2 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

That is an opinion though. I see a group of people passionate about the game I love and it encourages me that the community is still strong.

And of course I ran out of likes at this post. This is exactly how I feel.

4 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

I was referring specifically to the twitter responses we have gotten.

But it doesn't matter.

The negativity is killing me.

I'll just **** off now.

only half of my statements are being read, anyway.

People have every right to complain.

I won't get in the way of that anymore.

Lol but Dras that's the thing, the twitter statement was "Soon™". I don't honestly know what we expect beyond that but it felt very pushed off and more of the same after not even announcing our stuff at Gencon. The community response seems pretty predictable considering we very much feel like second sons to X-wing and now Legion.

Maybe you're right, maybe it's related to the new movie and they don't want to, or can't, release info on it because of the dominion of the mouse but if that's the case then they've set up a situation where they have a near 8 month gap between content, 3 months of which haven't even seen communication. /shrug, it's still not as bad as GW , but it's getting close...

4 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

Lol but Dras that's the thing, the twitter statement was "Soon™". I don't honestly know what we expect beyond that but it felt very pushed off and more of the same after not even announcing our stuff at Gencon. The community response seems pretty predictable considering we very much feel like second sons to X-wing and now Legion.

Maybe you're right, maybe it's related to the new movie and they don't want to, or can't, release info on it because of the dominion of the mouse but if that's the case then they've set up a situation where they have a near 8 month gap between content, 3 months of which haven't even seen communication. /shrug, it's still not as bad as GW , but it's getting close...

Let me posit this, then.

If its so simple, so easy, and so straightforward to have FFG come onto the Forums and make blatant statements...

Why does that not happened in the Favoured Child Games ?

I mean, they're complaining just as much about their own release schedule of articles... Posting multiple threads every week there isn't one.

Why do we expect more than what they get?

Raised these points before about expectations. I really should just walk away.

2 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Let me posit this, then.

If its so simple, so easy, and so straightforward to have FFG come onto the Forums and make blatant statements...

Why does that not happened in the Favoured Child Games ?

I mean, they're complaining just as much about their own release schedule of articles... Posting multiple threads every week there isn't one.

Why do we expect more than what they get?

Dras they literally had an article they accidentally posted on the spanish site then pulled lol. It's clearly a situation they could have addressed but instead " Soon™"

and we post weekly to have something to chat about. if their goal is for us not to post on the forums then all they really have to do is continue to neglect the game...

1 minute ago, dominosfleet said:

Dras they literally had an article they accidentally posted on the spanish site then pulled lol. It's clearly a situation they could have addressed but instead " Soon™"

That makes my point rather than refutes it.

They pulled it. Perhaps because they had to . Not because they "wanted" to.

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

That makes my point rather than refutes it.

They pulled it. Perhaps because they had to . Not because they "wanted" to.

then they could have explained that, it's as easy as "we put something in there we weren't supposed to, sorry, it'll be up sometime in X month". That's not complicated and it's not a lot to ask.

" Soon™"
"we're excited to announce /heat death of the universe"

20 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

"Refusing?" What strides and methods have been taken? From what I can see, the responsiveness and support for Armada have only kept on getting worse since day 1.

And how do we make the situation worse by identifying that, whatever they may have been, they are far from adequate?

The twitter responses. You said 'we need communication' they said 'we're trying' - like Dras pointed out, it may be all they are allowed to say. With that in mind, demanding more when they are prohibited from providing it only makes it seem worse. Rather, accept that they are doing their best (and they ought to be, given that money is at stake), and be patient. A release will come, news will come, and they have acknowledged your demands. Repeating and paraphrasing those demands will not make them re-acknowledge them.

8 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

Yes it's an opinion. I stated that was how I saw it. I'm sorry you see negative stuff that puts you off. But the negative stuff that puts me off is the lack of communication from FFG.

But they have communicated . See above.

5 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

And of course I ran out of likes at this post. This is exactly how I feel.

That is my one issue with FFG. The limit on likes. There are just too many posts that deserve one, and too few to give. . . 'Would that I had more likes to give for my community'.

2 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

then they could have explained that, it's as easy as "we put something in there we weren't supposed to, sorry, it'll be up sometime in X month". That's not complicated and it's not a lot to ask.

