than side with the Republic under a different name.

Cis equipment wouldn't be just from former CIS crews, either. They could be salvaged or stolen craft that the alliance managed to acquire. Unless the empire actively sought out and destroyed every CIS ship out there... There's a ton of war surplus that was deactivated in mid-operation ready to be found and repurposed.

I can see Rebels getting their hands on some CIS salvage without too much trouble. I just don't see groups of Separatists rushing to the cause of the Alliance after basically spending years fighting against that cause.

Remember that the Separatists are either “hive” species who were quickly oppressed or outright slaughtered by the pro-human Empire or to a lesser degree humans who were punished (at least in the EU, Darth Vader made sure many within the aristocracy of Serrano met a bloody fate.) One could draw some parallels to the Allies during WWII. The CIS is Russia: their enemies discriminate against them and are on the attack, so they form an alliance with a coalition with opposing political views in the name of necessity.

Norse Hound, I wouldn't change a word! I think the Separatists would have joined the Rebellion, but have been more like Garm Bel Iblis in that they would only have been loosely attached.

Bear in mind, it's also up to the disposition of individual cells. You're going to have holdouts who stay until the bitter end, holdouts that just gave up with no central leadership, and some holdouts that realize, for their world, it's better to join the nascent rebellion and keep fighting than give up or go it alone. Rebels shows us that there were plenty of loose, unconnected resistance cells strung across the galaxy fighting for planetary freedoms. Some Holders probably did this, got outside aid from other cells, and then suddenly they are the Rebel alliance.

Whether they stayed on after the Rebellion declared its intent to restore the republic or not is up for debate, but any CIS effort for independence would go a lot further serving the Rebellion than waiting to be crushed by the Empire.

10 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Remember that the Separatists are either “hive” species who were quickly oppressed or outright slaughtered by the pro-human Empire or to a lesser degree humans who were punished (at least in the EU, Darth Vader made sure many within the aristocracy of Serrano met a bloody fate.) One could draw some parallels to the Allies during WWII. The CIS is Russia: their enemies discriminate against them and are on the attack, so they form an alliance with a coalition with opposing political views in the name of necessity.

I don't say this very often, because I'm a stubborn a**, but you've managed to change my opinion. This is a very well thought out argument. I found the World War 2 parallel very convincing. Well done.

Woah. Thanks.

I completely overlooked the humanocentric angle to the war. CIS and the Rebellion have large alien contingents vs the pro-human Republic and Galactic Empire. Interesting!

1 hour ago, Norsehound said:

I completely overlooked the humanocentric angle to the war. CIS and the Rebellion have large alien contingents vs the pro-human Republic and Galactic Empire. Interesting!

Interestingly, that is (quickly) mentioned in Thrawn, as it is being explained to the titular being ...

The perception of the Clone Wars, was there were a lot of aliens in the Separatist movement. Although there were some species who were allies with the republic, and they “did alright”, the perception is Humans shouldered most of the Burden , which bred initial resentment to those separatist aliens, which basically followed through to All-Non-Humans, and then even Humans who are not part of the Core Worlds.

The growing anti-alien tendencies of both the Republic and later the Empire and even to some extent in the New Republic are explained in depth in the EU. For example it was a big rift within the Republic Senate that some thought that Palpatine rather defends planets with mostly human population and allows the Separatists to exploit nonhuman planets.

I think that the CIS and Republic should be added as their own factions, and alternate waves with the OT factions. This would draw the release schedule for both factions out and help stretch the life of the game and the remaining OT and eventually ST Era ships.

Gozantis, Arqs, and Peltas already have official models and stats to start development from which would jump start things a bit, especially on the 3D model side. There's also enough squadron options to be their own factions, unlike the ST factions as of now, with only seven squads between the two.

If they are separate we could also see campaign boxes for the PT era, which would be a little different as it was a more conventional type war. We might also still get ship cards to use the Venator or Rescant classes in Imperial or Rebel fleets in a later campaign box.

The CIS and Republic should be added as 2 new factions for the game. As to the objections, remember that a 3rd faction was introduced in X-Wing after 6 waves of only 2 factions.

I always pop into these threads and on Reddit to announce that I have no interest in Clone Wars ships. I know a few people that do, but get the impression that more people are interested in First order/Resistance expansions. The clone wars era of merchandising was a shameless cash grab of merchandising and thankfully is over and has been replaced with the Disney era. Which is arguably no better.

I worry that if we do see multiple eras, we will weaken the influx of new players due to needing to buy a dozen ships you never use, just to get the upgrade cards. I already have cards from 6 ships I will never run.

I tell myself someday that I'll run my rebel ships. I still want to get them, but I've been an empire player for most of the lifespan of this game.

I can tell you that I'm a player who is more interested in First Order ships than Republic ones.

I kind of would like to see more factions in Armada (and in Legion). I'll just go with my opinion of each option and the goods and bads I can see.

1. My favorite but again trying to get more factions balanced out is difficult especially like X-wing Armada was only designed with 2 factions in mind, and we have seen all the problems new factions coming in first being the underdog then rushed into over dominating.
2. The question would be who gets what since we have seen the CR-90 in service of the Republic but it doesn't make any sense to give Rebels all the Republic stuff any more than it does to give Imperials CIS stuff, neither would visa verse.
3. A separate game runs the risk of splitting the player base, we already seen that being done a little with Imperial Assault and legion (it would be interesting to see how those two games play out).

Me personally I would like to see a Clone Wars Starter set with Republic vs CIS and maybe also after Episode 9 a TFA Core set with Resistance vs 1st Order. Then add those factions as playable in Star Wars Armada. But that is just my opinion. I would also like to see some campaign integration with Star Wars Legion where you have space battles and ground battles as well. Honestly I think it will be much easier to make Clone Wars factions for Legion than OT Factions.

5 hours ago, ktflory said:

I always pop into these threads and on Reddit to announce that I have no interest in Clone Wars ships. I know a few people that do, but get the impression that more people are interested in First order/Resistance expansions. The clone wars era of merchandising was a shameless cash grab of merchandising and thankfully is over and has been replaced with the Disney era. Which is arguably no better.

I worry that if we do see multiple eras, we will weaken the influx of new players due to needing to buy a dozen ships you never use, just to get the upgrade cards. I already have cards from 6 ships I will never run.

I’m really hoping we don’t get sequel expansions, because they feel like reskins of the OT ships, because they are, because... Disney. I fully expect sequels will get released sooner or later, though. As for CW upgrades: just don’t put ‘em in there. Just go titles, commanders, officers and aces. Or use the same upgrades with new artwork. Or include extra Rebel and Imperial titles in the packs, so they work with two factions. It’s not like we don’t already have plenty of Clone Wars ships in the game.

Ideally I'd see them introduce one or more of the post-Endor splinter factions aka the Imperial Warlords. These made use of Clone Wars era stuff extensively. This allows Clone Wars era ships to become part of armada and still make sense, rather than time-travelling CIS or Republic fleets, and doesn't detract from the Rebel and Imperial visual style by allowing them to use those ships.