2 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

Well then I'm happy to know I'm still enough of a small fish around here to escape notice as a "pillar of the community" (which honestly I'm not sad about and is justified anyway). To answer your question in another way, yes we've broken net zero. That's not really enough, and I think you do know why, but you've locked yourself into a devil's advocate position

I don’t disagree, that it’s not enough.

But I also am positing what IS at this point.

I hate being devils advocate.

I think I’m Just cranky.

also, apparently, you can only mass message like 6 people st a time, and I only assumed they did more than the single message,

all I know is I flipped out and then deleted it.

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

My point being, if they dropped a MC75 article tomorrow, would that be “enough”, or would the complaints continue?

What is “enough”... is there even an “enough” now?

I speak from my own enjoyment of the game. I get that people are not happy, and are choosing to rightfully express it...

But I do get concerned with excessive negativity. Negativity that is expressed here in a permanent format that, itself, can damage the long term reputation of the game.

Because we all well know that a situation will draw a dozen complaints, but a rectification of that situation will get a single acknowledgement... This IS the internet after all...

At what point can I acknowledge people’s right to complain - but at the same time, at what point can I admit that I feel that bit has been said and now people are just harping on it rather than waiting for a resolution - and inevitably, to acknowledge that people will never be satisfied with a solution even when it starts to be presented.

For example: The complaint was no communication... We now have SOME communication, but that’s not good enough. Some is better than none, especially when none is the normal....

Hence my question.

Look, in the end, Im tired. I ran YET Another tournament today where even numbers turned up, so I could not play... Given those circumstances - the negativity here is getting to me.

Heck, there was a massed message thrown towards a bunch of “pillars of the community” that expressed absolute doom and gloom as inside knowledge. From, of course, effectively a ghost account...

I just feel my right to enjoy the game is being kicked to the curb because a bunch of people are not happy... And a bunch of people being loudly unhappy are going to turn away people at face value before they even get a chance to enjoy ANY of the positives of the game, now OR in the future.

Or, you know, ignore me. I am bitter, tired and worn out.

I want to have fun. But my friends are either having fun without me, or in the online case, not having fun with the thing I want to...

So what am I to do?

Nah, i'm with you. A lot of the "I want articles" complaints seem based around the fact that X-wing has gotten several "Here's how to build a starter fleet" articles, but we haven't seen anything like that (not that we want it, mind you....). Most of the articles on the home page ARE previews of things, not just X-wing related ones. I imagine a lot of the anger is coming from people who only play Armada, so it's a binary problem.

IF [article about armada] THEN [read article] ELSE [massive complaints]

What started in the "Article Thread" about "another X-wing/Legion/Destiny etc article" as a joke became NOT a joke somehow, womp. There IS a LOT of anger being bandied around on the forums, and I'm not sure what to do about it, sadly. And you're right, if we did get a preview article, I'm sure someone will be on here complaining that X is overpriced, Y isn't good, the MC75 is junk because new thing, blah blah blah. Only way I can immediately see to counter negativity is through making my own "positive" thread. Which, i'm off to go do. I think we all as a community need to acknowledge that while we can get disappointed when things don't break for us as we want them to, it's still a great game with great friends and a great time.

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

At what point can I acknowledge people’s right to complain - but at the same time, at what point can I admit that I feel that bit has been said and now people are just harping on it rather than waiting for a resolution - and inevitably, to acknowledge that people will never be satisfied with a solution even when it starts to be presented.

I think we've hit that point, and anyone complaining should be called out on it. We're generally pretty self-policing (Nelson....) here, and we'll call people out when they start being doom and gloom.

Also, im quite interested in this email you speak of with inside knowledge. What happened now?

Someone else will have to quote it, as I deleted it in abject fury and disgust.

22 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

I don’t disagree, that it’s not enough.

But I also am positing what IS at this point.

I hate being devils advocate.

I think I’m Just cranky.

also, apparently, you can only mass message like 6 people st a time, and I only assumed they did more than the single message,

all I know is I flipped out and then deleted it.

I would be satisfied and downright happy if FFG would make more of an effort to communicate with the Armada player base here on their own forums. Whether that be in the form of preview articles, strategy articles, articles about anything really, or through a thread on this forum.