" Soon™"

Definitive statements about 'month' sounds to me like something that would break a policy on not making those in places other than official marketing statements.

1 minute ago, dominosfleet said:

then they could have explained that, it's as easy as "we put something in there we weren't supposed to, sorry, it'll be up sometime in X month". That's not complicated and it's not a lot to ask.

" Soon™"
"we're excited to announce /heat death of the universe"

Unless they weren't supposed to acknowledge it. Maybe even saying they can't is a breach.

3 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Unless they weren't supposed to acknowledge it. Maybe even saying they can't is a breach.

Then FFG can rest assured that as people quit their game at least they didn't break their NDA

3 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

You know what this sounds like?

"We Want you to Communicate more!"

::FFG Communicates more::

" YOUR COMMUNICATION MADE THINGS WORSE!!!"

I'll admit that it does readily sound as such. Perhaps I should state that I would like for them to openly communicate basic details with their community.

To quote my annoying college communication class, "one cannot not communicate." They are communicating that Armada is not a priority or that they don't care.

There was no news offered at GenCon - a participant had to ask questions to get "Something big is coming" and "no campaign boxes planned"
We get a wave announcement - we had to ask to find out it was delayed from what I assume is their social media coordinator.
We had a major rules question right before their Nations at Nova - we still don't have a FAQ on that.

All of this would not be that big of a deal, if their other established games systems didn't sometimes get more articles in a month than Armada gets in an entire year or we could get a Dev to periodically weigh in on their thoughts regarding the state of Armada.

For me at least, what it boils down to is that I have seen this response from other companies before. And every time it never ended well for the game or the company culture as a whole. While there is a lot of negativity going on, most of it is constructive criticism and not mindless ranting. Which is a pleasant break from most other online communities. Some people are obviously dipping into flippant negativity, but the situation really is becoming hilariously bad from a PR standpoint.

I don't think they are killing off Armada and I do (from my limited knowledge) think IA has it worse, but they are neglecting it and I think it is going to hurt the community, if not the game. New releases bring in new players, especially when the models are tied to a TV series that is now in its last season. Perhaps they truly think Armada is in such a great state that they don't need to give it any attention, but I think that would be a costly mistake.

3 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

Then FFG can rest assured that as people quit their game at least they didn't break their NDA

And that may be a plus, to them.

Think of it: if breaking the NDA means losing the Star Wars license, then what would you do? Break it in favor of some thousand Armada players, or keep it and save IA, X-Wing, Destiny, Legion, and whatever other games they have? If the NDA is the issue, then ALL their Star Wars games are at stake, not just Armada.

I can wait for wave 7 and all related media. I was disappointed at first, but I'm not mad at FFG over that; they've done a good job with the actual expansions (from what I can see), and weird stuff happens. What bugs me is that they have stuff they absolutely could be doing. What about an FAQ? What about a strategy article or two about stuff that's already out? What if they chose to errata Tagge so he didn't suck ? Do NDAs block those somehow? I'm glad they Tweeted. But it's not a replacement for actual content on their site.

1 minute ago, The Jabbawookie said:

What bugs me is that they have stuff they absolutely could be doing.

What about an FAQ?

What about a strategy article or two about stuff that's already out?

What if they chose to errata Tagge so he didn't suck ? Do NDAs block those somehow?

All GREAT points.

Just now, dominosfleet said:

All GREAT points.

What if all of those are being worked on right now , but the actual desire to work is being completely demoralised out of the employees involved because people are continually complaining about how bad they've got it, and these people are individually doing their best ?

Because for one, that's how *I* feel, and I'm not even employed by them.

7 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

What if all of those are being worked on right now , but the actual desire to work is being completely demoralised out of the employees involved because people are continually complaining about how bad they've got it, and these people are individually doing their best ?

Because for one, that's how *I* feel, and I'm not even employed by them.

The thing that always frustrated me as GW was going through it's own end times were the apologists. Yes GW might have been doing a lot of wrongs but clearly we just didn't see it. clearly it was the player bases fault for not supporting the(soon to be booted) CEO's vision.

