The game is a bit stale for me. Need those new ships to reinvigorate.

Just out of curiosity has any one consided serious production problems? Im looking at the MC75. Just looking at it, not a prob to 3D print.....but to cast that could be a real nightmare. Im just taking their casting MO in to consideration here... injection mold, multipart assebly, long thin protusions.

S*** if you asked me to do the following for the profundity:

1. Quote a new mold and process assembly

2. Make said mold

3. Troubleshoot it, make the appropriate adjustments

4. Assemble it

5. Paint it.

6.submit to final customer your 'FINISHED' product

7. Make more changes to satify them, if needed

8. Shedule production, order the raw matierals, account for envitable fallout (maybe upwards of 25%)

9. Pack their bulk order to go through international customs in time to get on a multiweek journey across the pacific. So that was the final buyer has time to make his subsidary distributor ships recive product at once

10. Do all of this in under 4 months.

I dont think we realize what a herculean feat this actually is. If there is a serious production problem, particulary in making the modle can blow pretty little niceities like 'promisory dates' or 'ship by dates' out the window. It would be my educated guess that we are sufrering from the 'Tough s*** rule' of making things (meaning always account for disaster, may not happen but if it dose your covered) not being adhered to by somebody.

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I want new ships for xmas too.......

...and salt in the current open wound. Look MORE Destiny articles. Do FFG actually hate me? Have I not spent enough with them? (Hysterical laughter as the men in white suits knock on the door).

Don't let it defeat us! FIGHT BACK!

WITH MEMES!

27 minutes ago, Snipafist said:

Oh my God I'm dying

1 hour ago, Noosh said:

Just out of curiosity has any one consided serious production problems? Im looking at the MC75. Just looking at it, not a prob to 3D print.....but to cast that could be a real nightmare. Im just taking their casting MO in to consideration here... injection mold, multipart assebly, long thin protusions.

S*** if you asked me to do the following for the profundity:

1. Quote a new mold and process assembly

2. Make said mold

3. Troubleshoot it, make the appropriate adjustments

4. Assemble it

5. Paint it.

6.submit to final customer your 'FINISHED' product

7. Make more changes to satify them, if needed

8. Shedule production, order the raw matierals, account for envitable fallout (maybe upwards of 25%)

9. Pack their bulk order to go through international customs in time to get on a multiweek journey across the pacific. So that was the final buyer has time to make his subsidary distributor ships recive product at once

10. Do all of this in under 4 months.

I dont think we realize what a herculean feat this actually is. If there is a serious production problem, particulary in making the modle can blow pretty little niceities like 'promisory dates' or 'ship by dates' out the window. It would be my educated guess that we are sufrering from the 'Tough s*** rule' of making things (meaning always account for disaster, may not happen but if it dose your covered) not being adhered to by somebody.

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I want new ships for xmas too.......

I don't think anyone expects miracles, but we do expect communication. A simple 'hey, it's been pushed to Q1 of 2018. Here's a preview of a few of the cards!" would go a long way. As it stands, their lack of tangible communication speaks volumes.

That being said, it does rub salt in the wound when they announce another X-wing wave and say "We're gonna release it super quick!" I don't blame them for rushing out a release related to the upcoming movie, but it does leave a sour taste when they push back Armada.

We need to make signs and fly to FFG Headquarters. MAKE ARMADA GREAT AGAIN!

8 minutes ago, TallGiraffe said:

We need to make signs and fly to FFG Headquarters. MAKE ARMADA GREAT AGAIN!

Its not great already?

Sure, the progress is slow.

But as Governor Pryce on "Thrawn" regards, it doesn't matter how long the path takes, as long as the path is the correct one.

7 hours ago, ndogg229 said:

I'm perfectly fine with 1 Wave a year...more and we'll start scrapping the barrel of ships a lot sooner (ie. X-Wing)

There are tons of capital ships from the Legends universe that could be easily reintroduced through Armada. So that argument is simply bunk.