I want to be perfectly clear I am not down on Armada or its current state I think it's in a better position than it has been throughout my play experience. I'm not down on FFG as a company. I think they make some of the most excellent games out there and not just Armada, although it is the best. I'm not even upset about the delays. I can't say I'm happy about them, but I understand that these things happen. I do think that their public relations department, if such a thing exists, sucks at least in regards to Armada.

I really want to know what was in that message that got you so upset.

Just now, Megatronrex said:

I really want to know what was in that message that got you so upset.

Secret wave 7 info, all you had to do was transfer half your bank account to a Nigerian prince?

Just now, geek19 said:

Secret wave 7 info, all you had to do was transfer half your bank account to a Nigerian prince?

Mines overdrawn. That would have been helpful.

7 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Secret wave 7 info, all you had to do was transfer half your bank account to a Nigerian prince?

wait, is that sarcastic? He TOLD me he knew things!

<logs into bank account frantically to stop transfer>

26 minutes ago, geek19 said:

It's still a great game with great friends and a great time.

It is still a great game and a great time. I drove up to Greenville, SC for the first time yesterday and had great fun in my first match with @Megatronrex and nine other folks all committed to the game. And I think that is the case for all of us worried about the game state. We all care, probably too much for our own good, and that's why we're expressing our disappointment and our concern. I have no doubt that I will be giving my Armada collection to my grandkids (after the intervening 50ish years between here and there), and I am certain the game will be just as great then as it is today. In the meantime however, I want the game to keep growing and the community to keep expanding, and FFG's neglect of us is helping neither of those objectives.

6 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

I would be satisfied and downright happy if FFG would make more of an effort to communicate with the Armada player base here on their own forums. Whether that be in the form of preview articles, strategy articles, articles about anything really, or through a thread on this forum.

I want to be perfectly clear I am not down on Armada or its current state I think it's in a better position than it has been throughout my play experience. I'm not down on FFG as a company. I think they make some of the most excellent games out there and not just Armada, although it is the best. I'm not even upset about the delays. I can't say I'm happy about them, but I understand that these things happen. I do think that their public relations department, if such a thing exists, sucks at least in regards to Armada.

I really want to know what was in that message that got you so upset.

This is the TL;DR of my longer post. All the thumbs up.

3 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Secret wave 7 info, all you had to do was transfer half your bank account to a Nigerian prince?

You must have a better credit score than me or something, I was quoted at 75%.

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

Mines overdrawn. That would have been helpful.

1 minute ago, moodswing5537 said:

wait, is that sarcastic? He TOLD me he knew things!

<logs into bank account frantically to stop transfer>

Because i try to keep it PG-13, just be glad I didn't make a joke about turning your "GR75" into an "HMC80" with some new pills.

19 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

I would be satisfied and downright happy if FFG would make more of an effort to communicate with the Armada player base here on their own forums. Whether that be in the form of preview articles, strategy articles, articles about anything really, or through a thread on this forum.

I want to be perfectly clear I am not down on Armada or its current state I think it's in a better position than it has been throughout my play experience. I'm not down on FFG as a company. I think they make some of the most excellent games out there and not just Armada, although it is the best. I'm not even upset about the delays. I can't say I'm happy about them, but I understand that these things happen. I do think that their public relations department, if such a thing exists, sucks at least in regards to Armada.

I really want to know what was in that message that got you so upset.

Honestly, Dras, I am in complete agreement with Mega's statements. My "enough" is communication from the company developing the products we as a community bust our collective arses to play , support, and h e l l , most of the time SELL! I'm not doing this in a negative manner, I feel. I am simply using a medium in a way in which it was made for. To express displeasure with how a company treats it's customers.

I do the same thing when my cable glitches on certain channels, or a feature of my car goes on the fritz. EVER time those things happen, the cable company tries to up sell me to another service instead of re-instating the channel or feature I already paid for, or the car manufacture gleefully tells me that their other model "has an improved version of that feature and MORE!" That is how I feel about FFG right now. Frustration is not negative, per se, but it can get emotional.

5 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Because i try to keep it PG-13, just be glad I didn't make a joke about turning your "GR75" into an "HMC80" with some new pills.

After four hours should I take it to the nearest shipyard? #Sorrynotsorry

7 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

After four hours should I take it to the nearest shipyard? #Sorrynotsorry

nope, after 4 hours....RAMMING SPEED!