Dras you're one of my favorite people on the forums but you're in a spot where you're coming off as defending an indefensible position. People are going to complain, especially over lack of content, that's not an excuse to not support your product through FAQ's. Maybe you'll make the suggestion that "no one owes anyone anything" and that's absolutely true, but it goes both ways. the same way FFG doesn't owe it's player base content the players don't owe FFG money. FFG needs to earn it's players patronage, they're not currently and that's why people are upset.

Here's my problem:

I continually accept the fact that FFG isn't perhaps doing everything they can.

But the "other side" doesn't appear willing to accept the possible fact that perhaps they ARE , based on the constraints that they have through "Policy".

That's why my position is defending the indefensible.

But like I said.

Damage is done.

I'll go now, from this thread. For good.

Just to clarify: I have a great deal of respect and gratitude for FFG providing us with awesome plastic spaceships for an awesome, immersive game that we are lucky to have. But wave 7 isn't the heart of the problem; the thread title is a bit broader than that. Maybe they are doing everything they can with that one release. But one has to look at the track record, too. Do you really expect them to release a new article when they don't happen to have a new product coming out? I don't think they've ever done that before. Not once. It's not about blaming individuals or trying to make some PR guy cry. It doesn't have to be immediate. This is about a lack of content in general. Voicing discontent on as large a scale as we can is one of the best ways to make a company understand there is a problem. And if it takes them a full year to try to loosen up their policy, well, all the more reason to get started now.

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

The fundamental assumption is that they are actually free to tell us, and these things are not otherwise tied to timelines outside of their control. And they are choosing to not.

What if it is mandated that the article drops only when a specific shipping milestone is released? What if that is upper-management stated and cannot be changed by the people on the ground?

What if they can't wait because they legitimately can't wait until that milestone hits and they are authorised to do so?

But it would cost someone their job to do it beforehand (as it would be a breach of an internal NDA to do so)...

We are getting close to the point where we need to go after ffg the way people went after EA. Apparently that’s the only way these companies hear their consumers.

An NDA doesnt stop the following article:

"Due to events out of our control we have had to delay our expected armada release. In the meantime, we'd like to share some of our lists/strategies as well as advice from recent tournament winner XXXX: enter that article here. Conclude with, we have exciting news coming in the near future, but we cant share it just yet, until then we look forward to hearing from you!" (its kinda obvious to me now that wave 8 is likely First order/resistance stuff, but they obviously cant release that news till after December 14th.)

That's an article, its not a great article, but its communication, its something. The industry I work in lives on rapid PR response and open communication, even when there's nothing to say, either because of confidentiality, or a simple lack of information. Its a lost cause, but NOT responding is always WORSE in the long run.

HOWEVER, its too late now, any response now is going to result in further complaints because of how long they waited. They didn't respond to the criticism quickly and communicate soon enough, so any good will it WOULD have garnered has been spent, its really kinda what Dras was saying, and hes right, even if he doesn't want to be, anything FFG does now, barring a legitimate wave/miniatures release, is too little, too late for the larger part of the community.

Rather than reply on twitter, they needed to reply here or with an article, or, at least, respond on twitter AND here.

That is corporate PR 101. Honestly, FFG needs to be glad they are a tiny speck in Disneys eye, if they were as big as EA, they would have gotten the same call EA got over Battlefront 2 and the public backlash.

10 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

We are getting close to the point where we need to go after ffg the way people went after EA. Apparently that’s the only way these companies hear their consumers.

I am appalled that you consider FFG is as bad as EA.

Just now, TallGiraffe said:

I am appalled that you consider FFG is as bad as EA.

I'm with you on that. That's a really harsh comparison. I mean, I get it but still: harsh, dude.

4 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

We are getting close to the point where we need to go after ffg the way people went after EA. Apparently that’s the only way these companies hear their consumers.

It seems like when EA does something right, people just move on to the next thing to hate. FFG doesn't rip us off; they make good products and are pretty fair overall. It's important to remember that.

delays happen, just be happy it wont be like Gale Force Nine had with the Cardassians and Ferengi expansions for Star Trek Ascendancy, over a year late.

While i am not happy and had high hopes to have had Thrawn in my hands before Christmas il get over it and play the game all the same. if the game died and stopped being printed id still play it with my friends all the same. Chill out, enjoy the game and Radious and Thrawn will be appearing in no time