But worse is that one wave a year literally caps the potential growth of Armada to once a year with the exciting introduction of new content. Game stores don't like ordering product that isn't quickly sold, and miniatures don't sell old models until either new players enter the game or old players expand their collections. In both cases, the optimal time to do this is with the introduction of new products.

39 minutes ago, thecactusman17 said:

There are tons of capital ships from the Legends universe that could be easily reintroduced through Armada. So that argument is simply bunk.

But worse is that one wave a year literally caps the potential growth of Armada to once a year with the exciting introduction of new content. Game stores don't like ordering product that isn't quickly sold, and miniatures don't sell old models until either new players enter the game or old players expand their collections. In both cases, the optimal time to do this is with the introduction of new products.

They do semi feel like they're trying to kill the game through attrition. Seems like X-wing is getting a bit of our portion of the production cycle.

3 hours ago, Thrindal said:

You have never seen Rogue One? Could have sworn the MC75 was in that one.

Ummm.. yes. I’m sorry my hyperbole got the best of me. My point is valid though. I don’t want new ships upon new ships as too much too fast is hard to keep up with. It also runs the risk of making obsolete the older ships. I still want to be able to use my X-wings and Neb-Bs etc forever.

I don’t think tons of new ships is an indication of a clear path forward. I think communication and clarification are much more valuable in that regard.

To sum up:

- very excited for mc75 etc.

- lack of new ships isn’t the problem.. much prefer a slow trickle of well designed ships to a flood of junk

- lack of communication is the problem

For me its never been the slow release schedule or the seemingly slower article schedule.

Its been about the lack of transparency or engagement on FFG's part as a company with the community.

From failure to answer simple rules questions to missed releases and OP snafus and lack of support for the community, FFG has treated this community like garbage time and time again.

Even GW is getting better than this.

The sad part is, they used to be much better at this.

3 minutes ago, Eggzavier said:

For me its never been the slow release schedule or the seemingly slower article schedule.

Its been about the lack of transparency or engagement on FFG's part as a company with the community.

From failure to answer simple rules questions to missed releases and OP snafus and lack of support for the community, FFG has treated this community like garbage time and time again.

Even GW is getting better than this.

The sad part is, they used to be much better at this.

don't lie, at worst this is the same level of bad as GW. GW has "improved" the past year or so but I still consider it them being deceptive. I seriously considered going back to 40k for 8th but them separating the factions into collection books instead of the core book only to release the actual codexes shortly thereafter was all i needed realize they're just trying to play nice because they know how bad they've been. I "hope"(first step) that ffg doesn't get that bad.

Definitely not the news I wanted to hear, but 2018 isn't that far off.

My favorite part about new wave releases is seeing how the upgrade cards can revitalize capital ships that see less table time-- hopefully this wave accomplishes that.

Might a lot of this be perspective? Some people are saying "one release a year". Okay that's one way to look at it. Another is that we get a release every 6-8 months.

Honestly if you are able to exhaust all viable combinations of fleets after every new wave long before the next even gets released then good on you. But your problem here isn't that the release schedule is too slow, its that you have more time on your hands than this game can soak up...

So maybe instead of taking the time to come on to the forums to take a bite out of FFG, who has been nothing but spectacular period, maybe focus that time on other endeavours??????

You guys are really starting to come off as crack addicts. ?

I consider myself lucky in that i get to play a fair bit - usually once a week plus a decent store tourney every month or two. I can see the hankering for news and im really looking forward to w7. But by no means would i call the game stale. Still never had a bad or boring game. I still almost always come away from a defeat thinking i could have won with my list if only i had done 'X'

54 minutes ago, SkyCake said:

FFG, who has been nothing but spectacular period

Ok.. let’s not get carried away. FFG could get a tiny bit more involved with the customers via... anything really since it’s been pretty much nothing.

I think news of any kind would pacify the mob even if it’s just ‘hey guys thanks for hanging in there.. we still care about you!’

Look on the bright side: You have to spend less on new stuff.

Seriously though I think it's a real shame that FFG doesn't appreciate one of its most dedicated fanbase enough...