#alsosorrynotsorry

In a way if you think about it the complaints about the lack of communication aren't necessarily a bad thing. Maybe it's a problem that can be resolved quickly and easily now at this point before it becomes a major issue. I mean I've only seen one or two people post that they were even considering leaving Armada over it. And I know I certainly don't want to discourage anybody from playing. But I am scared that if FFG doesn't start saying something soon, then more people will walk away, and none of us want that.

@Drasnighta if I was a regular player at your tournaments I would be ashamed of myself for not stepping up to TO so that you could get to play in a tournament. I know how you feel about sitting instead of you making someone else take a bye, but at some point if it's a consistent thing where you're not getting to play and nobody else is willing to fill in, then rather than have it suck the joy out of it for you, it's timeto institute a bye.

As you say, not intending to do it in a negative manner... but what if it is taken that way? What if it does more damage to the reputation of the game than FFGs lack of communication is doing on its own?

Thst is what is concerning me, I guess.

Its bumming me the **** out for one, at least... because I respect you guys, and I pay attention to what is being said- because you deserve no less...

But at some point, I need to point out it’s killing MY fun, MY enjoyment, and as much as I respect you guys, I can only hope it is reciprocated - and I guess, lately, on the forums as a whole, I really feel like my feelings on the matter are largely irrelevant by din of shouting. ?

But, I guess, such is he fate of minority opinions on open forums with anonymous faces, eh?

At least I find a little sardonic irony in that ?

1 minute ago, GiledPallaeon said:

After four hours should I take it to the nearest shipyard? #Sorrynotsorry

Bad actress comes on

"Imperial Star Destroyers been getting you down? Try new Defiance Brand pills! They're not addictive, but they sure will seem like it! They'll help you reroute whatever turbolaser circuits aren't working in your head and give you the enhanced armament you'll need to bring your own heavy turbolasers! You'll be leading shots with your overload pulse all NIGHT! You'll watch our medical team give you the boosted comms to rapid launch bay your b-wings over and over again. Watch as your girl/fishgirl goes from Mon Mothma to Moa-"

AND THUS I WAS PERMABANNED. BANNED FOREVER.

2 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

In a way if you think about it the complaints about the lack of communication aren't necessarily a bad thing. Maybe it's a problem that can be resolved quickly and easily now at this point before it becomes a major issue. I mean I've only seen one or two people post that they were even considering leaving Armada over it. And I know I certainly don't want to discourage anybody from playing. But I am scared that if FFG doesn't start saying something soon, then more people will walk away, and none of us want that.

@Drasnighta if I was a regular player at your tournaments I would be ashamed of myself for not stepping up to TO so that you could get to play in a tournament. I know how you feel about sitting instead of you making someone else take a bye, but at some point if it's a consistent thing where you're not getting to play and nobody else is willing to fill in, then rather than have it suck the joy out of it for you, it's timeto institute a bye.

As said, it’s not so much they don’t want to - it’s a matter of they legally can’t so much, because of the situation that lead to me being ultimately responsible.

Just now, Drasnighta said:

As said, it’s not so much they don’t want to - it’s a matter of they legally can’t so much, because of the situation that lead to me being ultimately responsible.

I feel for you man. I know in my own tournaments I would rather be the one sitting than someone else. I'm lucky enough to get in a lot of games in between the tournaments I host and there are several other people who hosts regular events in my area. In your shoes I would have to institute a bye. As far as the legality of someone else hosting your tournament goes, I will speak to the emperor and see what he can do to "make it legal".

Geek19, that is the greatest armada ad I have ever read, thank you for the laugh.

Dras, I haven't been on here for very long (almost a year!) but I always enjoy reading the topics you've responded to. How you manage to keep sane in your responses and still sprinkle in wit and humor is beyond me.
The majority of the online community isn't looking for a scapegoat to watch our game burn, we'd just like a pat on the head every now and again that's sooner than once every 6ish months.

Some folks may want to be greedy and ask for every 2-3 months, but I'd doubt they could even create that much content for that. But what I consider happy acceptance, others think is extreme or to lax. Everybody's different, you can't please everybody no matter what you do or say.

Forgive me, but this topic has gotten away from my since I last responded. Dras has asked a very legitimate question: what will be satisfactory? (paraphrasing, here). I wanted to take a little while to really establish what I'd like to see.

Will another next-wave preview article be enough? no, but it will be a good first step.

I'd be satisfied with two more articles in the next two months that aren't wave previews (ie: a reveal of the longer-view vision of the game or an interview with the current showrunner, for example; I think a dev-blog would be a good idea, actually) or an announcement of another non-ship expansion: another campaign, a scenario deck, or something along those lines. Both would be better.

I think a new one-off scenario like "Take the station" every 4 months might be a really goo idea, too.

EDIT: I remember that there was an attempt last year to form a "Informally Agreed Rules Interpretation Council" of sorts where we, as a community, deliberated ambiguous rules and when it was all hashed out were to all agree that that ruling is what we would make as TOs at tournaments. The fact that there were many who felt like this was necessary, on some level, is a problem. As such: I feel like a FAQ after 3 months of a wave release is not unreasonable, even if it means releasing another FAQ 3 months after that - OR - someone from FFG doing round-tables in the forums for a while after a release to get the company and community on the same page, instead of the community debating with itself.

12 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

As you say, not intending to do it in a negative manner... but what if it is taken that way? What if it does more damage to the reputation of the game than FFGs lack of communication is doing on its own?

Thst is what is concerning me, I guess.

Its bumming me the **** out for one, at least... because I respect you guys, and I pay attention to what is being said- because you deserve no less...

But at some point, I need to point out it’s killing MY fun, MY enjoyment, and as much as I respect you guys, I can only hope it is reciprocated - and I guess, lately, on the forums as a whole, I really feel like my feelings on the matter are largely irrelevant by din of shouting. ?

But, I guess, such is he fate of minority opinions on open forums with anonymous faces, eh?

At least I find a little sardonic irony in that ?

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I respect the living h*** out of you and everything you do for this community. I don't think your opinions popular or not should ever be labeled irrelevant. I truly hate to hear that people complaining or voicing their concerns is negatively impacting your fun but I think those complaints and concerns need to be voiced when so many players are clearly a little upset. We're just asking FFG to talk to us now while there's more of us rather than later when there's less of us.

9 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I respect the living h*** out of you and everything you do for this community. I don't think your opinions popular or not should ever be labeled irrelevant. I truly hate to hear that people complaining or voicing their concerns is negatively impacting your fun but I think those complaints and concerns need to be voiced when so many players are clearly a little upset. We're just asking FFG to talk to us now while there's more of us rather than later when there's less of us.

I know.

Its just... I also know I'm going to give up being Positive before others give up being Negative, if that makes sense.

Its disappointing.

But it makes sense.

Which is equally disappointing.

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

I know.

Its just... I also know I'm going to give up being Positive before others give up being Negative, if that makes sense.

Its disappointing.

But it makes sense.

Which is equally disappointing.

If it is any help - you staying positive is keeping me on task/point. You're asking the right questions that end up prompting good responses in many in order for things to stay constructive. Devils advocate is a hard, but necessary role, and don't ever think that I don't appreciate what you're doing and saying.

16 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I respect the living h*** out of you and everything you do for this community. I don't think your opinions popular or not should ever be labeled irrelevant. I truly hate to hear that people complaining or voicing their concerns is negatively impacting your fun but I think those complaints and concerns need to be voiced when so many players are clearly a little upset. We're just asking FFG to talk to us now while there's more of us rather than later when there's less of us.

This.

1 minute ago, FoaS said:

If it is any help - you staying positive is keeping me on task/point. You're asking the right questions that end up prompting good responses in many in order for things to stay constructive. Devils advocate is a hard, but necessary role, and don't ever think that I don't appreciate what you're doing and saying.

And that.

Its the human condition Dras.

Greed, lust and envy are three of the seven sins. Yet no one is going to realise how needy they are being.

You logged out of the group message too soon. Missed me questioning Undeadguys inclusion as one of the big five.

4 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Its the human condition Dras.

Greed, lust and envy are three of the seven sins. Yet no one is going to realise how needy they are being.

You logged out of the group message too soon. Missed me questioning Undeadguys inclusion as one of the big five.

That was funny

Also, if we get articles soonish, I'm going to take full credit --> my whining leads to articles.