I'm fine with releases occurring less often. Don't want Armada to become Xwing.

Some interaction with the community would be nice though.

25 minutes ago, durandal343 said:

Ok.. let’s not get carried away. FFG could get a tiny bit more involved with the customers via... anything really since it’s been pretty much nothing.

I think news of any kind would pacify the mob even if it’s just ‘hey guys thanks for hanging in there.. we still care about you!’

the "mob"??

it must be me being a non-native speaker. otherwise I would seriously starting to think about the relation between the absolute (expletive) performance of ffg and the absolute constructiveness and good will of this community that you call mob.

3 hours ago, dominosfleet said:

don't lie, at worst this is the same level of bad as GW. GW has "improved" the past year or so but I still consider it them being deceptive. I seriously considered going back to 40k for 8th but them separating the factions into collection books instead of the core book only to release the actual codexes shortly thereafter was all i needed realize they're just trying to play nice because they know how bad they've been. I "hope"(first step) that ffg doesn't get that bad.

The collection books were because major parts of the game changed so drastically that most of the previous army books literally wouldn't work. So instead of forcing everyone to go buy a hastily scrapped together book for their individual force that would immediately become obsolete, they released collections that detailed every legal unit available to the detailed armies. Including several of their collectible Forge World units and even entire factions that hasn't previously been acknowledged as legitimate forces for regular play. The entire game, including previously ignored forces, was rebalanced to a new minimum baseline.

For most people, they only needed to buy one collection book to wait until they got a proper release. This was a major feat given that after the correction release there were something like 30+ factions of individual forces.

20 minutes ago, Belisarius09 said:

I'm fine with releases occurring less often. Don't want Armada to become Xwing.

Some interaction with the community would be nice though.

There's a difference between "less often" and "almost never." Once per year in a competitive game system like this is extremely uncommon. Typically, the games that can excuse this type of issue are designed far more rigidly and without the need for licensed game materials, like chess. And further, they are far more widely played and far more closely observed for balance issues as a result of those designs.

Personally I don't mind one wave per year, but I understand this is very subjective feeling. In my case I don't have that much time to play to get tired of existing meta and can't afford to spend money to buy multiple packs of everything before next wave hits the shelf (not complaining here). I believe Armada is not at the same level of competitiveness as X-wing or basically any card game and many people buys it to play casual games at home.

However I agree that lack of support and communication with community is very disappointing. Some more previous for next waves and articles would be nice. Maybe something written by previous World Champions as per other games? And Leading Game Designer? Also some asymmetrical scenarios with special victory conditions and something which allows to re-create battles from movies. And we could definitely use better campaign system.

Well, one can only dream.

3 hours ago, NebulonB said:

the "mob"??

it must be me being a non-native speaker. otherwise I would seriously starting to think about the relation between the absolute (expletive) performance of ffg and the absolute constructiveness and good will of this community that you call mob.

Having constructive conversation = good

Good will in general = good

Taking lack of communication by a company as a personal offense? = not so good

You exchanged your money for some plastic ships that you get to move around a table. I’m not sure about yours but mine still seem to move around ok. I’ll keep checking every week or so but I’m fairly confident that they will keep doing that for some time.

Look, I understand that it’s frustrating to have companies not do what you want them to do but they have no obligation to us to do anything really. The gam is complete and fun in its current state. I would love for them to keep making Armada stuff for a long time and I think they will but if not... I still have what I paid for. I also think they could be a little more communicative with the community because that would go far towards calming the angst.

The Armada community, for the most part, has been very friendly and reading stuff on the forums has been entertaining and informational for me but people are all grabbing their pitchforks and storming the FFG castle as if they were peasants demanding retribution for centuries of oppression.

It’s an extra nerdy plastic spaceship game! Perspective!

It’s sad if the closed-mouthedness is the harbinger of doom for Armada but hey.. let’s be happy that the game is in a pretty good place! I can pick from almost every ship ever to make a viable fleet.. that’s pretty cool!